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Not ranked in the ESPN post decision top 25

Maybe they are more objective and realistic than we are. Simply stated, this team has a lot of question marks. We will have many early season chances to prove the ratings wrong, or prove them right.
 
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Lot of question marks? We return 4 starters from a 27 win team, one of them is the only player nationally returning with 1000 pts, 500 rebounds, 300 assists and 100 made 3-pointers. We're senior dominated. I see this as definitely a top 25 team.
 
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boombaby14 said:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...s-top-college-basketball-way-too-early-top-25

Doesn't really mean anything just thought I'd share. Not really unexpected after biggie left, plus I kind of like flying under the radar gives the guys on the roster a bit of a chip on their shoulder.
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There is no excuse to leave this team out of the top 25. They return 4 starters and replace Biggie with Haas, who had some really impressive stats for the amount of playing time he received. Get back Taylor and add one of the top Juco players to the roster as well as Haarms who already has a semester. The people keeping Purdue out of the top 25 preseason never watched Purdue and did it completely based on Biggie leaving. That is a mistake. I expect them to be the 15-25th best team (although they are going to get jobbed by rankings like they always do). I expect some issues early figuring out the rotations and getting the new players acclimated. If Carsen makes a big improvement and the new players contribute at a high level, there shouldn't be much of a drop off from last year.
 
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I would be surprised and disappointed if we're not top 25 by the end of the year. Lot of weapons on this team. Agree with Stick on Carsen. If he takes a good step forward, we are tough.
 
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TopSecretBoiler said:
I would be surprised and disappointed if we're not top 25 by the end of the year. Lot of weapons on this team. Agree with Stick on Carsen. If he takes a good step forward, we are tough.
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I'll be disappointed if we are not in the Top 25 to start the season. Purdue has been ranked in 38 consecutive AP polls, good for the 7th longest streak nationally and 2nd longest in Purdue history. I'd hate to see lazy voters keep that streak from continuing.
 
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TopSecretBoiler said:
I would be surprised and disappointed if we're not top 25 by the end of the year. Lot of weapons on this team. Agree with Stick on Carsen. If he takes a good step forward, we are tough.
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agree w this post 100%

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It's not just ESPN. Here is what I've seen today:

-Not Ranked: ESPN (Metcalf), Fox Sports (Torres), NBC (Dauster), The Big Lead (McIntyre)
-Not ranked before Biggie's decision & I haven't seen an update: SI (Davis), USA Today (Gleeson)
-In the "On the Cusp" group according to Jon Rothstein (fanrags)
-#25: CBS (Parrish)

3 B1G teams seem to be universally ranked above our Boilers: MSU, Minnesota, Northwestern

I get that Biggie was the face of the team, was an absolute monster last year, and won't be easily or even completely replaced next year. I wouldn't expect Purdue to remain in the top 15 range in these early looks. Yet, I'm still a little surprised the team isn't at least sneaking into these top 25s. How many other teams are returning 6 guys who started at least 7 games for a Sweet 16 squad last year & aren't getting ranked?
 
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02Boilermaker said:
It's not just ESPN. Here is what I've seen today:

-Not Ranked: ESPN (Metcalf), Fox Sports (Torres), NBC (Dauster), The Big Lead (McIntyre)
-Not ranked before Biggie's decision & I haven't seen an update: SI (Davis), USA Today (Gleeson)
-In the "On the Cusp" group according to Jon Rothstein (fanrags)
-#25: CBS (Parrish)

3 B1G teams seem to be universally ranked above our Boilers: MSU, Minnesota, Northwestern

I get that Biggie was the face of the team, was an absolute monster last year, and won't be easily or even completely replaced next year. I wouldn't expect Purdue to remain in the top 15 range in these early looks. Yet, I'm still a little surprised the team isn't at least sneaking into these top 25s. How many other teams are returning 6 guys who started at least 7 games for a Sweet 16 squad last year & aren't getting ranked?
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Play good overseas and we'll be ranked to start the season.
With what's returning and what's added top 25 should be the floor for this team.
 
Say what you want, but Biggie forced teams to play differently against us, opening up shooters, the lane, etc. This team was a top 15-20 team with him. We are probably in the 25-35 range without.
 
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Northwestern ranked ahead of us? Really? And Minnesota, I am not so sure about that either; they weren't exactly stellar in the NCAAs. The only one that makes sense to me is MSU with Bridges returning and the addition of JJJ. We are definitely a top 20 team! I would actually rank us around 15th. Sure the lose of Biggie hurts, but we have so much experience returning and so many new additions that have potential to contribute right away - I might even be under estimating our ranking. If Eastern is able to contribute right away like Carsen did in his Freshmen year, I think we are going to be really good! Most of the so called college basketball pundits don't seem to have a clue - I am shocked! Will be great to prove them all wrong! Boiler up!
 
