They just beat IU and Maryland with VE scoring 26 and 0 pts. The one constant has been Swanigan. Dakota scores 12 against Maryland and 3 vs IU. They won't have role players next season but seniors and extremely balanced team. Agree CE and VE can do when game is on line but others can step up next year. I won't have a problem watching PJ launch a 3 with game on the line or obviously Cline. We are going to be fine next season for sure and expectations will be high.
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They just beat IU and Maryland with VE scoring 26 and 0 pts. The one constant has been Swanigan. Dakota scores 12 against Maryland and 3 vs IU. They won't have role players next season but seniors and extremely balanced team. Agree CE and VE can do when game is on line but others can step up next year. I won't have a problem watching PJ launch a 3 with game on the line or obviously Cline. We are going to be fine next season for sure and expectations will be high.
I think that role players are very important. Purdue appears to have a very good mix right now. I think that it can be difficult to have a team full of slashers who all want the ball in their hands. (In fact, there are a number of teams in the Big Ten right now who basically fit that description and all struggle with offensive consistency.) It's unselfish, skilled players like Dakota, PJ, and Vince that allow players like Biggie and Carsen to shine.
This is the same discussion we had last year about AJH leaving.
I swear some of you go out of your way to think of ways to be negative, even if it's subtle negativity.
I swear some of you go out of your way to think of ways to be negative, even if it's subtle negativity.
Weren't you the one who every year has been demanding that Painter bring in JUCOs?!!! You have even stated that Purdue will never win a national title without JUCOs.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't... in some people's minds.
Nage thinks those guys grow on trees and Purdue has a shot at all of them. It's a tired, worn out belief that is not backed up by facts or reality.
Adding Ewing, Haarms and a healthy Taylor and Haas back, we have the rebounding covered.
Ewing is very athletic, combined with a healthy Taylor, both can rebound and block shots and run the floor.
Good compliment to Haas.......
Excited to see those Blue Collar guys go to work!
Ewing is very athletic, combined with a healthy Taylor, both can rebound and block shots and run the floor.
Good compliment to Haas.......
Excited to see those Blue Collar guys go to work!
I agree that they are. It's just that having too many of them can be a hindrance (i.e. players that are either unwilling or unable to make a play or take a shot in a "high-pressure" moment.
I believe you're implying that Painter has anything to do with the changes in this team. I have it on the vast opinions of the board experts that you are wrong in thinking that.
NBA projections at this point of the year can be VERY hit and miss. If you look at them across the board, they are all over the place. There's some respectable ones, but there's a lot of garbage ones.
So that's why you're "Math"boy!
The same was said last year with our seniors graduating. This team returns a lot of talent and tons of experience. It will be good again.
That's fantastic. Would a selection that high get him a guaranteed contract. I hope so for him and his family.
Been thinking about this lately. We are starting to build a base that will continue to develop quality play year after year with the addition of 3-4 quality kids each year. I see us reaching a point where we don't need to rebuild just continue on with what is already building. A big finish this year would help with the recruiting for '18 and '19 since the '17 class is almost set.
Would put him in the back part of the lottery......so, yes. All first round picks are guaranteed for two years, and at sixteen, he'd be looking at a neighborhood of $1.44 - 2.16 million the first year and $1.77 - 2.64 million the second year. Teams can have an option for up to the next three years in connection with the rookie pay scale.
Here is a link to the scale, agreed upon between the NBA owners and the players' union.
The Big Dollars (or "Biggie" in this case) usually come with the second contract.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2018
It will be really tough to replace CS with a bunch of unproven freshmen next year.. his stats has been tremendous. He is a 5 star player that makes Purdue basketball alive and interesting again. Thanks Coaches for getting him here, and let's bring in more 5 stars player in this place.
I don't think anyone is saying his "skills don't transfer." It's his athleticism that is the larger issue.
That said, I agree - this lack of athleticism is concerning, but with the kid's work ethic and skills, I sure as hell wouldn't count against him.
Pair him with a center who protects the rim (Dwight Howard, Deandre Jordan, Rudy Gobert, etc), and that team will literally GOBBLE up rebounds. I think he'll find a place in the NBA.
I'm not particularly worried about next year. We will have a nice deep and experienced team, even if none are going to be considered superstars. I'm more concerned about the following year after Vince, Haas, Cline, and Mathias leave. In my opinion, a deep tourney run would be extremely beneficial this year to make recruiting inroads for 2018. Our incoming recruits are not chopped liver, but I could see a pretty big dropoff in the league if we don't get a new batch of top 100 talent to replace the huge amount of experience that we will be losing that year.
