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I've seen posts on this subject on at least 4 recent threads. I thought it might be time to be honest and also open about the Phrase negativity and negative posting.

My definition of those two phrases are as follows.

I consider negativity or negative posting as badmouthing or degrading a person. Calling a person names and questioning their intelligence. telling a person to stop posting or to take the Summer off from posting. Trying to bully a person. When you don't agree with a person's viewpoint or opinion, you attack the person, rather than that person's post. You find fault with the person, rather than that person's ideas. To me , calling a person an idiot or douchebag is a negative post. you respond to a small fact rather than the point of the post. or you become an instant English professor and correct their gramma..er !

We have many people who post on this board that are former players, coaches and current players and scouts. Many of those coaches and former players often see a recruit play and can provide a more accurate evaluation / description of their talent level, and also their strengths and weaknesses. And unfortunately, sometimes those evaluations can be critical and negative in nature. However, there are many recruiting services and draft evaluation services and pro scouts who are paid very good money to make those evaluations whether good or bad.

I don't consider a post that provides an evaluation / assessment of a player to be a negative post. Not all assessments are going to be positive. but the majority of them are meant to be constructive. My son received one of those evaluations. Like thousands of others, he played AAU basketball and went to Coach K and Coach Weber's camps in the hopes of being noticed. He had a lot of good qualities, but he also had a lot of bad qualities. He was 6'4 and played center and had no outside game. and his ball handling ability wasn't great. He still received offers from Division 2 schools. He chose a DIv 1 offer in track instead and has become somewhat successful..

I surf the internet a lot. I read a lot of evaluations and speculative scouting reports on players. You can go to NBA Draftnet and many other sites and read comprehensive scouting reports made on high school players. That is why I do not consider speculative or assessment posts posted here as negative posts. I consider them as free scouting reports. Rather than paying for the information from professional scouts at ESPN Insider etc, I read the free posts at sites like this, knowing there is always somebody who will post the insider info.

and then there are old and forgetful people who get their facts wrong. they don't do it on purpose. A friendly reminder or correction is appreciated.

These are my opinions. if you bash somebody or bully them, I consider you a negative poster. And there are a lot of posters on the internet that fall into that category, including a few on this board. but if you provide speculative posts, or player assessments which may point out a weakness, I don't consider that post or poster being negative. I consider that poster to be intelligent and informative. I don't consider my posts as negative. I admit I'm often wrong.

that's where I'm coming from .. Agree ? Disagree? I welcome your opinions.
 
I see the context of that other thread is still lost on you and nag. Not really all that surprising considering you are being stubborn and just can't admit you were wrong. And it's under your skin so much that you had to go and post a thread about being called out over it.

There is negativity and the context it is posted in. Context falls right in line with your first paragraph and that is what is being called out. How can you seriously essentially keep ignoring that a parent of a current player took the time to post here about the impact of the negativity that is posted here?

And as to your last line, 'if you bash someone, or bully someone I consider you a negative poster' well, you pretty much summed up the negative posts towards CMP. Ironically no less.
 
I've seen posts on this subject on at least 4 recent threads. I thought it might be time to be honest and also open about the Phrase negativity and negative posting.

My definition of those two phrases are as follows.

I consider negativity or negative posting as badmouthing or degrading a person. Calling a person names and questioning their intelligence. telling a person to stop posting or to take the Summer off from posting. Trying to bully a person. When you don't agree with a person's viewpoint or opinion, you attack the person, rather than that person's post. You find fault with the person, rather than that person's ideas. To me , calling a person an idiot or douchebag is a negative post. you respond to a small fact rather than the point of the post. or you become an instant English professor and correct their gramma..er !

We have many people who post on this board that are former players, coaches and current players and scouts. Many of those coaches and former players often see a recruit play and can provide a more accurate evaluation / description of their talent level, and also their strengths and weaknesses. And unfortunately, sometimes those evaluations can be critical and negative in nature. However, there are many recruiting services and draft evaluation services and pro scouts who are paid very good money to make those evaluations whether good or bad.

