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Musk, Trump to Discuss Sending US Taxpayers $5,000 Checks Using DOGE Savings

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Musk said he will speak with Trump regarding the potential ‘DOGE Dividend.’

Billionaire Elon Musk said on Feb. 18 that he will discuss with President Donald Trump a proposal to send U.S. taxpayers rebate checks representing a portion of the money saved by the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE).

Musk is spearheading the Trump administration’s efforts to reshape the federal government and reduce wasteful spending.

The DOGE leader took to his social media platform X to say he would check with Trump regarding the possibility of introducing a “DOGE Dividend.”

The SpaceX and Tesla founder issued the remarks in response to a suggestion from James Fishback, the CEO of investment firm Azoria, that a “tax refund check” be sent out to Americans after DOGE completes its work in July 2026.

The refund would be funded “exclusively with a portion of the total savings delivered by DOGE,” according to Fishback’s proposal.

DOGE aims to deliver $2 trillion in federal spending cuts during its 18-month lifespan.

Fishback’s proposal calls for 20 percent of the $2 trillion in savings—approximately $400 billion—to be returned to 79 million tax-paying households via direct payments.
That would amount to roughly $5,000 being returned to each of those 79 million households, according to Fishback.

He said the rebate “compensates American taxpayers for the egregious misuse and abuse of their hard-earned tax dollars that DOGE has uncovered,” and encourages them to report “instances of waste, fraud, and abuse” to DOGE, thereby increasing the total amount DOGE saves.

In addition, Fishback said the rebate would help “restore public trust between taxpayers and their government” and increase “tax morale.”

It would also incentivize labor-force participation, the investor said, noting that the rebate would only be available to net payers of federal income tax in 2025.

Musk responded to Fishback’s proposal, saying he “will check with the president.”

The businessman also responded to another post on X regarding the potential tax refund, writing: “Obviously, the President is the Commander-in-Chief, so this is entirely up to him.”

DOGE Says Billions Saved Amid Cost-Cutting Efforts
DOGE said its cost-cutting efforts across several federal agencies have saved an estimated $55 billion as of Feb. 17.
The savings came from a combination of fraud detection and deletion, contract and lease cancellations and renegotiations, asset sales, grant cancellations, workforce reductions, programmatic changes, and regulatory savings that have been implemented across federal agencies, according to DOGE’s official website.
DOGE stated that contract cancellations alone accounted for approximately 20 percent of the overall savings amassed since it was established by Trump in January.

The top 10 agencies with the highest total contract savings include the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), responsible for administering U.S. foreign aid and development assistance; the Department of Education; the Office of Personnel Management; the Department of Health and Human Services; and the Department of Agriculture, according to the DOGE website.

Many Republicans have long seen many of the agencies currently targeted by DOGE as pushing liberal agendas that are detrimental to U.S. interests.

However, the agencies account for just a small fraction of the overall federal budget, which is projected to reach $7 trillion this fiscal year, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

For example, USAID disbursed about $72 billion in aid in fiscal year 2023, Reuters reported, citing government figures. That amounted to around 1 percent of total federal outlays, the news agency said.
Musk is also facing criticism from Democrats and other groups over his role with DOGE and possible conflicts of interest.

The White House has previously said that the Space X and Tesla founder is a “special government employee” under the Trump administration and acts as an adviser only.
While speaking to reporters alongside Trump in the Oval Office on Feb. 11, Musk defended his position as an unelected official while vowing to remain transparent with the American public.

“You can’t have an autonomous federal bureaucracy,” Musk said. “You have to have one that’s responsive to the people.”
 
Waiting to hear BNI, Scratch and Bob complain about this.... I also assume since they're all so upset with DOGE, that they'll be returning their rebate checks to the IRS.

Trrump......wins again.
 
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Waiting to hear BNI, Scratch and Bob complain about this.... I also assume since they're all so upset with DOGE, that they'll be returning their rebate checks to the IRS.

Trrump......wins again.
This is another ridiculous proposal that Democrats didn’t think of to help the people.
 
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Waiting to hear BNI, Scratch and Bob complain about this.... I also assume since they're all so upset with DOGE, that they'll be returning their rebate checks to the IRS.

