NCAA SEEDING?

[Boilawyer]

Does a win or a loss tomorrow make a difference for Purdue's NCAA seeding? It looks like the general consensus is that Purdue will be a 4 seed, not considering today's win over Mich. If Purdue wins, will they move up to a 3? If they lose, will they stay at a 4 or go down to a 5.

Win, I say they move up to a 3 by a convincing win over a likely NCAAT team in Mich. and a win over #2 MSU (currently up by 12 over MD) or very good MD team.
Lose, I say they stay at a 4, convincing win over Mich plus a loss to a quality BIG team is a wash.

 

[Boileratthebeach]

I think we get a #3 seed with a win and a #4 seed with a lose. We are probably the top 4 seed now and I expect that to maintain even with a loss.

 

[depthcharge623]

CBS currently predicts us at a 3 seed, according to something they showed during the game. Personally I think we deserve a 3 seed no matter what happens tomorrow. I think we are a top 12 team in the country right now (we have won 5 straight games, 3 against possible tournament teams, and one against a top 25 team). There aren't 12 teams in the country better than us right now, imho. But then again, my opinion (based on flawless logic of course) is worthless.

 

[lbodel]

Does a win or a loss tomorrow make a difference for Purdue's NCAA seeding? It looks like the general consensus is that Purdue will be a 4 seed, not considering today's win over Mich. If Purdue wins, will they move up to a 3? If they lose, will they stay at a 4 or go down to a 5.

Win, I say they move up to a 3 by a convincing win over a likely NCAAT team in Mich. and a win over #2 MSU (currently up by 12 over MD) or very good MD team.
Lose, I say they stay at a 4, convincing win over Mich plus a loss to a quality BIG team is a wash.

There's obviously a lot of factors. I don't think at this point we'll be worse than a 4 no matter what (both teams we play tomorrow are top 20 teams).

I think right now we're probably the "highest" 4 seed, which means we'll get that ambiguous "home court" advantage. There really is no super close first round sites, closest being St. Louis. However, Chicago is a regional site.

I think we could very well end up a "low" 3 no matter what happens tomorrow.

To get that 3, we probably could use some help including Oregon beating #12 Utah. IU losing helps.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

CBS currently predicts us at a 3 seed, according to something they showed during the game. Personally I think we deserve a 3 seed no matter what happens tomorrow. I think we are a top 12 team in the country right now (we have won 5 straight games, 3 against possible tournament teams, and one against a top 25 team). There aren't 12 teams in the country better than us right now, imho. But then again, my opinion (based on flawless logic of course) is worthless.

Saw that too, Depth. I'm thinking Purdue might be a #3 as well, regardless. Depending upon what might happen in other tournaments, Michigan State (if they keep it up in the second half) is a solid #2, possibly a #1 seed. Just a guess that Indiana is a #3/4 and Maryland is a #4/5. I think Michigan gets in the field along with Iowa and Wisconsin.

The conference should be well-represented and has a chance to get a few teams into the Regionals.

We'll see.

 

[lbodel]

CBS currently predicts us at a 3 seed, according to something they showed during the game. Personally I think we deserve a 3 seed no matter what happens tomorrow. I think we are a top 12 team in the country right now (we have won 5 straight games, 3 against possible tournament teams, and one against a top 25 team). There aren't 12 teams in the country better than us right now, imho. But then again, my opinion (based on flawless logic of course) is worthless.

Lunardi still has us as a 4, although he actually has us playing Maryland in the 2nd round...which won't happen (although bracket prediction match-ups are not necessarily something to pay attention to).

Although as we all know, the tournament is heavily about match-ups. I'd rather be a "high" 4 with a more favorable bracket than a "low" 3 with a more challenging bracket. And I think I'd take playing Villanova, which we would probably be in their bracket as a 4, but as a 3, probably not.

 

[proudopete]

There's obviously a lot of factors. I don't think at this point we'll be worse than a 4 no matter what (both teams we play tomorrow are top 20 teams).

I think right now we're probably the "highest" 4 seed, which means we'll get that ambiguous "home court" advantage. There really is no super close first round sites, closest being St. Louis. However, Chicago is a regional site.

