They also beat Penn State by 40 and a lot of losses happened around them.Cool the IL was able to move up after losing to USC at home.
They also beat Penn State by 40 and a lot of losses happened around them.Cool the IL was able to move up after losing to USC at home.
I don't love MSU, but hard to argue with them at 7 given their record. Do you have a view as to what their ending Big Ten record will be?The Bank Shot Podcast College Basketball Top 25: Week 16
1. Auburn Tigers(1) 19-1
2. Duke Blue Devils(2) 17-2
3. Alabama Crimson Tide(3) 16-3
4. Iowa State Cyclones(4) 17-2
5. Florida Gators(5) 18-2
6. Tennessee Volunteers(6) 17-3
7. Michigan State Spartans(8) 17-2
8. Marquette Golden Eagles(9) 16-3
9. Houston Cougars(13) 16-3
10. Kentucky Wildcats(7) 14-5
11. Texas A&M Aggies(10) 15-5
12. Purdue Boilermakers(12) 16-5
13. Kansas Jayhawks(11) 14-5
14. St. Johns Red Storm(21) 17-3
15. Louisville Cardinals(22) 15-5
16. Clemson Tigers(24) 17-4
17. Mississippi State Bulldogs(15) 16-4
18. Missouri Tigers(18) 16-4
19. Wisconsin Badgers(19) 16-4
20. Oregon Ducks(14) 16-4
21. Saint Mary's Gaels(NR) 18-3
22. Vanderbilt Commodores(23) 16-4
23. Arizona Wildcats(NR) 13-6
24. Creighton Bluejays(NR) 14-6
25. Illinois Fighting Illini(16) 14-6
On The Edge: West Virginia, Ole Miss, UConn, Oklahoma, Memphis, Utah State, Drake, Wake Forest, New Mexico, Texas Tech, Maryland, Texas, VCU
Out: (17)West Virginia, (20)Ole Miss, (25)UConn
I think they end up with 3-4 conference losses. February 18th could very well decide things.I don't love MSU, but hard to argue with them at 7 given their record. Do you have a view as to what their ending Big Ten record will be?
They've got a brutal 5 game stretch starting 2/15. @Illinois, Purdue, @Michigan, @Maryland, Wisconsin all in a 15 day span. I'd like to think they lose one on the west coast next week and drop 3 of 5 in the stretch above. But not sure I see much else in the loss column for them.I don't love MSU, but hard to argue with them at 7 given their record. Do you have a view as to what their ending Big Ten record will be?
I may be proven wrong over the next couple of weeks, but Michigan State looks overrated here to me. I’d expect them to fall a couple of spots in the actual poll.The Bank Shot Podcast College Basketball Top 25: Week 17
1. Auburn Tigers(1) 21-1
2. Duke Blue Devils(2) 19-2
3. Alabama Crimson Tide(3) 18-3
4. Tennessee Volunteers(6) 18-4
5. Florida Gators(5) 18-3
6. Michigan State Spartans(7) 18-3
7. Marquette Golden Eagles(8) 17-4
8. Houston Cougars(9) 17-4
9. Texas A&M Aggies(11) 17-5
10. Purdue Boilermakers(12) 17-5
11. St. Johns Red Storm(14) 19-3
12. Kentucky Wildcats(10) 15-6
13. Iowa State Cyclones(4) 17-4
14. Missouri Tigers(18) 17-4
15. Clemson Tigers(16) 18-4
16. Texas Tech Red Raiders(NR) 17-4
17. Arizona Wildcats(23) 15-6
18. Kansas Jayhawks(13) 15-6
19. Saint Mary's Gaels(21) 20-3
20. Creighton Bluejays(24) 16-6
21. Wisconsin Badgers(19) 17-5
22. Louisville Cardinals(15) 16-6
23. Maryland Terrapins(NR) 17-5
24. UConn Huskies(NR) 16-6
25. UCLA Bruins(NR) 16-6
On The Edge: Mississippi State, Oregon, Vanderbilt, Illinois, Ole Miss, Memphis, Drake, New Mexico, Michigan
Out: (17)Mississippi State, (20)Oregon, (22)Vanderbilt, (25)Illinois
They very well might. I could see A&M and Purdue jumping them in the AP. There were a ton of losses though. Teams 4-10 in my Top 10 all lost at least a game.I may be proven wrong over the next couple of weeks, but Michigan State looks overrated here to me. I’d expect them to fall a couple of spots in the actual poll.
I expect Purdue to be ranked 9 in today's AP poll due to winning their one game this past week while a large number of teams above them lost.They very well might. I could see A&M and Purdue jumping them in the AP. There were a ton of losses though. Teams 4-10 in my Top 10 all lost at least a game.
Can anybody figure out Oregon. 8-4 Quad 1 games, wins over Alabama and Texas A&M, can not win at home and leaning to be the last team in the BT to make the tournament?I may be proven wrong over the next couple of weeks, but Michigan State looks overrated here to me. I’d expect them to fall a couple of spots in the actual poll.
