In the NFL Scouting Combine's 40-yard dash for defensive linemen, Randy Gregory was sixth (4.64) and Ryan Russell ninth (4.75).
Would've been a nice combination.
Would've been a nice combination.
NFL Combine DL 40: Gregory 6th, Russell 9th
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Russell also finished among the top 10 in the broad jump and three-cone drill.
And you can be sure he killed in the interviews.
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And you can be sure he killed in the interviews.
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What I don't get is why this kid could never put it together on the field. Always had all the physical tools and potential. He was better this year....but still not the player he could have been in college IMO.
I don't think this is one you can pin on the staff for not developing/getting the most out of him.
Does he just not have "IT"?
I don't think this is one you can pin on the staff for not developing/getting the most out of him.
Does he just not have "IT"?
Different systems surely didn't help.
Mike Mayock said "plenty of potential, not a lot of production". If that's the case, someone will draft him thinking they can turn that potential into production.
He may not be a pass rusher, but he would seem to be a solid guy at stopping the run in a rotational setting.
He's definitely a pretty good run stopper. That said, too many times last year he was too deep in the backfield (without getting to the QB or changing the pocket) allowing open running lanes. He was not very good for us vs. MSU. Most of their big runs were off Tackle and to his side of the field.
I'm going to stick to my assumption....great athlete. Just missing IT
Over his time at Purdue Hope, Hazell, and himself were critical of his every down effort.
He didnt seem to have another move to get to the qb besides over pursuing the qb and opening lanes as you describe. He constantly would get stood up and would just stand there engaging the tackle. Obviously not all hand moves are visible from the stands, but some are, and I never saw him try to swim or shift the tackles weight to his advantage.
He still had a serviceable career, but could have put up serious numbers with his physical tools.
Calling it an 'it' factor is reasonable.
I would say superior athletic skills meets questionable work ethic and technique. The Dorien Bryant of defensive ends.
Im glad hes gone if for no other reason than to give his downs to someone with, presumably, more hustle.
He didnt seem to have another move to get to the qb besides over pursuing the qb and opening lanes as you describe. He constantly would get stood up and would just stand there engaging the tackle. Obviously not all hand moves are visible from the stands, but some are, and I never saw him try to swim or shift the tackles weight to his advantage.
He still had a serviceable career, but could have put up serious numbers with his physical tools.
Calling it an 'it' factor is reasonable.
I would say superior athletic skills meets questionable work ethic and technique. The Dorien Bryant of defensive ends.
Im glad hes gone if for no other reason than to give his downs to someone with, presumably, more hustle.
Yes...because he didn't have 7000
The good old ability to determine who's hustling or not....or who's giving it their all and who's loafing.
Understandable sentiments, but Tiller publicly and repeatedly said he was allergic to hard work. Bryant himself would later say things about how 'his heart wasnt in it', he didnt care, and he didnt really want to be there. Im sure being gay in that climate took an understandable toll too.
Have you ever been on a team where one of the biggest leaders didnt work hard? Of the 2-3 Ive seen, its darn hard to get everyone else under them to work hard too. For that reason, I will take guys that work hard over guys that dont almost regardless of physical talent. However, as you all point out, he was easily the best they had post 04 so he started.
You can have your 6000 or whatever yards with zero key wins all day sirs. I adhore watching players like him.
What was the biggest play Dorien ever had? Meaningless highlight touchdowns for OOC games?
Have you ever been on a team where one of the biggest leaders didnt work hard? Of the 2-3 Ive seen, its darn hard to get everyone else under them to work hard too. For that reason, I will take guys that work hard over guys that dont almost regardless of physical talent. However, as you all point out, he was easily the best they had post 04 so he started.
You can have your 6000 or whatever yards with zero key wins all day sirs. I adhore watching players like him.
What was the biggest play Dorien ever had? Meaningless highlight touchdowns for OOC games?
Although, I wasnt really trying to be down on him with the Bryant comparison.
They both just clearly werent concerned with getting everything out of their college days by their own admission, and they were prominant players on teams that decreased Purdue's relevance.
Personally I get a little testy about it because I feel like I pay enough money to watch guys give their all. W/L's dont mean that much to me anymore.
And in general, I agree that calling out players from the stands is difficult to do. Those kids put in a ton of effort to even make it to the field. However, when their coach says it and they say it, its almost certainly true.
They both just clearly werent concerned with getting everything out of their college days by their own admission, and they were prominant players on teams that decreased Purdue's relevance.
Personally I get a little testy about it because I feel like I pay enough money to watch guys give their all. W/L's dont mean that much to me anymore.
And in general, I agree that calling out players from the stands is difficult to do. Those kids put in a ton of effort to even make it to the field. However, when their coach says it and they say it, its almost certainly true.