I'm guessing you meant PJT instead of Cline. That will be a lot of experience to replace, no doubt.
I think Painter will need to change the design of our offense a bit next year, especially for when Haas isn't in the game. Less inside-out, more dribble-drive. I expect Carsen is going to have a really big year if Purdue spreads the court more and opens up driving lanes when Haas isn't in the game. Defense is definitely going to be interesting.
Yes. Nags prefers grad transfers and late committing 5 stars.
That is the hope. Throw in a superstar once in a while and it's a damn fun program.
Agree. I think you will see both styles depending on wether Haas is in or out. I am hoping there is more passing to slashers than high ball screen drives. You need both. I just enjoy the passing more.
The topic has gone a bit astray, so I would like to share my personal opinion on the next year's roster. You know, the REAL main topic of this thread? 
Center - Isaac Haas, Jacquil Taylor, (Max Haarms)
Haas is the obvious answer to replace Biggie here. The only reason Haas is not starting this year is the improved Biggie. Sure, there is a bit of trade-off in outside scoring, but Haas, even as he is right now, is already one of the best centers in college. Taylor will be the most likely to back him up, as Haarms would need to bulk up more to play in the B1G.
Power Forward - Vince Edwards, Taylor, Eden Ewing, (Aaron Wheeler)
Personally I think Vince is a natural small forward. But he is sized and skilled enough to play a power forward in college. His outside shots are good enough to open up things inside for Haas, making him a perfect compliment. I think Painter will always keep a two-person combination of Isaac, Vince, and Taylor on the court, for the rebounding sake. Depending on the game and situation, Ewing may occasionally contribute here, allowing Wheeler to red-shirt for development.
Small Forward - Nojel Eastern, Ewing, (Wheeler, Sasha Stefanovic)
It would be foolish not to start Eastern in any capacity, and this spot may be the best solution for this problem. Even now we are playing Mathias here (or Carsen, depending on your perspective), and Eastern isn't that much far off size-wise. Haas alone can do enough scoring inside since we will have enough 3-pt threats around him, and Eastern will add to the the outside scoring while also providing much needed shot creations. Ewing's experience is most likely to put him ahead of others to play a back-up here.
Shooting Guard - Dakota Mathias, Ryan Cline, (Eastern, Carsen Edwards, Stefanovic)
Barring a sudden surge of Cline, this is Mathias' job to lose. He has shown to be capable both as a scoring and defensive threat this year. Cline will be a solid back-up, with Eastern and maybe Edwards possibly rotating in and out depending on the situation. Carsen can help out here, as he has started at this position this year. The rich line-up in this position means that Stefanovic may have to red-shirt to keep his eligibility.
Point Guard - PJ Thompson, Carsen Edwards, (Eastern)
I only put Thompson's name first because of his experience, but Edwards' performance this year shows that he is not very far off. PJ's handling and experience still keeps him ahead, yet Edwards may steal the spot time-to-time depending on the matchup. Eastern can also play here, so depth is also safe, at least for the next year.
This will keep our main line-up tight at 9 people. Haarms, Wheeler, and Stefanvoic may benefit from redshirting, barring an emergency like an injury. I know we are still pursuing Epperson, but I doubt there wiil be any other surprise commit that will be an instant impact that Biggie was. Other than Epperson or some 5-star recruit, I would prefer that Painter would either bank the remaining scholarship or spend it on an instant impact grad transfer (which is rare, I know).
As it is, even without any improvement and Swanigan, I think we will be talented and mature enough to be the upper half of the B1G. With decent improvements, we are looking at an another year of being ranked in the top 25. Hopefully this will help us in the future recruiting.
Center - Isaac Haas, Jacquil Taylor, (Max Haarms)
Haas is the obvious answer to replace Biggie here. The only reason Haas is not starting this year is the improved Biggie. Sure, there is a bit of trade-off in outside scoring, but Haas, even as he is right now, is already one of the best centers in college. Taylor will be the most likely to back him up, as Haarms would need to bulk up more to play in the B1G.
Power Forward - Vince Edwards, Taylor, Eden Ewing, (Aaron Wheeler)
Personally I think Vince is a natural small forward. But he is sized and skilled enough to play a power forward in college. His outside shots are good enough to open up things inside for Haas, making him a perfect compliment. I think Painter will always keep a two-person combination of Isaac, Vince, and Taylor on the court, for the rebounding sake. Depending on the game and situation, Ewing may occasionally contribute here, allowing Wheeler to red-shirt for development.