Nope. They are confusing.NCan anybody figure out Oregon. 8-4 Quad 1 games, wins over Alabama and Texas A&M, can not win at home and leaning to be the last team in the BT to make the tournament?
They peaked early and are regressing I guess. OR all that travel for big ten play is really getting to them.Can anybody figure out Oregon. 8-4 Quad 1 games, wins over Alabama and Texas A&M, can not win at home and leaning to be the last team in the BT to make the tournament?
Are you giving up posting here after no one responded to your poll last week?The Bank Shot Podcast College Basketball Top 25: Week 15(02/09)
1. Alabama Crimson Tide(3) 20-3
2. Auburn Tigers(1) 21-1
3. Duke Blue Devils(2) 20-3
4. Florida Gators(5) 20-3
5. Tennessee Volunteers(4) 20-4
6. Texas A&M Aggies(9) 18-5
7. St. Johns Red Storm(11) 21-3
8. Houston Cougars(8) 19-4
9. Purdue Boilermakers(10) 19-5
10. Michigan State Spartans(6) 19-4
11. Clemson Tigers(15) 19-5
12. Arizona Wildcats(17) 17-6
13. Creighton Bluejays(20) 18-6
14. Marquette Golden Eagles(7) 18-6
15. Iowa State Cyclones(13) 18-5
16. UCLA Bruins(25) 18-6
17. Wisconsin Badgers(21) 19-5
18. Texas Tech Red Raiders(16) 18-5
19. Missouri Tigers(14) 17-6
20. Ole Miss Rebels(NR) 18-6
21. Kentucky Wildcats(12) 16-7
22. Louisville Cardinals(22) 18-6
23. Kansas Jayhawks(19) 16-7
24. Michigan Wolverines(NR) 18-5
25. Memphis Tigers(NR) 19-4
On The Edge: Saint Mary's, Maryland, UConn, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Drake, New Mexico, Utah State
Out: (19)Saint Mary's, (23)Maryland, (24)UConn
Nope. Just haven't had time to post it yet. But it is lunch time now.Are you giving up posting here after no one responded to your poll last week?
Crazy overrating of BYU and Drake.The Bank Shot Podcast College Basketball Top 25: Week 19
1. Duke Blue Devils(2) 27-4
2. Auburn Tigers(1) 27-4
3. Houston Cougars(3) 27-4
4. Florida Gators(5) 27-4
5. St. Johns Red Storm(6) 27-4
6. Michigan State Spartans(8) 26-5
7. Alabama Crimson Tide(7) 24-7
8. Tennessee Volunteers(4) 25-6
9. Clemson Tigers(9) 26-5
10. Texas Tech Red Raiders(13) 24-7
11. BYU Cougars(16) 23-8
12. Maryland Terrapins(17) 24-7
13. Louisville Cardinals(15) 25-6
14. Texas A&M Aggies(18) 22-9
15. Marquette Golden Eagles(10) 22-9
16. Iowa State Cyclones(14) 23-8
17. Wisconsin Badgers(11) 23-8
18. Missouri Tigers(12) 21-10
19. Saint Mary's Gaels(19) 27-5
20. Memphis Tigers(23) 25-5
21. Purdue Boilermakers(21) 21-10
22. Kentucky Wildcats(NR) 21-10
23. Drake Bulldogs(NR) 30-3
24. UC San Diego Tritons(25) 28-4
25. VCU Rams(20) 25-6
On The Edge: Vanderbilt, Michigan, Creighton, Arizona, Oregon, New Mexico, Ole Miss, UCLA, Akron, Colorado State, High Point
Out: (22)Vanderbilt, (24)Michigan
BYU has been on a good roll recently. They've won 8 in a row and 12 of 14. Drake... I just like to give the little guys some love. Especially when power conference teams keep losing. I don't a put Oregon and UConn... But I rewarded Drake instead. And Drake got their revenge for their last lost in the championship game.Crazy overrating of BYU and Drake.
BYU is OK but there’s no way they’re number 11 in the country. Fair enough on Drake.BYU has been on a good roll recently. They've won 8 in a row and 12 of 14. Drake... I just like to give the little guys some love. Especially when power conference teams keep losing. I don't a put Oregon and UConn... But I rewarded Drake instead. And Drake got their revenge for their last lost in the championship game.
Fortunately for BYU, in just top 25 terms, everyone else in front of them keeps losing whole they've kept winning. Including good wins over Arizona, WVU 2x, torching Kansas. Timing is important.BYU is OK but there’s no way they’re number 11 in the country. Fair enough on Drake.
I won’t lament any further on how broken I think your process is, but having BYU at 11 is a perfect example.Fortunately for BYU, in just top 25 terms, everyone else in front of them keeps losing whole they've kept winning. Including good wins over Arizona, WVU 2x, torching Kansas. Timing is important.