Trrump......wins again.
I had no idea we had so many illegals with social security and SSI payments, but not sure where to find that other than on Fox somewhere or Fox financial even...but it too will be out in a couple of days. Social security numbers are a lead in to voting . Also heard that 8% cut in the pentagon budget for a few years with Pete's blessing.

Lawfully present noncitizens of the United States who meet all eligibility requirements can qualify for Social Security benefits.
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This is another ridiculous proposal that Democrats didn’t think of to help the people.
What would be really funny is that if only registered Republicans received the rebate checks. I'd love for Trump or Musk to float that idea publicly just to watch Dems minds explode.
 
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What would be really funny is that if only registered Republicans received the rebate checks. I'd love for Trump or Musk to float that idea publicly just to watch Dems minds explode.
Along those lines

Trump Loves Idea of Sending Taxpayers Checks Funded by DOGE Savings

The proposal was first floated by businessman James Fishback, who called it a ‘DOGE dividend.’

President Donald Trump said on Feb. 19 that he loves the idea of his administration returning 20 percent of the savings identified by the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) to U.S. citizens.

“I love it,” Trump said on Wednesday. “I think it’s great idea. It could be a lot.”

“It could also give the taxpayer incentive to go out and report things,” the president added.

Trump also said he would consider using another 20 percent of the savings to pay down the federal government’s debt. The comments came during a summit hosted by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund in Miami, Florida, with global financiers and tech leaders.

“There’s even under consideration a new concept, where we give 20 percent of the DOGE savings to American citizens, and 20 percent goes to paying down debt,” Trump said.

Businessman James Fishback originally made the proposal on Feb. 18 in a post on the social platform X, calling it a “DOGE dividend.”

“President Trump and @ElonMusk should announce a ‘DOGE Dividend’—a tax refund check sent to every taxpayer, funded exclusively with a portion of the total savings delivered by DOGE,” Fishback, the CEO of Azoria Partners investment firm, wrote.

DOGE leader Elon Musk said he would discuss the idea with Trump, responding to Fishback in an X post, “Will check with the president.”

According to Fishback’s analysis, if DOGE succeeded in the significant task of cutting federal spending by $2 trillion, 20 percent, or $400 billion, returned to American taxpayers would be roughly $5,000 for each of the country’s 79 million tax-paying households.

Preston Brashers, a tax policy research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, celebrated DOGE’s efforts but called the proposal a “bad idea.”

“The dividend we get from slashing spending is that it brings inflation into check. But if the government sends out stimmy checks, inflation will come back with a vengeance,” Brashers wrote in a post on X.

Fishback said in his proposal that the DOGE dividend checks would not be inflationary because “tax-paying households are more likely to save (not spend) a transfer payment like the DOGE Dividend as consumption is a lower share of their income.”

He cited a 2019 CNBC survey that found that if given an unexpected $5,000 bonus, a combined 71 percent of Americans would first use the money to pay off debt, save it for short-term expenditures or emergencies, or invest it for long-term goals like retirement or college.

Speaking from aboard Air Force One on Wednesday night, Trump said he loved the 20 percent DOGE Dividend idea.

“I think it’s a great idea. It could be a lot,” Trump said. “It could also give the taxpayer incentive to go out and report things.”

Musk’s advisory commission has targeted hundreds of small contracts that it says equal $8.5 billion in savings, according to Reuters’s analysis of data provided by the DOGE team. The analysis noted that the total is a fraction of what the federal government pays contractors every year.

For example, Musk’s aerospace company, SpaceX, alone has roughly $22 billion in contracts with the U.S. government.

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former Republican director of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), said last week that the agencies and programs targeted by DOGE so far only account for a small fraction of the overall federal budget, which the CBO projects to reach $7 trillion this fiscal year.

Bill Hoagland, a former Republican staffer and director of the Senate Budget Committee for more than 20 years, accused DOGE’s cost-cutting efforts of being motivated by “philosophical and ideological differences conservatives have with the work these agencies do.”

Trump and Musk have said that DOGE’s work is necessary, and that its cuts at various federal agencies are a good-faith effort mandated by American voters to save their tax dollars from “widespread fraud and abuse.”

