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Next season's non-conference schedule

Look, really solid teams aren't exactly blowing Elliot Bloom's phone up wanting to play at Mackey Arena. If you can't wrap your head around that, and why that's the case, I don't know what to tell you. Can someone please back me up on this and confirm that the proposed schedule above is absolutely ridiculous? Anyone?
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I agree with you. That schedule difficulty would be #1 overall non conference and like you said would be nearly impossible to put together in getting all those teams to agree to play at Mackey. It would take very minor tweaks to improve last year's schedule and a major change like suggested wouldn't be necessary. Part of our RPI not moving up or being higher was conference related and I don't expect it to be that way this upcoming season. If we were a top 5 team every year then I would support something much more difficult but we aren't and having a couple of cupcakes is good for figuring out rotations and getting some younger guys experience before the conference grind.
 
I agree with you. That schedule difficulty would be #1 overall non conference and like you said would be nearly impossible to put together in getting all those teams to agree to play at Mackey. It would take very minor tweaks to improve last year's schedule and a major change like suggested wouldn't be necessary. Part of our RPI not moving up or being higher was conference related and I don't expect it to be that way this upcoming season. If we were a top 5 team every year then I would support something much more difficult but we aren't and having a couple of cupcakes is good for figuring out rotations and getting some younger guys experience before the conference grind.
Name teams want a larger guarantee and Purdue and Painter do try to help lower level programs that need the money and the exposure.
 
Look, really solid teams aren't exactly blowing Elliot Bloom's phone up wanting to play at Mackey Arena. If you can't wrap your head around that, and why that's the case, I don't know what to tell you. Can someone please back me up on this and confirm that the proposed schedule above is absolutely ridiculous? Anyone?
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How do you know? Do you spend a lot of time around or interacting with Elliot Bloom?
 
I agree with you. That schedule difficulty would be #1 overall non conference and like you said would be nearly impossible to put together in getting all those teams to agree to play at Mackey. It would take very minor tweaks to improve last year's schedule and a major change like suggested wouldn't be necessary. Part of our RPI not moving up or being higher was conference related and I don't expect it to be that way this upcoming season. If we were a top 5 team every year then I would support something much more difficult but we aren't and having a couple of cupcakes is good for figuring out rotations and getting some younger guys experience before the conference grind.

I don't think it would be the #1 overall SOS, despite you and the other guy's claims.

My hypothetical schedule has several teams that are very beatable: Green Bay, Monmouth (I believe they are losing one or two of their top scorers), Tennessee, Dayton (who's losing three or four of their best players) Valparaiso (who's losing their best player, along with one or two other contributors) Butler (who's losing four seniors of note), Pittsburgh (who's losing four or five of their top players), and Illinois State (who's losing three of their top six players).

I don't think most of these opponents would be quite as difficult to schedule as some would think. For example, Illinois State head coach Dan Muller sent out a tweet basically saying that they would like to schedule as many quality major conference opponents as they can for next season (after narrowly missing out on an NCAA Tournament bid this past season).
 
How do you know? Do you spend a lot of time around or interacting with Elliot Bloom?
hahaha. I think I'm realizing, as many others on here have as well, that it's very difficult to have a discussion with you. I've never met Bloom. All I can go off is past evidence, and it shows that good teams aren't coming to Mackey in droves. Either Bloom isn't working hard enough to get those teams to visit us or those teams don't want to play in one of the most hostile gyms in the country. Common sense tells me to lean toward the latter.
 
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hahaha. I think I'm realizing, as many others on here have as well, that it's very difficult to have a discussion with you. I've never met Bloom. All I can go off is past evidence, and it shows that good teams aren't coming to Mackey in droves. Either Bloom isn't working hard enough to get those teams to visit us or those teams don't want to play in one of the most hostile gyms in the country. Common sense tells me to lean toward the latter.

It is if you don't really have any basis or details supporting your claims. Also, anyone can use that as a default statement if one side can't get the other side to agree with them and vice-versa.