I don't consider a post that provides an evaluation / assessment of a player to be a negative post. Not all assessments are going to be positive. but the majority of them are meant to be constructive. My son received one of those evaluations. Like thousands of others, he played AAU basketball and went to Coach K and Coach Weber's camps in the hopes of being noticed. He had a lot of good qualities, but he also had a lot of bad qualities. He was 6'4 and played center and had no outside game. and his ball handling ability wasn't great. He still received offers from Division 2 schools. He chose a DIv 1 offer in track instead and has become somewhat successful..

I surf the internet a lot. I read a lot of evaluations and speculative scouting reports on players. You can go to NBA Draftnet and many other sites and read comprehensive scouting reports made on high school players. That is why I do not consider speculative or assessment posts posted here as negative posts. I consider them as free scouting reports. Rather than paying for the information from professional scouts at ESPN Insider etc, I read the free posts at sites like this, knowing there is always somebody who will post the insider info.

and then there are old and forgetful people who get their facts wrong. they don't do it on purpose. A friendly reminder or correction is appreciated.

These are my opinions. if you bash somebody or bully them, I consider you a negative poster. And there are a lot of posters on the internet that fall into that category, including a few on this board. but if you provide speculative posts, or player assessments which may point out a weakness, I don't consider that post or poster being negative. I consider that poster to be intelligent and informative. I don't consider my posts as negative. I admit I'm often wrong.

that's where I'm coming from .. Agree ? Disagree? I welcome your opinions.
I've not weighed in on this, but to me negative is negative and positive is positive and all are relative to the item at hand. I can deal with either. I do not think it is proper to be "harsh" on any player Purdue is after or who has signed, because ALL are better than we were and are what they are. Where I struggle and I try to keep it to myself are comments without much reasoning...just blanket comments without any supporting information that flies in the face of what I know...more along the lines of "basketball" theory and practice unaware of the pros and cons of each side. I know this is a forum for all to participate and like watching a ballgame...each comes away with a different understanding.

I do NOT think a coach is the total reason for why a player goes to a certain school, but is a factor. I do NOT think star power is the total story...although it is an indicator that has a decent positive correlation based upon "individual offensive" abilities void of the defensive and mental side of the game which are also important.

I can't begin to imagine ALL the players that are "GOOD" and selecting who is better for your team outside of the truly elite top ten players and such..particularly knowing how important the "other" things are that are NOT rated once you get past the mighty few.
 
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You owe me a new keyboard from me spitting coffee in laughter over this :)
I'm a lifetime purdue alumni association member and long time jpc supporter, and will continue both. These threads about who's a good fan or has the right attitude make me want to choke people.
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I'm a lifetime purdue alumni association member and long time jpc supporter, and will continue both. These threads about who's a good fan or has the right attitude make me want to choke people.
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Exactly right. Everyone has a right to their own opinion whether we like what they say or how they say it.

Unless they are IU fans, of course.
 
Of course if people don't like what you say (or how you word things) they just accuse you of being an IU fan. No, some of us just suck at choosing wording appropriately.

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Ha so very true. Get me really drunk, take out my teeth and I would sound a little like an IU fan I bet.

Or I could just ask if you want fries with that. ;)
 
I see the context of that other thread is still lost on you and nag. Not really all that surprising considering you are being stubborn and just can't admit you were wrong. And it's under your skin so much that you had to go and post a thread about being called out over it.

There is negativity and the context it is posted in. Context falls right in line with your first paragraph and that is what is being called out. How can you seriously essentially keep ignoring that a parent of a current player took the time to post here about the impact of the negativity that is posted here?

And as to your last line, 'if you bash someone, or bully someone I consider you a negative poster' well, you pretty much summed up the negative posts towards CMP. Ironically no less.

...says the person who probably posted as Treed67. You're really a troll, aren't you? Is this Aaron Schall again, back with another handle on the free board?
 