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boilerzz said:
I'll be disappointed if we are not in the Top 25 to start the season. Purdue has been ranked in 38 consecutive AP polls, good for the 7th longest streak nationally and 2nd longest in Purdue history. I'd hate to see lazy voters keep that streak from continuing.
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Personally, I get greater enjoyment from watching Purdue start out underrated and climb steadily in the polls as the so-called "experts" express shock and attempt to cover their collective @sses, than to see Purdue rated highly and then severely punished in the polls with every loss.

Besides, it's not important where the Boilers start, but instead, where they finish. Always has been, and always will be.

JMHOAU
 
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boilerzz said:
I'll be disappointed if we are not in the Top 25 to start the season. Purdue has been ranked in 38 consecutive AP polls, good for the 7th longest streak nationally and 2nd longest in Purdue history. I'd hate to see lazy voters keep that streak from continuing.
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Win the international college tourney this summer and more than likely Purdue will slide in to the Top 25. It's a great chance for them to show what they have before the season starts...especially with the young guys being able to play.
 
I would agree Purdue should be ranked higher than Northwestern and Minnesota. I believe Michigan, despite losing Wilson, should also receive some votes.

Looking back at our tourney team with Biggie down the stretch, we laid an egg in the BIG 10 tourney, and we didn't exactly blow away either Vermont or ISU. I believe it's fair to say without Biggie, we would have lost to ISU and maybe Vermont. and the loss to Kansas didn't instill any confidence in outside voters. We have essentially the same team without Biggie. This is Haas' final year. There is no guarantee he will take his game to a new level with increased playing time. I believe Dakota and V Edwards will maintain their current level of performance. The key to our success really hinges on C Edwards eliminating his mistakes, and finding somebody who can and will rebound. Those are all big questions. Based on our performance of our last 4 games, I believe the ratings are justified.

The University Games should give Purdue some great exposure. if we do well and gain a third place or higher, I fully expect Purdue to be ranked in the top 25. if we finish 4th or lower, I expect a long season ahead. Unlike some teams, we didn't have a top 10 recruiting class to add an instant impact player. Having 4 seniors as starters doesn't guarantee success. When was the last time UK had 4 senior starters? or Duke? or MSU?

I was a student at Purdue when the soul train (Jordan, Parker, Walls, and White) were seniors. Our results that year were not close to the fans' expectations.

I'm hopeful, but also been down this road a few times and been disappointed way too many times.
 
As I said in another thread, I don't honestly care where we start but where we finish. And I can't really complain too much about not being ranked anyway as we need to prove it and I have little doubt by the end of the season we will.
 
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boombaby14 said:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...s-top-college-basketball-way-too-early-top-25

Doesn't really mean anything just thought I'd share. Not really unexpected after biggie left, plus I kind of like flying under the radar gives the guys on the roster a bit of a chip on their shoulder.
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Most of the teams ranked in the top 25 are listed having 4,5,6 key losses. Most of the top 10 lost their best 3 or more players. Purdue loses one key player and it completely knocks them out. Curious to see where they have Purdue overall. The thing is as much as I disagree with the commentators they're usually pretty accurate with occasional anomalies on top 20. I only say that because it's not hard to see them cleaning house on top recruits. The way Purdue got manhandled by Kansas, the ease of which they just dominated that game no matter what Purdue did even with Swan, I think a lot of questions need answered before any expectations can be thought of this year. I sure hope Painter has some pleasant surprises upcoming to help fill the gap.
 
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As I look at Purdue, I also look at UK. Can Purdue beat Kentucky? if not, then all this hoopla and hype about having 4 returning seniors is meaningless
 
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I believe Michigan, despite losing Wilson, should also receive some votes.
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Michigan just did not lose Wilson -- they lost their stud PG Walton. He was everything to them and at the end was dominate. Not sold on them.....I wonder if they will win 9 B1G games next year?
 
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Michigan just did not lose Wilson -- they lost their stud PG Walton. He was everything to them and at the end was dominate. Not sold on them.....I wonder if they will win 9 B1G games next year?
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I agree. Wilson and Walton were so important to their success. There isn't really a set in stone contender behind MSU. Purdue has plenty of opportunity. Minnesota and Northwestern are improved, but I don't see them have consistent success throughout a whole season. Maryland will take a step back and who knows what you get with Iowa and Wisconsin. I expect Michigan, Rutgers, IU, Penn State, OSU, and Illinois to struggle. I don't see Purdue being any worse than 4th in the Big Ten, but I expect them to finish in the top 3. A tournament bid and a sweet 16 is a reasonable expectation for next year. Purdue has way too much returning and adds some really nice pieces.

It all hinges on Carsen taking a big step forward and solid contributions from the news guys. I think we all know what we are going to get from the four seniors, and I think that group is talented enough to compete for the Big Ten and make the tournament. I also think they are good enough to be in the top 25 all year. The added athleticism will be nice and should help come tournament time.

Getting off to a good start is very important for recruiting. Carmody will likely make a decision by the fall. If Purdue can land a few option one guys, the future looks amazing.
 
