you mean they keep creeping closer to playing an average game for that talent they have...
Norte Dame versus IU....
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I know this is hyperbole and to get a reaction, because an astute IU fan if she were to appear would never suggest such a thing. IU can beat Purdue at IU, but would NEVER beat Purdue on ANY other court. Purdue would win everyplace else like that have for over 100 years against IU. That said...given the Hall of Calls and the place where fans jump out on the court to guard the Purdue players, this game "might" be close and Bloomington with all the variables outside of basketball play by the players and coaches will be a "slight" dog in this event.
Umm, you played against a team in ND that ranks 125th in defensive efficiency. Duke was 124th. This helps explain IU's and Morgan's success against these teams.
You won't see as much opportunity against Purdue and Mich State. Purdue is 20th and Mich State is 11th in defensive efficiency.
I know you're a troll. But deep down you recognize Purdue, ND, and Butler are the main reasons the tourney is being held. IU basketball has been irrelevant since Knight left.
Hate to feed the troll but...
Perhaps the Loosiers should just go back to scheduling that crap fest of a holiday “tournament” in Indy that they used to hold - the one that had 3 D2 schools and IU - and had horrible attendance.
Fine with me...
I don't think Archie is going to eat anybody for breakfast. He is still looking for his knife & fork!
Ah, life on this message board imitates real life, our Boiler existence is enriched and validated simply from being privileged to visit and co exist with someone, anyone, associated with IU basketball. Thank you for your greatness, and teaching us a proper perspective.
that was a horribly painful game to watch. From the start, neither team looked fundamentally sound. Family was visiting, and I turned to one and asked what they heck we were watching.
We are in the presence of greatness, burbo!
Who knew, Archie has been playing all of CBB for fools. That 5-5 record going into yesterday? A ruse! And ND fell for it! Chumps!
Archie: HAHAHAHAHAHA! *rubbing hands together*
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...classic...Make fun of spelling or grammar because i cant make a logical point....funny PS. sorry for the ..... I am hoping that you, with your incredible god like intelligence, will forgive a mere mortal like myself.
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PS. sorry for the ..... I am hoping that you, with your incredible god like intelligence, will forgive a mere mortal like myself.
Nope . . . no making fun here, just having fun
And, we're all mere mortals!
Relax, get ready for Christmas, have a wonderful week, and good luck with your next game.
Same.. and thanksNope . . . no making fun here, just having fun
And, we're all mere mortals!
Relax, get ready for Christmas, have a wonderful week, and good luck with your next game.
LOL!
If you are going to try to give a smarta$$ answer, be prepared to be laughed at if it fails.
Just a hunch, but I have a feeling there's more to the story we don't know, some I'm willing to cut some slack.
If this helps you sleep at night
I sleep very well at night. How well do you sleep in "Chicaco"? May I have fries with that burger?
BTW, when IU fans come here to troll, like "jonriet", don't get butthurt when we respond negatively...
I don't wanna start an argument.I like posting over hjere, because for the most part, you guys are pretty decent. But c'mon,man. Miller is Crean 2.0? There is no way you believe that. Crean would have lost to Duke by 40 with this roster....25+ to UL, and probably 20+ today. There is a huge difference. I mean huge. Right now Miller is dealing with a flawed roster, and with guys who've been under the trance of Crean. Not to mention the learning of new offensive and defensive schemes. Our offense actually looks lije an offense, and not a 30 car pile up on 65 North. We just lack shooters. Defensively the difference is night and day. The stats don't show this. But the eyes do. Fundamentally, this team is so, so much better. Our buggest issue is rotating over on shooters; Which we didn't do to bad with yesterday.
Miller is no nonsense. Whereas Crean was a coddler. And hell we even have OOB plays. And they work!!
I understand the dislike between the two schools. But in no way shape or form is Miller, Crean 2.0
Just quit with the "House of Calls". Dude every team gets the benefot of a call or two or three at home; Yes, even at Mackey.
And it didn't seem to help us much against Duke. When IU went up 63-59, IU was called for 7 consecutive fouls. If that's home cooking, I won't a new chef.
No doubt we will get some calls. Just like I have no doubt Purdue will get some calls at home as well.
To say Morgan will never do this against Purdue is a bit premature. I think he will be a tough match for Purdue as I look for Miller to do what he did versus Duke, UL and ND. Pull the bigs out, and force them to guard Morgan on the perimeter. I like Haas and Haarms. But not sure they ahve the ability to defend Juwan off the dribble.