I am a person who has a strong positive attitude, so I rarely feel sad. When bad things happen to me, I think of them as learning experiences towards my dream. When good things happen to me, I think of it as a bonus to my life. However, being positive doesn't stop me from giving bad evaluation on the coaches, just like most of us, I like to ask how Purdue can become top tier academic and athletics programs. And, top tier isn't just about being in top 25 on annual basis, when is our "moment" going to be? but, I leave these in other threads.

I am qualified of having a subjective opinion because I have no personal ties to basketball coaches, family, friends. I don't grow up in Indiana, and I don't live in Indiana. I would not want to live in Indiana because it's a poor and boring state. A lot of poster can't because they have ties to these things, I suspect. I am looking at Purdue basketball outside the box just a New Yorker or Californian. I judge based on history/trends of Purdue basketball.

So, bottom line is, you can have positive thinking by giving bad evaluations, because you care. I don't have issues with negativity because they happen everywhere like in my company. Lesson learnt are often needed to make you achieve greatness.

I just have problem with offensive/defensive people.
 
In response to a question/comment posed, I chose to start this thread, because I've seen a lot of related comments finding their way into other threads and taking those threads off topic. I see a problem and believe we need to discuss it for what it is rather than make it part of a discussion about a specific player or zone defense. Rather than being stubborn, I felt this topic needed additional discussion to learn both sides of the issue. My viewpoints have changed on many issues through the exchange of ideas and opinions.

I see some of you agree and some disagree. and some of you provided civil responses, while others posted your typical replies. and I respect those who disagree with me, and can reply in a civil manner.

Sometimes speculation leads to trends, and trends lead to increased data, trials and improved results. Sometimes you need wild speculation mixed in with facts to create a better result. Orville Reddinbacker was one of those type of people. he used Purdue as his research center, and I ate his new and improved popping corn before America did. Facts and stats are great, but you need a few speculative dreamers as well.

thanks for viewing and the civil comments made.
 
...says the person who probably posted as Treed67. You're really a troll, aren't you? Is this Aaron Schall again, back with another handle on the free board?
You need to work harder at posts like this because you fell flat. If there is anyone on here that has a reason fro multiple ID's it's you. Simply because you have a need for people to agree with you and very few do.

Keep working at it.
 
I am a person who has a strong positive attitude, so I rarely feel sad. When bad things happen to me, I think of them as learning experiences towards my dream. When good things happen to me, I think of it as a bonus to my life. However, being positive doesn't stop me from giving bad evaluation on the coaches, just like most of us, I like to ask how Purdue can become top tier academic and athletics programs. And, top tier isn't just about being in top 25 on annual basis, when is our "moment" going to be? but, I leave these in other threads.

I am qualified of having a subjective opinion because I have no personal ties to basketball coaches, family, friends. I don't grow up in Indiana, and I don't live in Indiana. I would not want to live in Indiana because it's a poor and boring state. A lot of poster can't because they have ties to these things, I suspect. I am looking at Purdue basketball outside the box just a New Yorker or Californian. I judge based on history/trends of Purdue basketball.

So, bottom line is, you can have positive thinking by giving bad evaluations, because you care. I don't have issues with negativity because they happen everywhere like in my company. Lesson learnt are often needed to make you achieve greatness.

I just have problem with offensive/defensive people.


I am a positive person also...but the sky is falling and has fallen here over and over.

Now, what's for lunch?
 
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I'm going to be honest I didn't read a single post in this thread. But based off the title I am going to assume people do not agree with each other.

Actually, most agree, but have different ways to state their views. That tends to muddy the waters and start conflict. If we develop a way to look at ourselves in the mirror, followed by conflict training, we can work it out and share this agreement I mention.
 
You need to work harder at posts like this because you fell flat. If there is anyone on here that has a reason fro multiple ID's it's you. Simply because you have a need for people to agree with you and very few do.