I think we could very well end up a "low" 3 no matter what happens tomorrow.

To get that 3, we probably could use some help including Oregon beating #12 Utah. IU losing helps.

Maryland and MSU are right ahead of us in the RPI. We are at 16 and SMU at 12 can't dance. So one if the two teams we look to face tomorrow will probably drop with today's loss and the second if we can win tomorrow.

So we are looking at a probable 3 if we win and a 4 if not.

Had we played Iowa and IU instead of the underdogs. Then we would have been a 3 today I think.

 

[02Boilermaker]

Just looking at the bracketmatrix aggregate rankings, I would say IU & Miami are vulnerable 3's (they have more wins & better % vs top 50/100, but both have 3 losses to sub 100 teams).

Purdue, Kentucky, Texas A&M, and Maryland are the 4's and are all still alive as of right now (UK & Mary losing at the moment). I think any of those teams would have a good case for a 3-seed with a conf tourney title.

 

[TC4THREE]

Lunardi still has us as a 4, although he actually has us playing Maryland in the 2nd round...which won't happen (although bracket prediction match-ups are not necessarily something to pay attention to).

Although as we all know, the tournament is heavily about match-ups. I'd rather be a "high" 4 with a more favorable bracket than a "low" 3 with a more challenging bracket. And I think I'd take playing Villanova, which we would probably be in their bracket as a 4, but as a 3, probably not.

Correct. It's all about matchups. One thing getting a 4 seed instead of a 3 would probably guarantee is that we wouldn't run into West Virginia until a regional final since they should be a 2 or 3. That's the one team everyone always brings up as a matchup that would be terrible for us and I happen to agree. I also happen to think we would matchup well with UNC or a host of other top seeds.

 

[Mo1239]

There's no way you could actually watch us play and not think this wasn't a top 10 team in the country. Frankly, if we beat Michigan State, we should be strongly considered for a #2 seed. We'll have avenged 3 of our 7 losses, and we are peaking at the exact right time. Tournament champions of the best conference in college basketball has to mean something more than a 4-seed.

Beyond that, I don't want to see us get a 4-seed and for the seemingly umpteenth time meet a #1 ranked Kansas in the tournament. We all know that ends in a bitter, close loss.

 

[PBoiler84]

Not necessarily....when we won the BTT in 2009, I think we ended up as a 4 seed that year if I recall. These tournaments typically do not help the winner as much as you would think. However, I do believe if we beat Sparty, we should be at least a 3 seed and won't be lower than a 4 if we lose.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

I personally think, unless we're blown out, we are a 3 seed either way. I think tomorrow means more for MSU than us. I think they're playing for a #1 seed or #2 if we beat them.

 

[lbodel]

There's no way you could actually watch us play and not think this wasn't a top 10 team in the country. Frankly, if we beat Michigan State, we should be strongly considered for a #2 seed. We'll have avenged 3 of our 7 losses, and we are peaking at the exact right time. Tournament champions of the best conference in college basketball has to mean something more than a 4-seed.

Beyond that, I don't want to see us get a 4-seed and for the seemingly umpteenth time meet a #1 ranked Kansas in the tournament. We all know that ends in a bitter, close loss.

Not sure if I'd go that far. Purdue has been playing well, but not against great competition. We've avoided the higher seed in each of our match-ups in the tournament.

That doesn't mean Purdue CAN'T be that good or they aren't.....but we still have consistency issues. If Purdue beat Iowa, then IU, then Michigan State to win the Big Ten Tournament - I'd agree on the #2 seed. But because they beat Illinois and Michigan, I don't think I'd consider them for a 2 if they do beat MSU.

 

[Schnelk]

I like the optimism Bulldog. Alot!

 

[lbodel]

Correct. It's all about matchups. One thing getting a 4 seed instead of a 3 would probably guarantee is that we wouldn't run into West Virginia until a regional final since they should be a 2 or 3. That's the one team everyone always brings up as a matchup that would be terrible for us and I happen to agree. I also happen to think we would matchup well with UNC or a host of other top seeds.

I mean, there are not really any teams out there that's just amazingly better than everyone else. There's some very good teams out there, but there hasn't been a real consistent top tier of teams for a reason. If we're "on" we can play with anyone. That's an "if" though.