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Colson is a beast but ND had no rim protectors. Edwards even had 3 blocks yesterday. You will need to hit from 3 to prevent us from collapsing on him. I can see him getting more second chance points from offensive rebounds (which has killed us) than driving. Davis with his size worries me and he seemed to disappear this game.
I don't wanna start an argument.I like posting over hjere, because for the most part, you guys are pretty decent. But c'mon,man. Miller is Crean 2.0? There is no way you believe that. Crean would have lost to Duke by 40 with this roster....25+ to UL, and probably 20+ today. There is a huge difference. I mean huge. Right now Miller is dealing with a flawed roster, and with guys who've been under the trance of Crean. Not to mention the learning of new offensive and defensive schemes. Our offense actually looks lije an offense, and not a 30 car pile up on 65 North. We just lack shooters. Defensively the difference is night and day. The stats don't show this. But the eyes do. Fundamentally, this team is so, so much better. Our buggest issue is rotating over on shooters; Which we didn't do to bad with yesterday.
Miller is no nonsense. Whereas Crean was a coddler. And hell we even have OOB plays. And they work!!
I understand the dislike between the two schools. But in no way shape or form is Miller, Crean 2.0
Brother, back when he was hired we were all treated to how awesome Tom Crean was going to be. D-Wade; Final Four; blahblahblah.
Until he demonstrates otherwise, Archie is just another Mike Davis/Kelvin Sanctions/Tom Crean, but from a different school.
I'll give credit where credit is due: IU beat a team who showed incredible weaknesses, had recently lost games to teams they shouldn't have, but they battled and found a way to win. It was ND. ND is incredibly flawed right now. But, a win, nonetheless. Against Butler IU gets abused. Again.
I'm not looking forward to Purdue vs IU in the Hall of Calls (and, yes, IU has a reputation of getting a HUGE advantage from the officials). I think that will be IU's chance to salvage a season. They'll save their best game for Purdue. But, I also think IU's roster is loaded with talent, Archie just hasn't had enough time to figure out how to put the pieces together.
it's not just the Hall of Calls, but the fans that jump out and try to guard the Purdue players as well
No doubt we will have to hit shots. Morgan is going to be a tough guard. Edwards is a terrific athlete, but not sure he's the guy you want protectin the rim vs Morgan.
Davis really didn't disappear. Brey decided to go small, and in doing so pretty much took Davis out the game. He would've had been asked to guard the perimeter. He sinply cannot do that. I don't see this being the case in many Big 10 games. Just a situation where Indiana was more effective going small. Just not a good match-up for a guy who's foul prone.
Not from me. Was a critical of his hire from Day 1.
Anyways....Your last sentence tells the stroy: Miller just hasn't had the time. We are 11 games in. And TBH, I'm happy with where this team is headed. We have improved a lot from Day 1.
Loaded with talent? Not really. We have a suspect PG. An average PG. Morgan and Davis are very good. Justin Smith can be. But he's just a freshman. Johnson has been a huuuuge disappointment. Talent is there, though.
I doubt IU gets abused by Butler. They would have had no answer for Morgan OR Davis.
Notre Dame's not a bad team. Just hasn't played well of late. A win is a win.
IU gets no more calls at home than anyone else. If they do, someone forget to tell that to the officials who worked the Duke game. After IU took a 63-59 lead, rhe Hoosiers were called for 8 straight fouls. If that's getting home cooking, I think we need to hire a new chef.
Saving our best for Purdue? C;mon,man. Indiana/Purdue is a battle. Both will play with an extra hop in their step.
not having a chance to see IU much yet and already understanding you and I have a different view of blocking out...riddle me this.
If IU cannot shoot and I'm not saying they can or can't ...why would any coach allow Morgan to dribble the ball from 15 feet for four or so dribbles. If IU does NOT space the floor by being a threat..why can't the perimeter defenders drop down on Morgans dribble? What keeps teh perimeter defenders on the perimeter if there is no threat? I'm guessing other coaches must think (maybe wrongly?) that IU can't shoot to allow a four to dribble that much. FWIW you could see teh talent in MOrgan when he was a freshman and played against Purdue
IU cannot shoot. They are shooting 32% from three. Coming off the UL game where they shot 0-12 in the 2nd half from three; 5-24 overall. It's been IU's downfall all year.
Watch the final play(in OT). Morgan receives the ball at the 3-point line. Offense clears the lane, pulling the defense with them. Archie puts Johnson on the opposite wing. He had hit 5-10 three's, so ND had to respect that. So that left Morgan in a one on one drive vs Colson. The exact match-up Miller wanted; same play that was ran at the end of regulation. The play was misdirection. It opened up the lane. Johsnon;s defender stayed with him. Farrel came over to help. To late.