As I mentioned above, most of the teams I proposed are not likely to be quite as good as you believe they will be, due to graduation and other forms of attrition. The perception of Mackey Arena being a difficult venue for opponents to play in is certainly valid, but I'm sure there are still plenty of "mid" or "high-major" non-conference opponents that aren't scared off by that perception (not as many as you think).
 
I don't think most of these opponents would be quite as difficult to schedule as some would think. For example, Illinois State head coach Dan Muller sent out a tweet basically saying that they would like to schedule as many quality major conference opponents as they can for next season (after narrowly missing out on an NCAA Tournament bid this past season).

Muller's tweet that he'd play any P5 team said he wants it as part of a home & home series. Dayton has played P5 schools the last few years as home & home deals. That means getting Pitt, Dayton, and Illinois State at home this year would most likely mean having to play those 3 on the road the following season.

Even if you could find a way to talk them down to 2-for-1s, that is what makes scheduling quality mid-majors difficult. The economic & future scheduling flexibility ramifications almost always favor buying a low-major home game instead.
 
Muller's tweet that he'd play any P5 team said he wants it as part of a home & home series. Dayton has played P5 schools the last few years as home & home deals. That means getting Pitt, Dayton, and Illinois State at home this year would most likely mean having to play those 3 on the road the following season.

Even if you could find a way to talk them down to 2-for-1s, that is what makes scheduling quality mid-majors difficult. The economic & future scheduling flexibility ramifications almost always favor buying a low-major home game instead.

good points

How many home-and-home deals (doesn't have to be the teams I listed as hypothetical opponents) do you think Bloom and Purdue basketball can make for (and starting) next season?
 
good points

How many home-and-home deals (doesn't have to be the teams I listed as hypothetical opponents) do you think Bloom and Purdue basketball can make for (and starting) next season?

My memory could very well be wrong, but I can only remember ever playing 2 true road games in a single non-conf season. The ACC/B1G challenge is a potential road game every season which complicates things.

Without any real knowledge about how the deals get made, I guess that means you could potentially have 2 h&h's setup at any given time if you have a home game for one and an away game for the other each season.

If you really want to maximize the level of competition (as opposed to revenue) in a year where you get a home game in the B1G/ACC, maybe you could get creative & go on the road as part of a 2-for-1 somehow, but things get really tricky really quickly.
 
"My memory could very well be wrong, but I can only remember ever playing 2 true road games in a single non-conf season."

I'm assuming you mean since Painter's tenure began?
 
good points

How many home-and-home deals (doesn't have to be the teams I listed as hypothetical opponents) do you think Bloom and Purdue basketball can make for (and starting) next season?
Schools like Purdue do no more than one home and home per season. The reason being is they are trying to maximize the number of home games each year in order to maximize revenue. Unless that dynamic changes, Purdue will play in an exempt tournament, a neutral site game at the Crossroads classic and typically home and road games in the B1G/ACC and Gavitt games series.

There is no room for other road games, which is what a home and home would require.
 
Schools like Purdue do no more than one home and home per season. The reason being is they are trying to maximize the number of home games each year in order to maximize revenue. Unless that dynamic changes, Purdue will play in an exempt tournament, a neutral site game at the Crossroads classic and typically home and road games in the B1G/ACC and Gavitt games series.

There is no room for other road games, which is what a home and home would require.

Yes, that's pretty much the way it's been in place since Painter's been the HC but that doesn't mean that that business model for revenue is unable to be tweaked a little bit in the near future.
 
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We play 3 top 5 teams? Seriously?

I'm assuming you're joking because if you read that post, you should know that it's all hypothetical. If just going by logic (and taking out the marketability factor) North Carolina (ACC reg. season champs) would be Purdue's (B1G reg. season champs) opponent at Mackey Arena for the B1G/ACC Challenge. Villanova and Arizona are both in the Battle 4 Atlantis tournament, but the draw and results would obviously have to play out in that particular way for the Boilers to play both of them.
 
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