As a fan/coach, I can live with crazy (ex: Stratton/Vinny). I can live with self-centered and outspoken (Sheets/Pollard). I have zero room for lazy. Not saying Russel nor Bryant never produced. I am absolutely saying neither player ever made one play when the game was on the line. I think Bryant had a TD against CMU in the 07 bowl that was the closest you could come to that. I wouldnt even count that if it werent a bowl. Russel I think had a sack or two in the 2012 ND game. Thats not good enough given their talent.
Its my potentially flawed opinion that effort is extremely contagious for better and worse.
BTW, if stats are the end all, then man Painter was a great QB. Easily better than Brees and Orton. Sheets was better than Alstott too.
I've been pleasantly surprised how well Avril has transitioned to Sunday's. I'm hoping Russell can do the same.
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Avril was always athletc and motor was never an issue. He actually had decent college production. Size was his concern. Not a good comparison
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Interesting to hear he had decent college production, I could not begin to guess what his totals were.
I expected the world from him early on in his career and was frusterated with his lack of production.
Anyone have a take on what his lack of stardom was about? At the time I thought it was the turmoil in those lockerroom, a paper thin secondary from 04-06ish, and coaching since not much of anyone was doing anything impressive short of a few superior guys like Orton, Stubby, Pollard.
Played 21 games at de. 13 sacks in that time. Perceived lack of production was due to playing lb
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So now we've learned that Ryan Russell lacks effort and doesn't have it. Underachiever, according to some local ex-spurts..
Must be the reason his teammates elected him captain. Or why he was our one and only selection for the NFL Combine.
For those who don't have their heads up their hoosier and can actually read, here's his career numbers ...
Ryan Russell
2014 - 12 G; 12 GS; 44 Tackles; 29 Solo; 6.5 TFL; 3.0 Sacks; 1 FF;
2013 - 12 G; 11 GS; 35 Tackles; 25 Solo; 5.5 TFL; 2.0 Sacks;
2012 - 13 G; 13 GS; 37 Tackles; 29 Solo; 8.5 TFL; 4.0 Sacks; 1 FR;
2011 - 13 G; 11 GS; 33 Tackles; 18 Solo; 4.5 TFL; 1.0 Sacks; 3 FF; 3 FR;
Must be the reason his teammates elected him captain. Or why he was our one and only selection for the NFL Combine.
For those who don't have their heads up their hoosier and can actually read, here's his career numbers ...
Ryan Russell
2014 - 12 G; 12 GS; 44 Tackles; 29 Solo; 6.5 TFL; 3.0 Sacks; 1 FF;
2013 - 12 G; 11 GS; 35 Tackles; 25 Solo; 5.5 TFL; 2.0 Sacks;
2012 - 13 G; 13 GS; 37 Tackles; 29 Solo; 8.5 TFL; 4.0 Sacks; 1 FR;
2011 - 13 G; 11 GS; 33 Tackles; 18 Solo; 4.5 TFL; 1.0 Sacks; 3 FF; 3 FR;
That is pretty poor production given the number of starts. Also, the motor issue was brought up by coaches and he admitted it himself
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Always had a good frame and good athleticism.
The light never came on here. That said, I wish him the best. Will probably be a 3-4th round pick.
Hopefully a new team will give him the spark he needs for the light to turn on.
He's a guy who was never really that good here...but I don't think you can put his lack of success on Hope OR Hazell. Some guys just can't be coached. Some guys never flourish at one destination. Some guys just never live up to the hype at all.
Largely agree. Its easy for me to believe the Purdue locker room hasnt been a great place to be the last couple years.
A change of scenery and a paycheck could turn on his motivation.
I always root for guys like him to make enough to retire if they save aggressively as a reward for their college days, especially if they dont go well; like Painter
The light never came on? Poor performance? Not motivated? A locker room cancer?
You're
The light never came on? Poor performance? Not motivated? A locker room cancer?
You're absolute fools.
Ryan Russell's teammates elected him captain, endorsed by the coaches -- a fact that in itself wipes out every piece of crap claim you make.
He's been one of our most articulate spokesmen ever -- a sociology major and a media favorite.
Above all, he was the one and only Purdue player who the National Football League considered worthy of inviting to its 2015 Scouting Combine. Poor performance doesn't open that door.
But you know more than they do.
Your enlightenment is best evidenced by your statement that an "average" defensive end gets 55 tackles a year. That means the entire Big Ten Conference, including the national champions, failed to produce even one "average" defensive end this year.
You're as clueless as you are slanderous.
None of what you jut posted refutes the position that he underperformed. His sack and tfl numbers are underwhelming. Care to address that?
Also, he admitted he took plays off. Why are you ignoring that?
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