Michigan = the new college athlete

[Wolegib]

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm too good to play in the bowl game. I might injure myself and hurt my draft stock.

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[nat100]

Considering the money on the line, good for them

 

[Wolegib]

Considering the money on the line, good for them

if they were worried about the money, they should have quit after the Notre Dame loss.

 

[BoilerNGold013]

Good for them. I remember that talented line backer for ND ripping apart his acl against o$u in the fiesta bowl a few years ago in a meaningless new year's bowl. Taking care of yourself and you family is what matters in life.

 

[nat100]

if they were worried about the money, they should have quit after the Notre Dame loss.

Probably needed the film

 

[nat100]

Probably needed the film

Also, they were in contention until osu pounded them

 

[IndySouthsider]

Have no issue with this at all. All bowl games besides the CFP are meaningless. I would encourage my NFL kids to not participate

 

[PaBoiler78]

Have no issue with this at all. All bowl games besides the CFP are meaningless. I would encourage my NFL kids to not participate

I have to agree w/ this too.

 

[boilermaker75]

if they were worried about the money, they should have quit after the Notre Dame loss.

Exactly, they will start quitting earlier and earlier their last year.

 

[Wolegib]

Just like "BOZO" for OSU. he could have come back and played. But it was all about ME !!!!

I'm sure all of you will have the same opinion when Moore decides not to play as well. You'll all be saying bowl games are meaningless.

 

[SKYDOG]

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm too good to play in the bowl game. I might injure myself and hurt my draft stock.

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the university should pull their scholarship and send them a bill. Can't attend any classes until paid in full. They quit on their team and it's wrong however anyone wants to spin it.

 

[nat100]

Just like "BOZO" for OSU. he could have come back and played. But it was all about ME !!!!

I'm sure all of you will have the same opinion when Moore decides not to play as well. You'll all be saying bowl games are meaningless.

Lots of butt hurt old dudes here.

 

[BoilerBonz]

Also, they were in contention until osu pounded them

Contention? Contention for what? Why would the playoffs or NC be meaningful, by your definition? Can a high-draft prospect profit for either? No. So why would any of it be meaningful, if all that matters is the money?

 

[James J Chitwood]

Just like "BOZO" for OSU. he could have come back and played. But it was all about ME !!!!

I'm sure all of you will have the same opinion when Moore decides not to play as well. You'll all be saying bowl games are meaningless.

My opinion on Rondale playing in the Quicky Lube Who-Gives-$hit Bowl on Wednesday, December 27th would be the same. Don’t risk it. Anyone suggesting otherwise is lacking empathy and good judgment.

 

[nat100]

Contention? Contention for what? Why would the playoffs or NC be meaningful, by your definition? Can a high-draft prospect profit for either? No. So why would any of it be meaningful, if all that matters is the money?

The trend is to sit if you aren’t in the playoffs. I know it makes your butt hurt, but it is what it is. Especially after jaylen smith went from top 10 pick to a lucky second rounder

Why risk it once you are out of the playoff?

 

[Love4beer]

My opinion on Rondale playing in the Quicky Lube Who-Gives-$hit Bowl on Wednesday, December 27th would be the same. Don’t risk it. Anyone suggesting otherwise is lacking empathy and good judgment.

I don't have kids yet but I believe that if I were Rondale's or any other NFL- bound player's parent I would advise them to skip any non-FCS bowl.

Not worth the risk, I agree.

 

[James J Chitwood]

I don't have kids yet but I believe that if I were Rondale's or any other NFL- bound player's parent I would advise them to skip any non-FCS bowl.

Not worth the risk, I agree.

If you have kids, you’ll try to help them as best you can to make good decisions.

Topics like this one cloud people’s judgment. It’s easy to be principled and high-minded about other folk’s money.

 

[Boilermaker]

I don't have kids yet but I believe that if I were Rondale's or any other NFL- bound player's parent I would advise them to skip any non-FCS bowl.

Not worth the risk, I agree.

