So he gets 11 carries for 33 yards with a long of 8 and caught one pass for 40 yards for the Eagles today. Justin Sinz caught one pass for 7 yards for the Colts. I for one always wanted Mostert, especially with his speed, to get more touches at Purdue under Hazel. If we continue to see some success for him in the NFL in makes me more suspect of Hazel's judgement on personnel.
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Hunt was the starter. Mostert had 93 rushes and 18 catches in 11 games. I don't think those are starter numbers or a lot of touches.
He had more fumbles than he should have too. Hopefully he can hold into the ball in the NFL.
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Hunt was the starter by game 6 or so. Mostert got the bulk of the carries early and wasn't as effective. But hey, this whole thread was about anti/ Hazell slant, don't want to bust that up for you. Let's not let reality get in the way of your narrative.
Btw, Hunt had a 70 yard kick return and ran I think 18 yards on three carries for the Giants Friday. Not a bad start.
Nm. Mostert only lasted 3 or 4 games as the starter. He was benched for fumbles, not because the coaching staff had some imaginary axe to grind. Keep preaching your narrative though...
http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...-will-purdues-starting-running-back/16132195/
http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...-will-purdues-starting-running-back/16132195/
Any chance if our offense continues the path it's been on the past two years in this season that Shoop will get benched for "fumbling" away talent and opportunity???
I'm ok with Shoop getting the boot as soon as tomorrow. We will always struggle offensively as long as he is here...because he has struggled everywhere he's been to elevate the talent he has.
I'm just sick of the threads where people try to crap on Hazell and his "misuse" of talent when a guy signs a camp deal or gets a few carries in an exhibition game!
I'm just sick of the threads where people try to crap on Hazell and his "misuse" of talent when a guy signs a camp deal or gets a few carries in an exhibition game!
Agree. Nord was also a pretty crappy QB coach. Nobody really took a step forward under him until Marve in his 6th year....and how much of that was Marve being pretty darn good?
Shoop seems to be a details guy....and he wants his QB well versed in all of those details too. The problem with that seems to be that the details only teach you the optimum way to run a play and our QBs are not great at hitting the 3rd or 4th reads on plays or creating when things break down. The O has also been hampered by terrible line play in 2013 and average line play and beyond poor WR play in 2014. I suspect both of those areas will take a step forward and potentially the offense does too.
I think the picture on where this program stands will be crystal clear during and after this season. If the offense shows no big steps forward, its time to dump Shoop. If the rest of the team is crap, then it might be time to dump the whole staff. That said, I think that we have some good coaches (Freeman, Hudson, Bridge, Malone) on this staff and I would hate to see SOME of them go. It FINALLY seems that because of Freeman, LB won't be the giant black hole it's been for about the past 5 (arguably 10) years.
Mostert had some trouble w/ fumbles, that doesn't help you gain any PT, out here in the Philly papers he has been getting some positive notes but the eagles have a formidable backfield plus Mostert is battling w/ Kenyon Varner to make the team.
Sorry, but didn't Hazell hire Shoop as his OC? And after two years of pathetic offensive results hasn't Hazell stubbornly stuck with Shoop?
What that really tells you is that Hazell is all in on his current staff. Therefore, you might as well treat them like they are the same person.
Hazell, at least on paper, has built a very impressive staff. Outside of the OC, I think the staff might be one of the better ones in Purdue history. If Hazell is truly all in on the current staff, then he might just get run out-of-town on a rail, because his OC has a chance to bring the whole program down. Hazell is loyal, but he's also stubborn to a fault.
Honest question, How do you know when to stop blaming Hazell and when to start blaming Shoop? I get that standing from a distance, its easy to point the finger at Shoop. But I dont get it when you actually start to think about it. Shoop, Hazell, and probably the entire staff meet regularly to discuss this stuff. In the past others have acted like this isnt the case. Thats just not true. Coaching staffs constantly talk to each other. If Hazell had that big of a beef with the O, he would have done something about it much sooner.
You have to place any responsibility on the head coach, Head coach hires his staff. The Coach and his staff rise or sink on how the team performs. That isn't to say the players may not execute the details, however singling out responsibility for an assistants shortcomings shouldn't be heaped on just the Assistant coach. Nothing happens in the play calling without the Head coaches approval. If that is not the case, the we have the wrong head coach.
Exactly! I dont see whats so hard about that for others to embrace.