I'd be interested to see what the committee does with WVU. Obviously last year, we happened to play Cincy, which was a very similar style team to us in the tournament. However, obviously Cincy wasn't constantly pointed out as a "challenge" to Purdue. Not sure if the constant bringing up of WVU being Purdue's "kryptonite" will lead the committee to avoid them in our same bracket or not.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Joey "Brackets" is really good at getting the field right, but he's had his "whiffs" over seeding at times.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Playing for a 3 seed, IMO.

Purdue win: MSU 2, Purdue 3, IU 4, Maryland 5.
MSU win: MSU 1, Purdue 4, IU 4, Maryland 5.

I could see IU on the 3 line, depends on if they get penalized for not winning a CT game or not.

Iowa's probably a 6 or 7.
Wisconsin a 10.

 

[PU pit bull]

I said this earlier, but Mike Decourcy had PU as a 6 if they lost today, otherwise a 4 or 5.............LOL

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Not necessarily....when we won the BTT in 2009, I think we ended up as a 4 seed that year if I recall. These tournaments typically do not help the winner as much as you would think. However, I do believe if we beat Sparty, we should be at least a 3 seed and won't be lower than a 4 if we lose.

Yes......and played the 5-seed Washington out west to ultimately get the top seed, UConn. I think Purdue went 11-7 in conference that year and had some tough losses, however.

This year might be a little different just because a lot of the teams in the 3-6 lines are tightly bunched as to resume.....we'll see. It's all speculation......next week puts all of this aside.

 

[bunkF]

CBS currently predicts us at a 3 seed, according to something they showed during the game. Personally I think we deserve a 3 seed no matter what happens tomorrow. I think we are a top 12 team in the country right now (we have won 5 straight games, 3 against possible tournament teams, and one against a top 25 team). There aren't 12 teams in the country better than us right now, imho. But then again, my opinion (based on flawless logic of course) is worthless.

So, the Big Ten regular season means nothing?

 

[Gemini95]

1. Tomorrow's result means nothing. It happens too late. There's no way for them to reconfigure the bracket in the last hour.
2. I think we will be strongly considered for a 3 seed, but probably end up as a 4. Which means Kansas, UNC, or Nova' bracket. I'll take my chances with any of those.
3. I think IU is locked into a 3. You can't drop a team that won the B1G by 2 games below that.

 

[threeeputtt]

Win the next seven games and all of this is moot.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I said this earlier, but Mike Decourcy had PU as a 6 if they lost today, otherwise a 4 or 5.............LOL

That clown is a bigger fraud than our illustrious AD.

 

[Erock_94]

#2 with a win tomorrow

 

[Gemini95]

#2 with a win tomorrow

Zero chance

 

[Do Dah Day]

2 - WV, MSU, Ore, Okl
3 - Ky, Xavier, Utah, Miami
4 - Duke, PU, IU, TX A&M

If MSU and we were one seed apart, they could switch us based on the game, but two seeds apart is too far apart and would mess up too much to rearrange in an hour.

A&M - Kentucky may switch based on who wins their game.

 

[honey_badger]

they could get a 2 now IF and only IF they bury MSU by 20 or more.

 

[lbodel]

1. Tomorrow's result means nothing. It happens too late. There's no way for them to reconfigure the bracket in the last hour.
2. I think we will be strongly considered for a 3 seed, but probably end up as a 4. Which means Kansas, UNC, or Nova' bracket. I'll take my chances with any of those.
3. I think IU is locked into a 3. You can't drop a team that won the B1G by 2 games below that.

It's not a matter of them "reconfiguring" it. They have an option for Case #1 and Case #2. Now, sometimes the outcome just doesn't matter - no matter what team wins, their seeding won't change.

However, with Villanova losing today, if MSU wins tomorrow, they will probably be a #1 seed. If they don't, not sure.

The NCAA committee has adjusted seeding based on the Big Ten Tournament championship game before. It's just not true that the game's outcome doesn't matter.

