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There goes the Goshen News breaking stories again. Well, it was the first I'd seen of it anyway.

Purdue athletic director Mike Bobinski is looking to change that. He has stated the importance of the rivalry on several occasions, and in an interview with CNHI Sports Indiana, Bobinski said he's had "pretty advanced" talks with Notre Dame administrators about resuming the football series.

"There's a little time that will elapse before it comes back to fruition," Bobinski said. "I feel very good about that resuming and it resuming in a pretty substantive way for a good chunk of years when we get into the 20s. That's moving along very well."
 
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http://www.goshennews.com/sports/lo...cle_940f5006-0b40-5b38-b555-c5a330181ca4.html

There goes the Goshen News breaking stories again. Well, it was the first I'd seen of it anyway.

Purdue athletic director Mike Bobinski is looking to change that. He has stated the importance of the rivalry on several occasions, and in an interview with CNHI Sports Indiana, Bobinski said he's had "pretty advanced" talks with Notre Dame administrators about resuming the football series.

"There's a little time that will elapse before it comes back to fruition," Bobinski said. "I feel very good about that resuming and it resuming in a pretty substantive way for a good chunk of years when we get into the 20s. That's moving along very well."
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They are on the schedule for 20, 21, 24, 25, and 26 unofficially.
 
our conference schedule may change by then. W are expected to add 2 more teams. to create a 16 team conference, I would suspect we have 7 games against West teams, and maybe only 1 game against East teams and 4 non-conference games once more. Dependent of who we add Iowa St, Pitt, OK and OK St , Kentucky and Tennessee, Missouri, or dump ( Rutgers and Maryland), I suspect Purdue will join Indiana in the same division. I suspect by 2020, there will be several major conference shake-ups; i.e dissolving of the BIG 12. and the creation of a new NCAA Div ! with 64 teams within the SEC, PAC 12, ACC and BIG 10 all being 16 team power conferences with a very logical post season tournament for all sports.
 
Wolegib said:
our conference schedule may change by then. W are expected to add 2 more teams. to create a 16 team conference, I would suspect we have 7 games against West teams, and maybe only 1 game against East teams and 4 non-conference games once more. Dependent of who we add Iowa St, Pitt, OK and OK St , Kentucky and Tennessee, Missouri, or dump ( Rutgers and Maryland), I suspect Purdue will join Indiana in the same division. I suspect by 2020, there will be several major conference shake-ups; i.e dissolving of the BIG 12. and the creation of a new NCAA Div ! with 64 teams within the SEC, PAC 12, ACC and BIG 10 all being 16 team power conferences with a very logical post season tournament for all sports.
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Here are the Universities and Colleges that are a part of the AAU and could join the B1G (Nebraska lost their status but was previously a long standing AAU member):

Georgia Tech (ACC)
Iowa State (Big 12)
Colorado (Pac 12)
Kansas (Big 12)
Missouri (SEC)
Pittsburgh (ACC)
Texas (Big 12)
Virginia (ACC)
Vanderbilt (SEC)

These would be the more likely additions if any were to come to the B1G when realignment occurs. I did not include UNC or Duke for the simple matter they go as the other goes...and I can't see the B1G wanting to add both at the same time. My best guess is the conference looks to add either two to the West or two to the East and then push Purdue/Indiana in either direction.
Most likely: Adding two teams from the East/South East like Pitt and Georgia Tech. Pitt would be great to add to give PSU an actual rival and Georgia Tech opens up the Atlanta market that the SEC has a strangle hold on right now.

Dream: Add Kansas and Texas and create an absolute monster of a basketball conference while also adding one of the premier football programs in Texas. Kansas could use the larger conference money to increase competitiveness as well. If the B1G wants to expand AND keep its current members happy by not decreasing revenue in...adding Texas seems the way to go as long as they agree to do away with the stupid Longhorn Network that is only being kept afloat by ESPN.
 
multiple sources through the past 5 years. Some by media speculating, and some by BIG 10 commissioner press conferences. . ND AD said they turned down a long standing BIG 10 offer when they joined the ACC. a lot of rumors swirled when the BIG 12 was about to collapse that Texas would join the BIG 10. A lot of BIG 12 teams do not like the revenue split of the Texas/BIG 12 network. Missouri has been considered for inclusion multiple times. I'm not sure they like the SEC. here has been a lot of discussion - mostly by the media of creating 4 16 team super conferences. As part of that creation, I would suspect the SEC and ACC would each do a shake-up. I could envision Maryland and Rutgers going back to the ACC, and maybe the ACC adding Georgia, Florida, and West Virginia. I could see the SEC adding Texas, Ok and Ok St. I could see the BIG 10 adding Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St and Pitt, maybe Kentucky. and Vanderbilt is kind of a BIG 10 type of school. Maybe in a big power shift ND, would decide to give up the ACC and their independent football status and join the BIG 10. The BIG 10 is a more viable conference for their football, basketball and hockey and women's sports teams than the ACC. nothing new or written as definite.
 