I also saw a tweet that indicated Carmody would likely make his decision in the fall. If true, that would mean he would make his decision without seeing Purdue play a game with it's new group of players.

This places an increased importance on Purdue playing well in the University games for both ratings and recruiting purposes. Those games will not be a time for player evaluation. They will be a showcase for winning. and to the victor, comes the spoils.

This is a very important off season for Purdue. this is their chance to shine and make a statement.
 
We definitely need a top 25 recruiting class for 2018 if we want to continue the resurgence of Purdue basketball. Carmody would be a great start! I also agree if we do well in the University games this summer, it can only help us reach our recruiting goals.

As far as the upcoming season goes, I still think we could be really good despite the lose of Biggie. Haas, PJ and Dakota really showed improvement last year over the previous year, so if they can continue to improve that is really going to help us. An improved Vince and a more experienced Carsen, it could be interesting. I also think Eastern is going to be better than expected right away. I am really looking forward to the start of the season!
 
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I love it. Please, please underrate us. Pick MSU and Mich. and anyone else you want ahead of us in the BT.

I love what we have returning. Yes, Biggie was awesome, and we will really miss him. He left an incredible, indelible mark on our program.

But what we have back is ultra-exciting. There are a lot of question marks, but...

IF Carsen can take the next step, we'll have a dynamic guard we haven't had since Moore.

IF Haarms and Eastern can be what I think they can be, we'll have obscene depth.

And IF the other returners can make incremental improvements in their already strong games, we're going to be right back at the top of the conference, right back in the Sweet Sixteen, and threatening to go further.

So yes, please. Underrate us.
 
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Ben Shadeland said:
I love it. Please, please underrate us. Pick MSU and Mich. and anyone else you want ahead of us in the BT.

I love what we have returning. Yes, Biggie was awesome, and we will really miss him. He left an incredible, indelible mark on our program.

But what we have back is ultra-exciting. There are a lot of question marks, but...

IF Carsen can take the next step, we'll have a dynamic guard we haven't had since Moore.

IF Haarms and Eastern can be what I think they can be, we'll have obscene depth.

And IF the other returners can make incremental improvements in their already strong games, we're going to be right back at the top of the conference, right back in the Sweet Sixteen, and threatening to go further.

So yes, please. Underrate us.
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Couldn't have said it better. Love this group of experienced SR's being overlooked and having a chip on their shoulders the entire off season.
 
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If I remember right, the Battle 4 Atlantis has several top ranked teams in it.. The Boilers will have an advantage over most of those teams because of their seniors and the opportunity in the University Games.They will already have played a ton of ball together and if they are competitive ,and I am sure they will, there is no reason for them to not be a top 20 team
 
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Most of the teams ranked in the top 25 are listed having 4,5,6 key losses. Most of the top 10 lost their best 3 or more players. Purdue loses one key player and it completely knocks them out. Curious to see where they have Purdue overall. The thing is as much as I disagree with the commentators they're usually pretty accurate with occasional anomalies on top 20. I only say that because it's not hard to see them cleaning house on top recruits. The way Purdue got manhandled by Kansas, the ease of which they just dominated that game no matter what Purdue did even with Swan, I think a lot of questions need answered before any expectations can be thought of this year. I sure hope Painter has some pleasant surprises upcoming to help fill the gap.
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you do mention anomalies, but not sure if you consider the Kansas game one as well...not in the result...but the magnitude that I assume you reference? Biggie was huge, but it still is a team sport and a lot of pieces return. Personally, I'm most interested in Eastern and the versatility he brings to provide what may be needed in the moment..assuming of course that Purdue can rebound. All that said...many teams have more raw talent than Purdue as usual... ;)
 
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you do mention anomalies, but not sure if you consider the Kansas game one as well...not in the result...but the magnitude that I assume you reference? Biggie was huge, but it still is a team sport and a lot of pieces return. Personally, I'm most interested in Eastern and the versatility he brings to provide what may be needed in the moment..assuming of course that Purdue can rebound. All that said...many teams have more raw talent than Purdue as usual... ;)
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Did you mean more athletic physical talent? I'd completely agree with that, but I think the team has plenty of other talent skill sets (shooting, knowledge, unit experience). A debate on here has been physical athleticism vs. these other important traits and how hard it is to recruit players with very high athleticism and great shooting/internal drive/smarts/team mindset/etc. This year should be a better mix of all these talents, excited to see it play out!
 
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Did you mean more athletic physical talent? I'd completely agree with that, but I think the team has plenty of other talent skill sets (shooting, knowledge, unit experience). A debate on here has been physical athleticism vs. these other important traits and how hard it is to recruit players with very high athleticism and great shooting/internal drive/smarts/team mindset/etc. This year should be a better mix of all these talents, excited to see it play out!
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I see players with certain skills and certain athleticism...the higher the combination of those two the more talented for a given attitude and work ethic
 
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