 

[Erock_94]

It just wishful thinking honey_douche. Don't matter as long as they go deeper than your loosiers

 

[honey_badger]

It just wishful thinking honey_douche. Don't matter as long as they go deeper than your loosiers

we wont have a problem getting past anyone in the first 3 games of the tourney with a 3 seed. But a four see will put us against the #1 seed, and we need to avoid that like the plague or holocaust or the Iroquois Theatre disaster in 1903 Chicago.

 

[Erock_94]

Iu troll go home

 

[TC4THREE]

Everyone talking 2 seed here is as crazy as those IU fans that thought they could get a 1. I think you can argue us as a 3 or 4 and I'm not sure the game tomorrow will count for much in terms of our seeding. They may flip MSU from a 1 to a 2 or vice versa based on tomorrow but I don't think they will mess with us. If they have us as a 3 at the end of today I think that's where we end up and the same holds true if they have us as a 4 right now.

 

[Gemini95]

It's not a matter of them "reconfiguring" it. They have an option for Case #1 and Case #2. Now, sometimes the outcome just doesn't matter - no matter what team wins, their seeding won't change.

However, with Villanova losing today, if MSU wins tomorrow, they will probably be a #1 seed. If they don't, not sure.

The NCAA committee has adjusted seeding based on the Big Ten Tournament championship game before. It's just not true that the game's outcome doesn't matter.

Yes it is. They say it every year. If MSU is going to be a 1 seed, they are already. And we arent jumping them with a win.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Everyone talking 2 seed here is as crazy as those IU fans that thought they could get a 1. I think you can argue us as a 3 or 4 and I'm not sure the game tomorrow will count for much in terms of our seeding. They may flip MSU from a 1 to a 2 or vice versa based on tomorrow but I don't think they will mess with us. If they have us as a 3 at the end of today I think that's where we end up and the same holds true if they have us as a 4 right now.

If the goal is the final four, and ours should be, it makes almost no difference between a 3 and a 4 seed. If we're a 4, we have to beat a 1 and then a 2 in the regionals, and if we're a 3, we have to beat a 2 then a 1.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Everyone talking 2 seed here is as crazy as those IU fans that thought they could get a 1. I think you can argue us as a 3 or 4 and I'm not sure the game tomorrow will count for much in terms of our seeding. They may flip MSU from a 1 to a 2 or vice versa based on tomorrow but I don't think they will mess with us. If they have us as a 3 at the end of today I think that's where we end up and the same holds true if they have us as a 4 right now.

i think youre right.
two weeks ago i thought if we won out, we could get a 2, but not enough top teams were upset for that to happen now.

i'd really like the BTT title though, and caring less about seeding - we'll end up with a solid one.
let them assign us wherever, lace 'em up, and let's go for a long tourney run!

 

[lbodel]

Yes it is. They say it every year. If MSU is going to be a 1 seed, they are already. And we arent jumping them with a win.

When MSU won the tournament a few years ago, it was stated their seed changed because of it (unless that has recently changed). Nobody said anything about us jumping them....

 

[BoilerBiker]

If the goal is the final four, and ours should be, it makes almost no difference between a 3 and a 4 seed. If we're a 4, we have to beat a 1 and then a 2 in the regionals, and if we're a 3, we have to beat a 2 then a 1.

typically i'd rather be a 3 or even 6, just to avoid the 4/5 game and 1 seed first. but this year there's so much parity (plus everyone talking up wvu), etc. it makes less of a difference.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

If the goal is the final four, and ours should be, it makes almost no difference between a 3 and a 4 seed. If we're a 4, we have to beat a 1 and then a 2 in the regionals, and if we're a 3, we have to beat a 2 then a 1.

yes but being a 3 gives more time for the 1 to get upset. i think 3 is a big deal over 4 to get to the final four.

 

[Do Dah Day]

typically i'd rather be a 3 or even 6, just to avoid the 4/5 game and 1 seed first. but this year there's so much parity (plus everyone talking up wvu), etc. it makes less of a difference.

There are probable one seeds that I think we match-up better with than some two seeds. But, as others have said, lace 'em up and toss it up.

 

[lbodel]

There are probable one seeds that I think we match-up better with than some two seeds. But, as others have said, lace 'em up and toss it up.

Villanova could be a #2 seed now. That would be an interesting match-up (big vs. small - but that doesn't always mean big wins).