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So, a couple of things strike me:
1. The post says kids were "forced" to participate. Is that true? Do we have solid information either way?
2. This appears to have happened at a private school. Being against indoctrination at public schools is one thing, but generally, we seem to accept it as par for the course in private schools. I'd suggest, in fact, that many parents that send their kids to private schools do it specifically because that school engages in the parents' preferred form of indoctrination. But, either way, the parents chose this school knowing what it was about.
Edit: while doing a bit more poking around, while the school did participate in "Black Lives Matter at School Week," it appears the march was the students' idea. So, the use of the word "forced" is at best, misleading.
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No doubt the march was the these very young students idea. Yeah right!
Maybe not, but the school says it was. That's the only information we have. So, unless you're accusing the school of lying, then there's no reason to presume any different unless some evidence emerges that contradicts the school's statement.
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More attempts at religious indoctrination in our schools.
We can do this shit all day. Both sides are crazy.
We can do this shit all day. Both sides are crazy.
No Bob, you and the rest of your pedo friends are the real crazy ones.More attempts at religious indoctrination in our schools.
We can do this shit all day. Both sides are crazy.
Were all of the kids out on the street corner preaching after the revival meeting? It’s one thing exposed kids, it’s another to successfully brainwash them into doing what your preaching. At least in the case you presented, the kids were capable of thinking for themselves.More attempts at religious indoctrination in our schools.
We can do this shit all day. Both sides are crazy.
No, it's not just one thing "exposing" kids to religion in schools. There's no "at least" when it comes to government sanctioning a religion. Read your constitution.
The most disturbing part of this video is the children being forced to wear masks. How cruel.
Is that what happened in the original example? Or were they in the school building, as it appears in the video? And, as even the author of Bob’s article (an outspoken atheist, by the way) says, if it was voluntary, it’s not a big deal. Do you know whether or not the mock BLM protest was voluntary or mandatory?
And still, even if it WAS mandatory, it’s a private school. They can do what they want just like any other private school that is allowed to have mandatory indoctrination.
I was unaware that this was a US government sanctioned event. please elaborate as teachers aren’t US government employees
So you don't have any kids. Got it.
Kids this young, that's not something they think about nor should they. It's seriously screwed up to have kids this young acting out this type of stuff regardless of the subject matter.
Assumption on your part. And relevance?
Evidently, the parents of these kids disagree with you about the "should" part or they wouldn't send them to this particular school. But, that said, given what we easily can learn about the school itself, and the fact that they did indeed participate in Black Lives Matter in the Schools Week (I'll stipulate that you don't think they should have, but, again, private school), why is it so hard to believe that kids who have just learned about the BLM protests might say "can we do that, too?"
I'm not saying that's definitely how it went down. It could be that the kids were forced to do it, but the school says it was the students' idea. Unless I misunderstand you, you are saying it definitely DIDN'T go down that way, and could not have been the students' idea, despite the fact that we currently have no evidence the contradict the school's version of events. You're making a definitive statement that goes against the available evidence. That's all I'm saying here. Anyone saying the school forced the kids to do this is just assuming that to be the case and, by extension, accusing the school of lying.
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Then those parents have serious issues and shouldn't be parents. Kids this young shouldn't be concerned with social issues as they don't social hang ups yet. They really don't care about race and just want to play with kids that want to play the same thing as them. There is no reason to be putting this type of concerns and hang ups in their heads and you should instead be letting them be kids and develop actually healthy social skills, not this politically motivated, twisted version of reality.
Ok, that's a perfectly valid opinion to hold. But, out of curiosity, does it similarly bother you if a private Christian school indoctrinates kids into that particular religion, much of which doesn't comport with reality? What about kids going to a private Muslim school? Are you against indoctrinating kids in a general sense? Or are you only against indoctrinating kids into beliefs you disagree with?
"Parents should have control over what their children learn. EXCEPT THE PARENTS WHO DISAGREE WITH ME."
Kids going to private Christian/Islamic schools are almost always (my opinion, yes; absolutely no hard data to back it up) members of a family practicing that religion. The kids are not being indoctrinated into a religion that their families have not been raising them in every day of their life and the school was chosen specifically for those religious values.
But BLM and similar social causes are not something that everyone in a school will agree about- meaning parents and staff. BLM does have a component that black are poorly treated and undervalued n this country thus we need to emphasize that BLACK lives matter- which of course they do. But trying to make that point with kids this young could cause confusion and/or create or support divisiveness among a mixed body of students. Save the "indoctrination" until the kids have developed some reasoning skills and can understand the consequences of social policies and special interest groups.