Small Forward - Nojel Eastern, Ewing, (Wheeler, Sasha Stefanovic)
It would be foolish not to start Eastern in any capacity, and this spot may be the best solution for this problem. Even now we are playing Mathias here (or Carsen, depending on your perspective), and Eastern isn't that much far off size-wise. Haas alone can do enough scoring inside since we will have enough 3-pt threats around him, and Eastern will add to the the outside scoring while also providing much needed shot creations. Ewing's experience is most likely to put him ahead of others to play a back-up here.
Shooting Guard - Dakota Mathias, Ryan Cline, (Eastern, Carsen Edwards, Stefanovic)
Barring a sudden surge of Cline, this is Mathias' job to lose. He has shown to be capable both as a scoring and defensive threat this year. Cline will be a solid back-up, with Eastern and maybe Edwards possibly rotating in and out depending on the situation. Carsen can help out here, as he has started at this position this year. The rich line-up in this position means that Stefanovic may have to red-shirt to keep his eligibility.
Point Guard - PJ Thompson, Carsen Edwards, (Eastern)
I only put Thompson's name first because of his experience, but Edwards' performance this year shows that he is not very far off. PJ's handling and experience still keeps him ahead, yet Edwards may steal the spot time-to-time depending on the matchup. Eastern can also play here, so depth is also safe, at least for the next year.
This will keep our main line-up tight at 9 people. Haarms, Wheeler, and Stefanvoic may benefit from redshirting, barring an emergency like an injury. I know we are still pursuing Epperson, but I doubt there wiil be any other surprise commit that will be an instant impact that Biggie was. Other than Epperson or some 5-star recruit, I would prefer that Painter would either bank the remaining scholarship or spend it on an instant impact grad transfer (which is rare, I know).
As it is, even without any improvement and Swanigan, I think we will be talented and mature enough to be the upper half of the B1G. With decent improvements, we are looking at an another year of being ranked in the top 25. Hopefully this will help us in the future recruiting.
The topic has gone a bit astray, so I would like to share my personal opinion on the next year's roster. You know, the REAL main topic of this thread?
Center - Isaac Haas, Jacquil Taylor, (Max Haarms)
Haas is the obvious answer to replace Biggie here. The only reason Haas is not starting this year is the improved Biggie. Sure, there is a bit of trade-off in outside scoring, but Haas, even as he is right now, is already one of the best centers in college. Taylor will be the most likely to back him up, as Haarms would need to bulk up more to play in the B1G.
Power Forward - Vince Edwards, Taylor, Eden Ewing, (Aaron Wheeler)
Personally I think Vince is a natural small forward. But he is sized and skilled enough to play a power forward in college. His outside shots are good enough to open up things inside for Haas, making him a perfect compliment. I think Painter will always keep a two-person combination of Isaac, Vince, and Taylor on the court, for the rebounding sake. Depending on the game and situation, Ewing may occasionally contribute here, allowing Wheeler to red-shirt for development.
Small Forward - Nojel Eastern, Ewing, (Wheeler, Sasha Stefanovic)
It would be foolish not to start Eastern in any capacity, and this spot may be the best solution for this problem. Even now we are playing Mathias here (or Carsen, depending on your perspective), and Eastern isn't that much far off size-wise. Haas alone can do enough scoring inside since we will have enough 3-pt threats around him, and Eastern will add to the the outside scoring while also providing much needed shot creations. Ewing's experience is most likely to put him ahead of others to play a back-up here.
Shooting Guard - Dakota Mathias, Ryan Cline, (Eastern, Carsen Edwards, Stefanovic)
Barring a sudden surge of Cline, this is Mathias' job to lose. He has shown to be capable both as a scoring and defensive threat this year. Cline will be a solid back-up, with Eastern and maybe Edwards possibly rotating in and out depending on the situation. Carsen can help out here, as he has started at this position this year. The rich line-up in this position means that Stefanovic may have to red-shirt to keep his eligibility.
Point Guard - PJ Thompson, Carsen Edwards, (Eastern)
I only put Thompson's name first because of his experience, but Edwards' performance this year shows that he is not very far off. PJ's handling and experience still keeps him ahead, yet Edwards may steal the spot time-to-time depending on the matchup. Eastern can also play here, so depth is also safe, at least for the next year.