Are they not just as prone to injury (maybe more so against bigger, faster, and stronger opponents) at a premier bowl game? Is it worth risking guaranteed millions? I’m torn on the issue but wondering why a more prestigious college bowl is a no-brainer to some when they can still risk losing so much. I get the whole pride thing and loyalty to your school and fans, but if you agree sitting a lower bowl is wise (because of money) is it not still wise regardless of bowl?

 

[Love4beer]

Are they not just as prone to injury (maybe more so against bigger, faster, and stronger opponents) at a premier bowl game? Is it worth risking guaranteed millions? I’m torn on the issue but wondering why a more prestigious college bowl is a no-brainer to some when they can still risk losing so much. I get the whole pride thing and loyalty to your school and fans, but if you agree sitting a lower bowl is wise (because of money) is it not still wise regardless of bowl?

Well reasoned point, but I suspect it will be tougher to convince them to skip a championship bowl. I will let you know if I ever have that kid 27ish years from now.

 

[nat100]

Are they not just as prone to injury (maybe more so against bigger, faster, and stronger opponents) at a premier bowl game? Is it worth risking guaranteed millions? I’m torn on the issue but wondering why a more prestigious college bowl is a no-brainer to some when they can still risk losing so much. I get the whole pride thing and loyalty to your school and fans, but if you agree sitting a lower bowl is wise (because of money) is it not still wise regardless of bowl?

Osu played in a higher bowl last year, just not a cfp game. Denzel ward sat and was drafted in the top 5. He made the right choice.

 

[Wolegib]

so could a player on Clemson or Alabama's team skip their first national championship game, and if they win decide to come back and play in the national championship game? and because they are probably a star player, their team would probably allow them back.

the future could be, I don't want to play a meaningless game, but I'll play the meaningful ones.

 

[Wolegib]

as far as injuries go, what % of football players incurred injuries while participating in a bowl game in the last 5 years? less than 1% ??? You probably have a greater chance of injury going to class or your agent's office than from playing a football game.

 

[BoilerMaker P]

Funny, this topic came up earlier today for me. I was talking with my brother-in-law who played NCAA D1 football. He said it is a totally different game now played by totally different kind of kid. His general thoughts were he could not imagine not taking the opportunity of playing in what might be a final college game—not just for himself, but so as to not let down his teammates by quitting on his team.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Anybody else think maybe the Meatchicken guys have had enough of Harblow for a lifetime already.

 

[TheGunner]

IMO, the universities should take out insurance policies based on expected draft status, which should be evaluated before the season and again around game 10. 1st rounders $5-10MM. 2nd-3rd $2-$5MM, all others $1MM.


Meaning, in two years, Rondale Moore should have a $5MM policy or whatever his expected draft status would be.

For that matter, I think all senior starters should have a blanket $0.5-1MM policy to cover any lost wages resulting from injury.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Just like "BOZO" for OSU. he could have come back and played. But it was all about ME !!!!

I'm sure all of you will have the same opinion when Moore decides not to play as well. You'll all be saying bowl games are meaningless.

Realize Bosa had no chance of being 100% healthy at any point in the season?

 

[nat100]

Realize Bosa had no chance of being 100% healthy at any point in the season?

Wole doesn’t let facts get in the way of emotional rants

 

[IndySouthsider]

Wole doesn’t let facts get in the way of emotional rants

Today’s MMQB article states he just now is doing limited work.

 

[Wolegib]

I've tried to reduce the size of my posts and use limited examples of people and facts that I know you've heard of to please YOU ! I could have used many more examples. I feel bad for the person who cant use those examples to see the bigger picture and needs further examples, data points, stats, and explanations of the points I'm making.

Michigan is not the only team experiencing this problem. Bosa is not the only player. I'm kind of surprised Bailey didn't follow their lead. Maybe he felt his NFL stock was low and he needed a good bowl game to improve it. If Bailey was in Mel Kiper's top 20, would he have followed others' lead? and would you as fans encouraged him to do so?

Insurance policies may help the issue, but won't solve the overall problem. the problem is players are now more focused on the word ME in the word tEaM . What's in it for ME ? What's best for ME ? When and how do I get MinE?

Rather than an emotional rant, I'd call it an observation on life. Rather than remaining a sport, college football has become a business. I should be happy. My son is being paid with an athletic scholarship too.