Reuters contributed to this report.
 
I had no idea we had so many illegals with social security and SSI payments, but not sure where to find that other than on Fox somewhere or Fox financial even...but it too will be out in a couple of days. Social security numbers are a lead in to voting . Also heard that 8% cut in the pentagon budget for a few years with Pete's blessing.

Lawfully present noncitizens of the United States who meet all eligibility requirements can qualify for Social Security benefits.
SSI below

Like I have said all along, there is no cheap labor. At least for the consumer.
There is for individual companies that benefit from hiring low wage people.
The tax payers absorb the burden of the meagerly paid laborer.
 
Like I have said all along, there is no cheap labor. At least for the consumer.
There is for individual companies that benefit from hiring low wage people.
The tax payers absorb the burden of the meagerly paid laborer.
Well, I understand that the social security, medicare and such goes belly up in about 10 years if there are no money saved to cut into the debt. I'll probably be dead by then, but think of all the younger people that could use the money instead of being taxed for more waste. Can you imagine people upset that Elon and his group of geniuses are finding what "some" of us already knew that their TDS problems leave a lot of poor judgement. Whatever happened to the days of Clinton and Obummer stating they were going to make the government more efficient by the dems...even though they didn't. Trump has taken the bull by the horns and Elon is finding waste...a lot of waste and receipts are gradually being shown, because unlike the previous administrations...full disclosure is desired. If savings do NOT take place, this country will no longer exist in a state we have known and all the world will be affected. Here, just check out the increased spending during the Biden years to see how the spending has grown

 
It should just go to the debt and/or to lower tax rates.
I expect it to go to both as well. Here is an email I got 18 minutes ago from yet a different person-

"Promising an unexpected $5k windfall is bound to curry favor among taxpayers, but any such ‘rebate’ should be available only to those who actually paid income taxes in CY 2024. It should not be available to anyone who paid no income tax, and the amount should be reduced to match payments of less than $5k.

I’m always skeptical of federal government transfer payments because they never fail to invite fraud. Cases in point are the fictitious people over 120 years old still receiving SS payments and all the COVID ‘stimulus’ checks. Stimulus checks accomplished little more than massively increasing inflation and the national debt. Government money injected into the economy without a corresponding increase in physical wealth, by definition, increases inflation.

I think the country would be better served if money clawed back by DOGE is applied to the national debt. For every trillion dollars paid down, annual savings at the current average interest rate (3.282%) would be $32.82 billion. Remember, this amount – plus or minus, depending on the average interest rate – would be a cost avoidance every year.
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/interest-expense-avg-interest-rates/ "
 
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It should just go to the debt and/or to lower tax rates.
Just pay down the debt.
The idea that we can keep giving tax cuts and simply reduce the debt through spending cuts and higher revenue from economic growth is insane. The numbers don't work unless you dive into SS and Medicare. Everything else is just BS.
 
Just pay down the debt.
The idea that we can keep giving tax cuts and simply reduce the debt through spending cuts and higher revenue from economic growth is insane. The numbers don't work unless you dive into SS and Medicare. Everything else is just BS.
So Reagan did give tax cuts and there was more revenue. Here is what I believe is taking place. Trump has thrown out maybe a 20% pay towards the debt of savings. We have no idea what the number will be, but we do know nobody has shown an interest to stop the insanity before Trump and he will pay some amount to the debt. I also believe the potential $5000 to taxpayers give back some to those that have been screwed AND possibly keep voters in the next election wanting this to go on well past Trump and Elon since DOGE is a temporary hiring until July 26. We are going to see protests and people that don't want the public to know and in some cases to find any money laundering to them and so there are going to be a lot of protests and courts trying to stop Trump and Elon and many people have advised Trump to do as Biden did and ignore the SCOTUS (student loans). If this continues and then the findings are there and verified by forensic accountants and some of all goes before the congress...all those members will have to deal with a public that is no longer in the dark when they vote. Those with things to hide hate transparency and also why DOGE will continue to publish receipts, because they believe they are in the right. I've had similar experiences with school boards yeas ago...
 
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