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multiple sources through the past 5 years. Some by media speculating, and some by BIG 10 commissioner press conferences. . ND AD said they turned down a long standing BIG 10 offer when they joined the ACC. a lot of rumors swirled when the BIG 12 was about to collapse that Texas would join the BIG 10. A lot of BIG 12 teams do not like the revenue split of the Texas/BIG 12 network. Missouri has been considered for inclusion multiple times. I'm not sure they like the SEC. here has been a lot of discussion - mostly by the media of creating 4 16 team super conferences. As part of that creation, I would suspect the SEC and ACC would each do a shake-up. I could envision Maryland and Rutgers going back to the ACC, and maybe the ACC adding Georgia, Florida, and West Virginia. I could see the SEC adding Texas, Ok and Ok St. I could see the BIG 10 adding Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St and Pitt, maybe Kentucky. and Vanderbilt is kind of a BIG 10 type of school. Maybe in a big power shift ND, would decide to give up the ACC and their independent football status and join the BIG 10. The BIG 10 is a more viable conference for their football, basketball and hockey and women's sports teams than the ACC. nothing new or written as definite.
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I think it is possible but I wouldn't say it is "expected" at this point. Notre Dame will likely never humble themselves to join. Texas doesn't make sense geographically. Missouri may have been a candidate for 12, 13, or 14 but it doesn't mean that they will be a candidate for 15 or 16 as both the Big Ten and Missouri are in different places now.

In short, I'm not sure it's coming anytime soon, if at all. It's a little more complicated than playing a game of Monopoly and some of the teams you're talking about (Kansas State, Iowa State, Pitt) would never happen. I sure wouldn't plan future schedules around the possibility of a 16-team conference. If it were to happen, we could adjust just like we did when the Big Ten went to 9 conference games from 8.
 
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I think it is possible but I wouldn't say it is "expected" at this point. Notre Dame will likely never humble themselves to join. Texas doesn't make sense geographically. Missouri may have been a candidate for 12, 13, or 14 but it doesn't mean that they will be a candidate for 15 or 16 as both the Big Ten and Missouri are in different places now.

In short, I'm not sure it's coming anytime soon, if at all. It's a little more complicated than playing a game of Monopoly and some of the teams you're talking about (Kansas State, Iowa State, Pitt) would never happen. I sure wouldn't plan future schedules around the possibility of a 16-team conference. If it were to happen, we could adjust just like we did when the Big Ten went to 9 conference games from 8.
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This. I do think we add a couple of AAU schools in the early 20's (UVA and UNC still my best guesses) but that's no reason to not schedule ND. I want ND on our schedule. I'm not sure they want us.
 
JMHO...screw'em, they dropped us like a bad date... move on and get a home and home with another Power Five school in Fla, TX or Ca!
 
Back in the 1970s, some sports writer tallied up Notre Dame's "most played opponent" in all sports combined (hoops, golf, tennis, etc). It was Purdue by a country mile and it was something like three times for frequency of # 2, which I think was Michigan State but can't remember for sure.

That's probably still true.
 
If we play them in Indy once even 3-or-4 years, fine. Otherwise, we don't need the L given how tough our conference is...
 
We can all care or not care but it appears that Bobinski cares so we're probably going to see as much of them as he can schedule.
 
Regarding expansion I would rather they add four to create two nine team divisions leaving 8 games and 1 crossover game in football and a 17 game BIG basketball schedule. From the list they can make their run at any of the teams on the list including a last shot at ND if they wish but I would doubt any SEC team could or would leave...
 
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Regarding expansion I would rather they add four to create two nine team divisions leaving 8 games and 1 crossover game in football and a 17 game BIG basketball schedule. From the list they can make their run at any of the teams on the list including a last shot at ND if they wish but I would doubt any SEC team could or would leave...
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If we truly went with 16 teams, i suspect we would go with 4 pods. Our pod would probably IU, IL, and NW, who we'd play every year. Then we would rotate between the other three pods every year. That way we would play every team every 3 years.
 