Been to several practices (also have attended practices, when allowed, during the Burtnett, Colletto, Akers, Hope and Tiller eras). I like this coaching staff, a lot ! !
He hasn't made the NFL yet. Most likely will land on a practice squad...at best.
Hunt is likely in the same boat, but might have a slightly better chance. Your point stands though...only so many Carries to go around. It's not like we shelved Mostert for a total talentless slouch...
If both Hunt and Mostert are showing good things in NFL camps perhaps it is true that many of their shortcomings in WL were due to the poor state of the OL?
When coupled with the problems at QB, it seems to me that the OL might have been the root of the poor performance.
When coupled with the problems at QB, it seems to me that the OL might have been the root of the poor performance.
Is everyone just remembering year 1 of CDH & forgetting about last season? Mostert & Hunt were both quite effective runners in 2014. From ESPN B1G stats...
-Mostert was T-7 in yds/rush in the B1G last season. The guys ahead of him (with enough carries to qualify) is a list of high round NFL picks (and Nick Hill): Gordon, Coleman, Elliott, Clement, Abdullah, and Hill.
-Hunt wasn't far behind at T-10th in yds/rush.
-PU, MSU, and Wisc were the teams with 2 players in the top 10 in yds/rush in the B1G last season. PU as a team was T-6 in the B1G in yds/rush.
Sure, the rushing attack wasn't championship caliber, but maybe it was bowl worthy? The problem with the accumulative rushing stats for PU was a passing attack that couldn't sustain drives & left PU last in the B1G in rush attempts.
One final list...
Mostert: 5.7 yds/rush
Hunt: 5.5 yds/rush
PU passing: 5.2 yds/att
-Mostert was T-7 in yds/rush in the B1G last season. The guys ahead of him (with enough carries to qualify) is a list of high round NFL picks (and Nick Hill): Gordon, Coleman, Elliott, Clement, Abdullah, and Hill.
-Hunt wasn't far behind at T-10th in yds/rush.
-PU, MSU, and Wisc were the teams with 2 players in the top 10 in yds/rush in the B1G last season. PU as a team was T-6 in the B1G in yds/rush.
Sure, the rushing attack wasn't championship caliber, but maybe it was bowl worthy? The problem with the accumulative rushing stats for PU was a passing attack that couldn't sustain drives & left PU last in the B1G in rush attempts.
One final list...
Mostert: 5.7 yds/rush
Hunt: 5.5 yds/rush
PU passing: 5.2 yds/att
People seem to forget we were pretty good running the ball last year. Year 1 was a dumpster fire
I bet if you looked at the median , not the mean, it would be 3 yards, not 5.7 The mean got inflated by the handful of 50+yard runs, which are great, but half the carries went for 1-2 yards, which don't help you sustain drives.
This is true for every team and great RB, including David Cobb, Tevin Coleman, Ezekiel Elliott, Abdullah, etc.
From tabulating play-by-play logs, here are the actual numbers for Mostert's & Coleman's less productive runs last season. I'm not trying to say Mostert was nearly as good as Coleman--I'm just trying to put some actual numbers to the assertions claimed above about half of Mostert's runs being 1-2 yds (and Coleman not having half his runs in the 1-2 yd range)...
-Mostert carries that were 1 or 2 yds: 21.5%
-Coleman carries that were 1 or 2 yds: 18.8%
Add in negative & no gain plays...
-Mostert carries that were 2 yds or less: 38.7%
-Coleman carries that were 2 yds or less: 36.7%
-Mostert carries that were 1 or 2 yds: 21.5%
-Coleman carries that were 1 or 2 yds: 18.8%
Add in negative & no gain plays...
-Mostert carries that were 2 yds or less: 38.7%
-Coleman carries that were 2 yds or less: 36.7%
I was referring to our team rushing numbers, not Mostert's, which are obviously skewed, due to 70% of his carries being in non-conference against lesser competition.
Our rushing attack was much better earlier in the season because we had a full stable of receivers that defenses had to cover, regardless of whether the QB could actually get the ball to them or not. As the season wore on and we lost 4 of our top 5 receivers (and enough evidence existed to suggest the QB play was not improving), defenses were able to concentrate on the running game almost exclusively and Mostert's/Hunt's stats decreased significantly.
And we weren't playing western michigan, central michigan, and SIU in the 2nd half of the season.
I think it improved immensely and was the only thing late in the year that had a chance of scoring. With an actual passing attack it probably would have been better.
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