A well designed play that had Johnson's defender helped, the option for a kick out was there. He did not.
No one allowed Morgan to dribble that much. He can handle the ball well. If anything, Brey should've doubled Morgan on the catch,. He didn't, and Morgan made them pay for it.
virtually everything in that post is horse-hockey.
I'll take your word for it re Crean. But, unless you weren't paying attention, he was talked-up BIG time.
Yes, there's a lot of talent on that IU roster.
Yes, Butler would have beaten IU. Possibly big.
Notre Dame is playing horribly right now.
Ass Hall is the hall of calls. Period.
And, yes, the IU is the lesser team and they absolutely come jacked.
Give it a rest.
I just had lunch and iu still sucks.
I may post that phrase from time to time and sometimes a few in a row because, iu sucks. And I just don't think it can be said enough.
I may post that phrase from time to time and sometimes a few in a row because, iu sucks. And I just don't think it can be said enough.
Its not like they had much to chose from. Iu was an absolute garbage fire at the time they were looking for a,new coach.
I don't wanna start an argument.I like posting over hjere, because for the most part, you guys are pretty decent. But c'mon,man. Miller is Crean 2.0? There is no way you believe that. Crean would have lost to Duke by 40 with this roster....25+ to UL, and probably 20+ today. There is a huge difference. I mean huge. Right now Miller is dealing with a flawed roster, and with guys who've been under the trance of Crean. Not to mention the learning of new offensive and defensive schemes. Our offense actually looks lije an offense, and not a 30 car pile up on 65 North. We just lack shooters. Defensively the difference is night and day. The stats don't show this. But the eyes do. Fundamentally, this team is so, so much better. Our buggest issue is rotating over on shooters; Which we didn't do to bad with yesterday.
Miller is no nonsense. Whereas Crean was a coddler. And hell we even have OOB plays. And they work!!
I understand the dislike between the two schools. But in no way shape or form is Miller, Crean 2.0
well he doesn't have the orange glow.
clapper and prancer and blow by handshakes and others i'm sure
I don't even know where the video is at this time. perhaps I'll find it in a minute. Until then I understand you to say Johnson(5/10 ) ends up on weakside away from the ball and a person is guarding Morgan and three other people fron ND are what hugging their man while it has been a MORGAN show? I'll catch the video, but that too seems like a brain fart by ND if IU only has one shooter and he is away from the action...what did the other three do that were not needed to contest Johnson and also not guarding Morgan. I'll see if I can find the video to see if I understand you correctly. I would think that the shooter would be on strong side so that the shooter does not allow his defender to help, but maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying. I need to see the video to see what you are saying.
Well I found it and yes ND guarded what ended up being the strong side Johnson and ND was not going to help off of him although the defender should not be standing as he did, but should be more sideways to see Johnson and be able to help on Morgan and recover to Johnson as needed. Fundamental error on 0 for ND However, the key to the play was number 11 for IU who ran what was an illegal screen or brush on Colson that allowed Morgan to get once again to his right hand and drive the ball, but would never be called and as are many illegal screens that can be employed by the offense without looking like an illegal screen (I mean an offensive player has a certain right to move as well)...and no doubt was told to do exactly that to free Morgan at roughly 34 seconds. THAT is not to sugest the refs should call something, because they should NOT call an illegal screen the way it was ran. What you will notice here is another defensive fundamental error by player 10 for ND. All coaches I assume still teach to step to the ball on defense. When you step to the ball, you prevent a return pass for a give and go and get in the way of the passer heading to the ball. You will notice number 10 for ND did nothing and rather than doubling Morgan and leaving the non-shooter you mentioned or at least bought time for Colson to recover by a quick double, he slipped behind the brushed Colson and did nothing defensively. I mean he left the player that has scored everything in the final seconds to guard a player that you say is no threat to shoot. I mean if you are not worried about shooters like number 11 and only Johnson...why do you not double ..at least a quick double on MOrgan when you are five feet away from the guy that never headed to the bucket, but headed to brush Colson. If number 10 for ND steps to the ball, the brush on Colson doesn't happen...maybe Morgan hits a jumper...maybe without the brush colson allows him to once again go with with right hand...I don't know. Brey cannot be happy with the D at the end as well as the FT line work.
Still, as a fan of IU I can understand all positive vibes from the game
I don't know if it was intentional but the mispelling in the thread title tickled me to death...