This will keep our main line-up tight at 9 people. Haarms, Wheeler, and Stefanvoic may benefit from redshirting, barring an emergency like an injury. I know we are still pursuing Epperson, but I doubt there wiil be any other surprise commit that will be an instant impact that Biggie was. Other than Epperson or some 5-star recruit, I would prefer that Painter would either bank the remaining scholarship or spend it on an instant impact grad transfer (which is rare, I know).
As it is, even without any improvement and Swanigan, I think we will be talented and mature enough to be the upper half of the B1G. With decent improvements, we are looking at an another year of being ranked in the top 25. Hopefully this will help us in the future recruiting.
They've had one before (Jon Octeus) and others, while making lesser impacts, were (are) still rotation players (Errick Peck, Sterling Carter, Johnny Hill, Spike Albrecht) that had key play moments. If Biggie leaves early, there's at least one open scholarship.
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Haarms is redshirting this year, can't redshirt again next year.The topic has gone a bit astray, so I would like to share my personal opinion on the next year's roster. You know, the REAL main topic of this thread?
Center - Isaac Haas, Jacquil Taylor, (Max Haarms)
Haas is the obvious answer to replace Biggie here. The only reason Haas is not starting this year is the improved Biggie. Sure, there is a bit of trade-off in outside scoring, but Haas, even as he is right now, is already one of the best centers in college. Taylor will be the most likely to back him up, as Haarms would need to bulk up more to play in the B1G.
Power Forward - Vince Edwards, Taylor, Eden Ewing, (Aaron Wheeler)
Personally I think Vince is a natural small forward. But he is sized and skilled enough to play a power forward in college. His outside shots are good enough to open up things inside for Haas, making him a perfect compliment. I think Painter will always keep a two-person combination of Isaac, Vince, and Taylor on the court, for the rebounding sake. Depending on the game and situation, Ewing may occasionally contribute here, allowing Wheeler to red-shirt for development.
Small Forward - Nojel Eastern, Ewing, (Wheeler, Sasha Stefanovic)
It would be foolish not to start Eastern in any capacity, and this spot may be the best solution for this problem. Even now we are playing Mathias here (or Carsen, depending on your perspective), and Eastern isn't that much far off size-wise. Haas alone can do enough scoring inside since we will have enough 3-pt threats around him, and Eastern will add to the the outside scoring while also providing much needed shot creations. Ewing's experience is most likely to put him ahead of others to play a back-up here.
Shooting Guard - Dakota Mathias, Ryan Cline, (Eastern, Carsen Edwards, Stefanovic)
Barring a sudden surge of Cline, this is Mathias' job to lose. He has shown to be capable both as a scoring and defensive threat this year. Cline will be a solid back-up, with Eastern and maybe Edwards possibly rotating in and out depending on the situation. Carsen can help out here, as he has started at this position this year. The rich line-up in this position means that Stefanovic may have to red-shirt to keep his eligibility.
Point Guard - PJ Thompson, Carsen Edwards, (Eastern)
I only put Thompson's name first because of his experience, but Edwards' performance this year shows that he is not very far off. PJ's handling and experience still keeps him ahead, yet Edwards may steal the spot time-to-time depending on the matchup. Eastern can also play here, so depth is also safe, at least for the next year.
This will keep our main line-up tight at 9 people. Haarms, Wheeler, and Stefanvoic may benefit from redshirting, barring an emergency like an injury. I know we are still pursuing Epperson, but I doubt there wiil be any other surprise commit that will be an instant impact that Biggie was. Other than Epperson or some 5-star recruit, I would prefer that Painter would either bank the remaining scholarship or spend it on an instant impact grad transfer (which is rare, I know).
As it is, even without any improvement and Swanigan, I think we will be talented and mature enough to be the upper half of the B1G. With decent improvements, we are looking at an another year of being ranked in the top 25. Hopefully this will help us in the future recruiting.
I agree with this. PJ, CE, Mathias and VE will all get heavy minutes. Next tier of minutes will go to Haas (maybe 20-22?). Taylor/Haarms/Ewing will fill in the rest of the front court minutes. Cline will get the next tier of minutes for backcourt. Then sprinkle in limited minutes for Eastern on the wing maybe? (I haven't seen him play yet so just don't know) I dont see any room for minutes for AW or SS unless there are injuries or they really take their game to another level their freshman year.
I expect Nojel Eastern will get at least as many minutes as with Carsen Edwards this year. He also has a versatile skill set and can defend multiple positions. However......he will be just a freshman....and there will be a learning curve.
Backup 5 is really the only concern I have. Either need Haarms ready to go, or a healthy JT.