Keep working at it.

nice deflection

If it fell flat, why did you respond? Also, what do you add to this board? All of the posts I see from you are just ones where you are attempting to ridicule others. You fit wolegib's definition of someone that ONLY brings negativity to this board.
 
nice deflection

If it fell flat, why did you respond? Also, what do you add to this board? All of the posts I see from you are just ones where you are attempting to ridicule others. You fit wolegib's definition of someone that ONLY brings negativity to this board.
Didn't deflect anything. I have already added more to this board than you every have because all your posts are essentially either ripping CMP or other posters for calling you out on things. Why else do you think your mocked so much on here with the whole 'zone' topic? You have yet to post anything worthwhile here and offer less than the iu trolls that come here to visit. They are at least obvious in their intent and at times entertaining.

It's pretty clear I am on the right track with you since I have gotten under your skin. You constantly post negative things either about CMP or other posters here and as proof by your responses here, whine about it when called out. I single you out because I give you what you have done to so many others on here for some time now and it is long overdue.

The majority of my posts are non-negative by this threads standards unless the person I mention brings it upon themselves. You want to have civil discussions? I am all for that, just stop acting like a douche. Which we all know is a tall order for you.
 
Thanks for providing some great examples of immaturity, negativity and negative posting.
 
Thanks for providing some great examples of immaturity, negativity and negative posting.
Well that is why I quoted nag as he covers all of those, so you're welcome. My 'negative' posts have only come in response to what others post. So if that is how you have perceived my responses to you, take at look at what you post then.

Also if you think the 'names' I have used here are considered bad, you haven't been on the internet very long.

I think my point has been made in this thread so I am not going to comment further, but you might want to get thicker skin if this is how you are going to react to people calling you things and questioning your posts on here.
 
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I believe this thread has proven its point. When asking for an open discussion, we still have arguments, name calling and immature, nonrelated posts from people trying to be funny. Half of the posts were off topic. and included a lot of misspelled words.

In starting this thread, I mentioned no names. I didn't attempt to single anybody out. However, people thought I was talking about them and felt compelled to reply. My message was simply when a person posts, no matter what is said, or how it is said, people will interpret it and react to it differently. A new basketball player's mom felt compelled to speak of the negativity on this board. But each of us reacted to her message differently. Was she reacting to those who call others names and are rude and immature? or was she reacting to those who addressed fault in her son's game? the truth is, we'll never know.

We each have our own ideas/opinions as to the direction we want Purdue basketball to take. We each hopefully want the same final achievement/goal. I have found in life there are many ways to achieve the same goal. We need to find a way to accept others with differing opinions, or this board will die.

I was once an active poster of the ESPN forum/board. ESPN shut the entire sports forum down because it became too negative with hatred spewed out towards other posters in almost every thread. Rather than sports talk, it became name calling. I was also a very active poster of the Purdue gridiron form. I have the last post on the football recruiting page of that forum. it was a very positive post. But the forum died because of lack of interest and anything to say. A lot of those posters either died or came here. I was part of a baseball forum on realgm where a poster became so fed up with the personal attacks, he formed his own forum which now dwarfs the readership of the realgm forum. and his forum is free, private and moderated, and provides more information about the brewers than any pay site.

Ask yourselves, how did hammer and rails and 24/7 get their start? Do you berate others in life outside this forum? Do you look for their faults too? if the personal attacks continue, people will go elsewhere. history has a habit of repeating itself.

thanks for the inputs.
 
I believe this thread has proven its point. When asking for an open discussion, we still have arguments, name calling and immature, nonrelated posts from people trying to be funny. Half of the posts were off topic. and included a lot of misspelled words.

In starting this thread, I mentioned no names. I didn't attempt to single anybody out. However, people thought I was talking about them and felt compelled to reply. My message was simply when a person posts, no matter what is said, or how it is said, people will interpret it and react to it differently. A new basketball player's mom felt compelled to speak of the negativity on this board. But each of us reacted to her message differently. Was she reacting to those who call others names and are rude and immature? or was she reacting to those who addressed fault in her son's game? the truth is, we'll never know.