Largely, I agree with you including potential issues of age-appropriateness, but that's a different conversation. I also agree that parents that wish to send their kids to private schools often choose the particular type of school they want their kids to go to specifically for the kinds of lessons that school teaches that they can't otherwise get in public schools. But, that's exactly what has happened in this particular case, too. Just look at the school's diversity, equity, and inclusion statement. This is a school that, by design, deals with these kinds of social issues as part of their founding mission. Getting upset at this particular school for this particular activity, which is completely in line with their stated mission, is the same as getting upset with a Christian school for teaching Christianity, which is to say that it doesn't make any sense. It's clear that the school is not going against the kinds of things the parents might have expected when choosing this particular school.
So, my larger question still stands, is the problem with this particular story that kids are being indoctrinated? Or is it just that kids are being indoctrinated with beliefs with which you disagree? If it's ok for private religious schools to teach kids to follow their particular religion of choice, why isn't it ok for this private private school that publicly aims to teach kids to "dismantle systems of oppression, exclusion, and inequality" to teach kids about exactly that issue? After all, that's what the parents sent them there for.
I get it that you disagree that this stuff should be taught at all, and I'm not even speaking out in favor of it in this thread. But someone can hold the equally valid opinion that kids shouldn't be taught religion until they're old enough to understand it and make their own decisions about it. This isn't about content. It seems what I see most often is a claim that people are upset about "indoctrination" as a general practice. I'm against it, too. However, it seems that those speaking out about this kind of indoctrination are only worried about the content, and not about the practice of indoctrination as a whole. The responses I've gotten seem to indicate a position that, as long as it's about the beliefs you want your kids to hold (like religion), it's ok to indoctrinate them, but when other parents want their kids to get a different set of beliefs, then indoctrination is bad.
You not having kids has a lot to do with it.
Pre-K children, 4-5 year olds, did not come up with this idea. Trust me, the last thing on a kids mind barely out of pull-ups is virtue signaling and becoming a social justice warrior.
My guess is that you've got a bunch of leftist teachers/admins at this school that have a militant position as SJWs and they're trying to spread their message. "Start em young", as they say.
100% correct.
4-5 years old don't have the ability to critically think, analyze, take and defend a position. Next to their parents, the single biggest authority figure in their lives are their teachers and their going to believe whatever their teacher says.
If you send your kid to a private Catholic, Jewish or Muslim school, there's sort of the expectation that religion is going to be part of the curriculum.
A non-secular private school should not be taking a position on social issues and force feeding their political or social opinion on young children who don't have the ability to comprehend what their hearing.
Again, you don't know if I have kids or not. But, how? What is it that you're suggesting ONLY parents can understand about kids?
But 4-5 year old kids might think it's fun to make posters and march around, yes?
I agree, based on the mission statement of the school (at least about the faculty/staff leaning left politically, not sure there's any evidence for "militant" at this point). That's the kind of school it is. So why is it a problem for THIS school to engage kids in this content, if that is indeed part of the mission of the school?
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Agree. And if you send kids to a school that focuses on social justice issues, there's sort of the expectation that social justice issues are going to be part of the curriculum.
This school isn't "non-secular," but as you say, it's a private school. Why can't they take up whatever position they want?
Do you have a problem with religious schools "force-feeding" their religious position (which often comes entangled with political beliefs) on young children who don't have the ability to comprehend what they're hearing?
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I remember you saying you didn't have kids. Watching "Growing Pains" or "Modern Family" does not give you the ability to comment on what it's like to have children. So yes, only parents really understand kids.
Fine. Do a Save the Whales campaign.
Would you feel differently if these kids were holding an anti-abortion/right to life march?
How about a "Back the Blue" march? After all, who doesn't support the police?
If that's what this school claims to be in it's mission statement, then damn....I feel sorry for the children who have to go there.
You may remember it, but I'm pretty sure I've never spoken of my family situation on here.
I don't think we were talking about "what it's like to have children." I'll agree that only parents understand that.
Not child psychologists, just as a for instance?
Yup, they could do that. Maybe they actually do. I suspect neither of us knows their entire curriculum and every activity that the students engage in. This BLM thing was just one of many over the 9 years a student might attend this school.
I wouldn't feel differently because, like you at least purport to be, I'm not in favor of students being indoctrinated into political views, regardless of whether those views are left-leaning or right-leaning and regardless with whether those views are the ones I happen to agree with. Please note that I have not spoken out in favor of this particular lesson or event. The difference between you and I on this issue is that I'm consistent in my dislike of indoctrination. You're, apparently, ok with it when it is about political beliefs that you hold.
Cool. That's your opinion. Their parents feel differently. Good thing it's a private school so not all kids are required to go there, amirite?
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