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our conference schedule may change by then. W are expected to add 2 more teams. to create a 16 team conference, I would suspect we have 7 games against West teams, and maybe only 1 game against East teams and 4 non-conference games once more. Dependent of who we add Iowa St, Pitt, OK and OK St , Kentucky and Tennessee, Missouri, or dump ( Rutgers and Maryland), I suspect Purdue will join Indiana in the same division. I suspect by 2020, there will be several major conference shake-ups; i.e dissolving of the BIG 12. and the creation of a new NCAA Div ! with 64 teams within the SEC, PAC 12, ACC and BIG 10 all being 16 team power conferences with a very logical post season tournament for all sports.
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what the hell are you smoking, Iowa St and pitt aren't ever joining the B1G in its current form, I doubt OK and Ok St both join at the same time, and UK, UT, and Mizzou have no reason to leave the SEC.
 
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If we truly went with 16 teams, i suspect we would go with 4 pods. Our pod would probably IU, IL, and NW, who we'd play every year. Then we would rotate between the other three pods every year. That way we would play every team every 3 years.
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thats way too weak of a pod. I'll have to go digging around with my pod design off the top of my head it was similar to the NFL, you play each team in your pod once (3 games), 1 rotating pod each team once (4 games), and 1 protected rivalry game in each pod (2 games). 9 games with 6 teams that you play every year (3 pod members 3 rivalry games) and 3 rotating (non rivalry rotating pod).
 
I don't smoke . the BIG 10 is comprised primarily of state schools with the exception of Northwestern. If we were to expand, I believe we would look to additional state schools, just like we added Rutgers and Maryland. If the BIG 12 were to dissolve, I am quite sure their schools would look to join the most lucrative conference. We already have Iowa, how hard is it to imagine Iowa St wanting to join the BIG 10? if the BIG 10 were to add teas from the BIG 12, I could see Oklahoma and OK State as a package deal wanting to join the BIG 10. The SEC is a nice conference, however, the BIG 10 with the BIG 10 network is a lot more lucrative. if Missouri was interested in the bottom line, the y could see their chances of winning any championship in the SEC are nil, and an 8-4 season in the BIG 10 would be a lot more profitable. Missouri petitioned for inclusion in the BIG 10 before. In a massive shake-up and creation of 4 mega conferences, I could see Missouri joining the BIG 10. As for Pitt, they have been discussed before as a potential school. As I said, I don't smoke and all of these school names have been brought up before by media and conference people.
 
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I don't smoke . the BIG 10 is comprised primarily of state schools with the exception of Northwestern. If we were to expand, I believe we would look to additional state schools, just like we added Rutgers and Maryland. If the BIG 12 were to dissolve, I am quite sure their schools would look to join the most lucrative conference. We already have Iowa, how hard is it to imagine Iowa St wanting to join the BIG 10? if the BIG 10 were to add teas from the BIG 12, I could see Oklahoma and OK State as a package deal wanting to join the BIG 10. The SEC is a nice conference, however, the BIG 10 with the BIG 10 network is a lot more lucrative. if Missouri was interested in the bottom line, the y could see their chances of winning any championship in the SEC are nil, and an 8-4 season in the BIG 10 would be a lot more profitable. Missouri petitioned for inclusion in the BIG 10 before. In a massive shake-up and creation of 4 mega conferences, I could see Missouri joining the BIG 10. As for Pitt, they have been discussed before as a potential school. As I said, I don't smoke and all of these school names have been brought up before by media and conference people.
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There is literally no reason to add Pitt or Iowa St! It would be like adding ball state it adds nothing to the TV dollars the only school we would grab in a state already represented by a big ten team is notre Dame because it's a national brand. OU and ok St are way too small of a state to add both. We would be much more likely to add Kansas than both those schools together. If the big 12 dies the big ten would want ou/Texas/Kansas. But honestly the big ten wants Virginia and Georgia Tech or unc. Maybe Clemson I don't know their academic background.

The big ten strategy is about making money not winning games. Rutgers gives us NJ and New York, Maryland gives us Baltimore and the greater DC area.

Texas is in a large state, national brand, and blue blood in football, ku is in a medium to small state, national brand, and basketball Blue blood, our is similar to Kansas but football Blue blood. OK st and Iowa state are the Cincinnati of big 12 realignment.
 