We each have our own ideas/opinions as to the direction we want Purdue basketball to take. We each hopefully want the same final achievement/goal. I have found in life there are many ways to achieve the same goal. We need to find a way to accept others with differing opinions, or this board will die.

I was once an active poster of the ESPN forum/board. ESPN shut the entire sports forum down because it became too negative with hatred spewed out towards other posters in almost every thread. Rather than sports talk, it became name calling. I was also a very active poster of the Purdue gridiron form. I have the last post on the football recruiting page of that forum. it was a very positive post. But the forum died because of lack of interest and anything to say. A lot of those posters either died or came here. I was part of a baseball forum on realgm where a poster became so fed up with the personal attacks, he formed his own forum which now dwarfs the readership of the realgm forum. and his forum is free, private and moderated, and provides more information about the brewers than any pay site.

Ask yourselves, how did hammer and rails and 24/7 get their start? Do you berate others in life outside this forum? Do you look for their faults too? if the personal attacks continue, people will go elsewhere. history has a habit of repeating itself.

thanks for the inputs.
Come on now, bringing up internet grammar is kida silli. :p

I get what you've been trying to say but honestly IMO you're trying to police a site that allows the free board to run amok and change the culture of the internet and it just isn't going to work. Trust me I am a reformed troller that learned some time ago that taking this site and what people post at me too seriously is just a waste of time. My views are MY views and the only person that can change them is me.

And I agree on your stance on name calling but to be fair, most of the stuff here is tame. Especially when you compare it to other sites which doesn't mean I condone it, it could just be much......much.... Worse.

My issue comes in when people yell for the coach to be fired without giving much of a reason other than THEIR expectations not being met. There just is no perfect coach that is going to walk through the door and until we have a consistent downswing in the program, he isn't going anywhere so I just don't see why some feel the need to bash instead of support.

Again those are my views and nothing more. If people disagree that is fine with me. There is nothing they will say that will change my mind.
 
I will admit I've seen a lot of coach firing posts. That's not my scene. I've seen so many coaches fired and their replacements were even worse. and on the other hand, I've seen so many coaches fired, who enjoyed success elsewhere. I thought Weber was a good coach. Firing him didn't make any difference at Illinois. I thought Lee Rose was the greatest Purdue coach in my lifetime. I still do - even better than Fred Schaus and Keady. but his stay at Purdue was short and he left. I would have loved to have Steve Alford as a coach as would many current IU alumni for their school. Would Stallings be better than Painter? I doubt it. Could Pitino or Calipari bring a championship to Purdue? Maybe, at a cost we cannot afford to pay. Painter can't shoot FTs for his players.

I'm also not into game thread posting or talk about zone defense.

I have my own interests. and I don't post one every topic.
 
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Didn't deflect anything. I have already added more to this board than you every have because all your posts are essentially either ripping CMP or other posters for calling you out on things. Why else do you think your mocked so much on here with the whole 'zone' topic? You have yet to post anything worthwhile here and offer less than the iu trolls that come here to visit. They are at least obvious in their intent and at times entertaining.

It's pretty clear I am on the right track with you since I have gotten under your skin. You constantly post negative things either about CMP or other posters here and as proof by your responses here, whine about it when called out. I single you out because I give you what you have done to so many others on here for some time now and it is long overdue.

The majority of my posts are non-negative by this threads standards unless the person I mention brings it upon themselves. You want to have civil discussions? I am all for that, just stop acting like a douche. Which we all know is a tall order for you.

No, I'm pretty sure I've posted on this board longer than you have and anyone that has followed this board regularly for the last several years knows that I make positive contributions as well. I admit that I have "negative" criticisms at times but to act like that's all I post shows how off-base and/or unaware (or wishing it was true) you are about my time posting on this board.
 
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