And who could you make a perfect example to be above them?I won’t lament any further on how broken I think your process is, but having BYU at 11 is a perfect example.
KenPom and/or maybe SOS.And who could you make a perfect example to be above them?
Yup. BYU is 24th in Kenpom and have a SOS that's 53rd. Louisville has a SOS of 59 and is 23rd Kenpom. Maryland has a SOS 52 and is 13th in Kenpom. Saint Mary's has a SOS that ranks 92nd and is 22nd in Kenpom. Top 25s don't matchup with ratings. Rankings and ratings are different. And you can't confidently say that Louisville or Maryland are absolutely better than BYU.KenPom and/or maybe SOS.
Pretty much everyone in your 12-22 range.
I can most definitely confidently say Maryland and Louisville are better than BYU.Yup. BYU is 24th in Kenpom and have a SOS that's 53rd. Louisville has a SOS of 59 and is 23rd Kenpom. Maryland has a SOS 52 and is 13th in Kenpom. Saint Mary's has a SOS that ranks 92nd and is 22nd in Kenpom. Top 25s don't matchup with ratings. Rankings and ratings are different. And you can't confidently say that Louisville or Maryland are absolutely better than BYU.
What are BYU‘s best three wins? I’d expect the number 11 team in the country to have wins against some top 15 teams. Maybe BYU does.Yup. BYU is 24th in Kenpom and have a SOS that's 53rd. Louisville has a SOS of 59 and is 23rd Kenpom. Maryland has a SOS 52 and is 13th in Kenpom. Saint Mary's has a SOS that ranks 92nd and is 22nd in Kenpom. Top 25s don't matchup with ratings. Rankings and ratings are different. And you can't confidently say that Louisville or Maryland are absolutely better than BYU.
Here are there Q1 wins:What are BYU‘s best three wins? I’d expect the number 11 team in the country to have wins against some top 15 teams. Maybe BYU does.
W | 73-69 | Away | (46) | West Virginia | |
W | 91-57 02/18/2025 | Home | (18) | 23 Kansas | |
W | 96-95 | Away | (13) | 19 Arizona | |
W | 91-81 | Away | (72) | Arizona St. | |
W | 88-85* | Away | (9) | 10 Iowa St |
L | 85-96* | Neutral | (27) | 23 Ole Miss | |
L | 55-86 | Away | (3) | 14 Houston | |
L | 67-72 | Home | (7) | Texas Tech | |
L | 72-73* | Away | (68) | Utah | |
L | 74-85 | Home | (13) | 20 Arizona | |
L | 66-84 | Away | (50) | Cincinnati |
Thanks. That’s actually better than I thought, looks like 2-3 vs NET top 15 teams. I still think 11 is high but not as far off as I thought.Here are there Q1 wins:
W 73-69 Away (46) West Virginia W 91-57 02/18/2025 Home (18) 23 Kansas W 96-95 Away (13) 19 Arizona W 91-81 Away (72) Arizona St. W 88-85* Away (9) 10 Iowa St
And Q1 losses:
L 85-96* Neutral (27) 23 Ole Miss L 55-86 Away (3) 14 Houston L 67-72 Home (7) Texas Tech L 72-73* Away (68) Utah L 74-85 Home (13) 20 Arizona L 66-84 Away (50) Cincinnati
They have Q2 losses to TCU and Providence.
But we all know this top 25 poll doesn’t use metrics, nor logic.
Those top 3 wins over Arizona, Iowa State and Kansas have also all come in the last 6 games. Like I said, they have been on a really good roll here recently. And you want to talk about Top 3 wins. Louisvilles are (22)Clemson, (46)West Virginia(who BYU has beaten twice) and (49)SMU. Maryland are (15)Illinois, (20)Wisconsin and (24)UCLA.Thanks. That’s actually better than I thought, looks like 2-3 vs NET top 15 teams. I still think 11 is high but not as far off as I thought.
See, now you’re using some metrics that people can understand how you’re ranking teams!Those top 3 wins over Arizona, Iowa State and Kansas have also all come in the last 6 games. Like I said, they have been on a really good roll here recently. And you want to talk about Top 3 wins. Louisvilles are (22)Clemson, (46)West Virginia(who BYU has beaten twice) and (49)SMU. Maryland are (15)Illinois, (20)Wisconsin and (24)UCLA.
Maybe you shouldn't assume I don't know what I'm doing🤷See, now you’re using some metrics that people can understand how you’re ranking teams!
You have given us no indication to show that you do know what you’re doing. And “because I said so” or “it’s my opinion” aren’t very good arguments.Maybe you shouldn't assume I don't know what I'm doing🤷
Well that is kind of how an opinion poll works right?You have given us no indication to show that you do know what you’re doing. And “because I said so” or “it’s my opinion” aren’t very good arguments.