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Yes yes yes. the BIG 10 would want Texas. So would the SEC ad PAC 12. And yes, Iowa St would add little revenue to the BIG 10 and yes, Georgia tech would add a lot more. But......... if yo u were going to dissolve the BIG 12, and create 4 super conferences BIG 16, PAC 16, ACC 16 and SEC 16 or BIG 20 etc, you would have to make some concessions. the BIG 10 can't end up with all the best teams. look at it as a fantasy lottery draft. Texas and the 2 Oklahoma schools would head to either the PAC 16 or SEC 16. The BIG 16 would send Rutgers and Maryland and maybe Penn St packing back to the ACC 16. Let the ACC also have UCONN and Florida. The BIG 16 could then claim ND, Kansas Iowa St and maybe Pitt, Missouri, Tennessee and Kentucky .

Rather than looking at it from a BIG 10 perspective, look at it from an NCAA chairman's perspective trying to create four equal regional super conferences. You could also align your NCAA tournament using only these four conferences. You'd have an East, South, North and West. Rather than sending Duke to play in the West regional, you have the super conferences battle for their own conference and regional championships. and then have those 4 champions form your final 4. I'm sorry to George Mason and Butler and all the small schools of the world. But there is always somebody left out anyway. Let them battle it out in their own FCS tournament for smaller schools. States have 3-5 different levels for high schools. The NCAA needs to add a few more levels.
 
Things to consider regarding expansion: the NCAA will have little say on what happens, I doubt that geographical swapping between conferences occurs, UNC is not leaving without NCS and Duke and I doubt OU and OSU would split either, while Texas and ND are the plums you have deep resentment of Texas and Nebraska to consider! If I were a betting man Texas is more likely to consider SEC first, then BIG and finally the PAC in order. IF 16 is the magic number look at Kansas and either GT, UVA to make travel partners fit into the BIG!
 
Don't know the specifics of voting in the SEC but if the landscape of the Power 5 Conferences changes I doubt 1 vote would be enough to stop Texas joining the SEC if they decided they needed to expand!
 
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look at it as a fantasy lottery draft.

Rather than looking at it from a BIG 10 perspective, look at it from an NCAA chairman's perspective trying to create four equal regional super conferences.
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I think that is your problem. It is not a draft of any sort. The Big Ten and SEC would have by far the most power in attracting additional schools and schools like Texas, ND, UNC, and Virginia will be able to choose where they want to go. Iowa State and Pitt will be praying for anyone to take them and the Big Ten would not expand at all before adding either. I think there are dynamics in play here that you are missing.
 
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Why so much hatred about adding Iowa St ? We need to stop adding the Penn States and Nebraskas of the world, and start adding some teams we can beat! I do like the addition of Rutgers, as do probably the all of the other ADs of the BIG 10 schools. Rutgers was a very wise and popular choice.
 
It's not hatred, it's just never going to happen. ISU has no national brand, no big fanbase, no new market, no TV sets, no BBall or FBall blueblood, no other sport that they excel at, they're not MIT or Harvard, they don't bring anything we don't already have. Unless we go to 20+ schools, ISU won't be included in any expansion plans.

Expansion 101, Rule #1; you don't add schools (in modern day expansion) who are already in a market you completely own. See: ISU, PITT, Cincy, etc. ND would be the only exception to this rule due to them being, well, ND.

The powers of the B1G want to add behemoth fanbases, century-old bluebloods, huge new markets, prestigious academic and athletic programs, State flagships in new states, etc etc. Not schools Purdue can beat at football. BIG NATIONAL BRANDS, or BIG GIANT NEW MARKETS (see: Rutgers)

Here's a big thread on expansion we just did a few weeks ago. Chock full of info, etc. I have lots of thoughts in there that I don't feel like retyping.

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/b1g-expansion-thought.106534/

IMO, and in most others, the BXII will be where we get our next members. Start thinking KU, OU, TX (KU & OU supposedly already been in past talks/vetting about moving as duo). Expansion from the SEC or ACC (bc of new GOR) are both HIGHLY unlikely (altho talks of VA/NC schools were a focus for a while - and whom both the SEC and B1G would love to add - they are most likely off the table for the next couple decades).

OU & TX are the only two true FBall bluebloods who will be available for expansion...maybe ever again (ND would be nice, but F them). They will be a focus, and KU will be the BBall blueblood contiguous bridge.
 
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It's not hatred, it's just never going to happen. ISU has no national brand, no big fanbase, no new market, no TV sets, no BBall or FBall blueblood, no other sport that they excel at, they're not MIT or Harvard, they don't bring anything we don't already have. Unless we go to 20+ schools, ISU won't be included in any expansion plans.