We are solid at the 4 with Vince and Ewing, and the 1-3 spots with combinations of PJ, CE, DM, RC and Nojel.
Well after the Rutger game, at least we know we will be better than Rutgers next year. The two long stretches CS went out of the game, the rest of the guys increased the lead both times.
well thought out and balanced analysis of what next year might look like. What delights me is the steady flow of talent onto this team each year, now producing an upper class lead team of strong players. I see us being a dominant BIG team for years to come.The topic has gone a bit astray, so I would like to share my personal opinion on the next year's roster. You know, the REAL main topic of this thread?
Center - Isaac Haas, Jacquil Taylor, (Max Haarms)
Haas is the obvious answer to replace Biggie here. The only reason Haas is not starting this year is the improved Biggie. Sure, there is a bit of trade-off in outside scoring, but Haas, even as he is right now, is already one of the best centers in college. Taylor will be the most likely to back him up, as Haarms would need to bulk up more to play in the B1G.
Power Forward - Vince Edwards, Taylor, Eden Ewing, (Aaron Wheeler)
Personally I think Vince is a natural small forward. But he is sized and skilled enough to play a power forward in college. His outside shots are good enough to open up things inside for Haas, making him a perfect compliment. I think Painter will always keep a two-person combination of Isaac, Vince, and Taylor on the court, for the rebounding sake. Depending on the game and situation, Ewing may occasionally contribute here, allowing Wheeler to red-shirt for development.
Small Forward - Nojel Eastern, Ewing, (Wheeler, Sasha Stefanovic)
It would be foolish not to start Eastern in any capacity, and this spot may be the best solution for this problem. Even now we are playing Mathias here (or Carsen, depending on your perspective), and Eastern isn't that much far off size-wise. Haas alone can do enough scoring inside since we will have enough 3-pt threats around him, and Eastern will add to the the outside scoring while also providing much needed shot creations. Ewing's experience is most likely to put him ahead of others to play a back-up here.
Shooting Guard - Dakota Mathias, Ryan Cline, (Eastern, Carsen Edwards, Stefanovic)
Barring a sudden surge of Cline, this is Mathias' job to lose. He has shown to be capable both as a scoring and defensive threat this year. Cline will be a solid back-up, with Eastern and maybe Edwards possibly rotating in and out depending on the situation. Carsen can help out here, as he has started at this position this year. The rich line-up in this position means that Stefanovic may have to red-shirt to keep his eligibility.
Point Guard - PJ Thompson, Carsen Edwards, (Eastern)
I only put Thompson's name first because of his experience, but Edwards' performance this year shows that he is not very far off. PJ's handling and experience still keeps him ahead, yet Edwards may steal the spot time-to-time depending on the matchup. Eastern can also play here, so depth is also safe, at least for the next year.
This will keep our main line-up tight at 9 people. Haarms, Wheeler, and Stefanvoic may benefit from redshirting, barring an emergency like an injury. I know we are still pursuing Epperson, but I doubt there wiil be any other surprise commit that will be an instant impact that Biggie was. Other than Epperson or some 5-star recruit, I would prefer that Painter would either bank the remaining scholarship or spend it on an instant impact grad transfer (which is rare, I know).
As it is, even without any improvement and Swanigan, I think we will be talented and mature enough to be the upper half of the B1G. With decent improvements, we are looking at an another year of being ranked in the top 25. Hopefully this will help us in the future recruiting.
From what I have read in previous posts here, Aaron Wheeler ("AW") did not commit to Purdue so he can do a "redshirt" year in 2017-'18. He has already spent what would be considered a "post-grad" year at Brewster Academy. Brewster Academy players are sprinkled throughout the Power 5 conferences -- and most of them make an immediate contribution as freshmen. Other than adding strength before the start of next season, AW will find an opportunity to play significant minutes next season. Moreover, next year's roster will see more movement than folks here are considering at this time. In my opinion, the 2017'-18 team will have great upperclassmen leadership sprinkled with new talent so I don't expect a significant dropoff in Purdue's positioning in the Big 10.
Exactly. The roster will be different but that doesn't mean worse. Haarms has had the benefit of practicing for quite some time with the team so will have some valuable experience already. Sure not game experience, but he should be ahead of the curve already.
I really think next year we'll have more balance and have different offensive looks that will give teams fits and should have a pretty successful season.
We hopefully should have both. Haarms has had the rare opportunity to practice alongside the team for quite some time now and hopefully will bulk up some before next season.