Expansion 101, Rule #1; you don't add schools (in modern day expansion) who are already in a market you completely own. See: ISU, PITT, Cincy, etc. ND would be the only exception to this rule due to them being, well, ND.

The powers of the B1G want to add behemoth fanbases, century-old bluebloods, huge new markets, prestigious academic and athletic programs, State flagships in new states, etc etc. Not schools Purdue can beat at football. BIG NATIONAL BRANDS, or BIG GIANT NEW MARKETS (see: Rutgers)

Here's a big thread on expansion we just did a few weeks ago. Chock full of info, etc. I have lots of thoughts in there that I don't feel like retyping.

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/b1g-expansion-thought.106534/

IMO, and in most others, the BXII will be where we get our next members. Start thinking KU, OU, TX (KU & OU supposedly already been in past talks/vetting about moving as duo). Expansion from the SEC or ACC (bc of new GOR) are both HIGHLY unlikely (altho talks of VA/NC schools were a focus for a while - and whom both the SEC and B1G would love to add - they are most likely off the table for the next couple decades).

OU & TX are the only two true FBall bluebloods who will be available for expansion...maybe ever again (ND would be nice, but F them). They will be a focus, and KU will be the BBall blueblood contiguous bridge.
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I'd love the B1G to grab OU and KU and leave Texas behind! I'm sure they miss Nebraska.
 
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Yes yes yes. the BIG 10 would want Texas. So would the SEC ad PAC 12. And yes, Iowa St would add little revenue to the BIG 10 and yes, Georgia tech would add a lot more. But......... if yo u were going to dissolve the BIG 12, and create 4 super conferences BIG 16, PAC 16, ACC 16 and SEC 16 or BIG 20 etc, you would have to make some concessions. the BIG 10 can't end up with all the best teams. look at it as a fantasy lottery draft. Texas and the 2 Oklahoma schools would head to either the PAC 16 or SEC 16. The BIG 16 would send Rutgers and Maryland and maybe Penn St packing back to the ACC 16. Let the ACC also have UCONN and Florida. The BIG 16 could then claim ND, Kansas Iowa St and maybe Pitt, Missouri, Tennessee and Kentucky .

Rather than looking at it from a BIG 10 perspective, look at it from an NCAA chairman's perspective trying to create four equal regional super conferences. You could also align your NCAA tournament using only these four conferences. You'd have an East, South, North and West. Rather than sending Duke to play in the West regional, you have the super conferences battle for their own conference and regional championships. and then have those 4 champions form your final 4. I'm sorry to George Mason and Butler and all the small schools of the world. But there is always somebody left out anyway. Let them battle it out in their own FCS tournament for smaller schools. States have 3-5 different levels for high schools. The NCAA needs to add a few more levels.
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Rather than looking at it from an NCAA chairman's perspective, look at it like a school president would. The best, cleanest "national" solution isn't preferable for each individual conference.

Iowa state literally brings nothing to the table for the b10. It doesn't grow the pie so b10 would rather stand pat at 14. No reason to add just to add.

Also the b10 isn't dropping Rutgers or Maryland. I think your plan is way too much of a fantasy in order to get things to line up nicely. But it's not realistic.

What is realistic is the b12 collapsing and b10 cherry picks strong academic/athletic schools in new states. Really only options are Oklahoma, Texas, and Kansas. And I'm not sure interest from either side is strong enough for Texas to be realistic.

The b10 has the most alumni, best athletic programs, best academic schools, and the most money of any conference. We can afford to wait and be picky.
 
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Don't know the specifics of voting in the SEC but if the landscape of the Power 5 Conferences changes I doubt 1 vote would be enough to stop Texas joining the SEC if they decided they needed to expand!
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There is a "Gentlemens' Agreement" among the presidents of Florida, UGA, South Carolina, Kentucky and Texas A&M to vote as a block against the entry of another school from any of those states. This agreement is made to prevent the entry of FSU, Ga Tech, Clemson, Louisville and U of Texas, respectively. The Longhorns will not be joining the SEC.
 
If and when the next round of expansion happens I'll believe it when I see it... the SEC will NOT be left behind if the Big 12 implodes!
 
Ok, sorry for going on that tangent. I read somewhere that despite a losing record, Purdue still owned the most victories against Notre Dame. That was mostly due to the amount of games we played. But if you like to brag, you don't need to talk about the second part of that statement.
 
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