 

[nat100]

The money at the next level is so big, why risk it for a meaningless game if you don’t need to?

We’re talking generational money for Bosa and the Michigan dt.

 

[Wolegib]

The money at the next level is so big, why risk it for a meaningless game if you don’t need to?

We’re talking generational money for Bosa and the Michigan dt.

I realize the money we're talking about. but there are still some people in the world whose life doesn't revolve around money.

Call me unique. Call me stupid. But I don't allow the fear of what MAY happen dictate my life. if I'm part of a team, I'm loyal to that team's needs. I place the team's needs ahead of my own. if I commit to something, I keep that commitment.

As far as injuries go, I've had my share. it you're worried, buy some insurance.

 

[IndySouthsider]

I realize the money we're talking about. but there are still some people in the world whose life doesn't revolve around money.

Call me unique. Call me stupid. But I don't allow the fear of what MAY happen dictate my life. if I'm part of a team, I'm loyal to that team's needs. I place the team's needs ahead of my own. if I commit to something, I keep that commitment.

As far as injuries go, I've had my share. it you're worried, buy some insurance.

If in two years we’re playing in the Nashville music city bowl and Rondale Moore is a potential first rounder, Brohm would be committing malfeasance if he allowed Rondale play.

There is nothing to be gained in these stupid ass bowl games, and make no mistakes they mean NOTHING. Any good coach should be using it as extra spring practice, and I hope Brohm did as well.

 

[nat100]

I realize the money we're talking about. but there are still some people in the world whose life doesn't revolve around money.

Call me unique. Call me stupid. But I don't allow the fear of what MAY happen dictate my life. if I'm part of a team, I'm loyal to that team's needs. I place the team's needs ahead of my own. if I commit to something, I keep that commitment.

As far as injuries go, I've had my share. it you're worried, buy some insurance.

You’re a fool to play if there is nothing to gain and millions to lose. Insurance won’t cover that loss. Not the full amount anyway

 

[Chi-Boiler]

I'm not a fan of players sitting out games any more than you are Wole. I think it lessens something that already has very little meaning in the grand scheme of things anyway. However, I'm not the person making that decision. I'm not the athlete who may be in a position to make millions next year. I'm not the player who might have a BAD game and worsen his position going forward. Depending on the player and the competition, there may not be a ton of upside to play in a game that is for all intents and purposes, meaningless.

Until the NCAA begins paying players, and through that making winning bowl games worth something, this trend will continue to grow.

 

[indyogb]

If in two years we’re playing in the Nashville music city bowl and Rondale Moore is a potential first rounder, Brohm would be committing malfeasance if he allowed Rondale play.

There is nothing to be gained in these stupid ass bowl games, and make no mistakes they mean NOTHING. Any good coach should be using it as extra spring practice, and I hope Brohm did as well.

I don't disagree, but that begs the question, why are we even playing these "meaningless" games? At what point are the games "meaningful" enough for the risk? If this is the future of bowl games, I think they should all be scrapped and the playoff should be expanded to 8 or even 16 teams.

I understand not wanting to take the risk (and I would also likely counsel any potential first round pick to not take the risk, certainly on anything less than a New Year's Day bowl) but I still feel bad for the players and fans that some teams are losing some of their best players during what is supposed to be the prime game of the season.

All of this makes the playoff critics seem quite prescient. College football is becoming just like college basketball - it's all about the postseason tournament and anything less is "meaningless".

 

[Wolegib]

at what point in time will players dictate I'm not going to play in the non-conference games because they're also meaningless?

or I don't want to play against Rutgers or in the cold snow because I may get injured? When star players don't play it makes it riskier safety wise for their back-ups to play.

what happens when an olineman looks at the size of UW and decides, he doesn't want to play because he knows he'll get manhandled?

I believe you should ask Drew Brees his opinion about the bowl games he participated in. As none of them were played for a championship.

 

[BoilerTom90]

at what point in time will players dictate I'm not going to play in the non-conference games because they're also meaningless?

or I don't want to play against Rutgers or in the cold snow because I may get injured? When star players don't play it makes it riskier safety wise for their back-ups to play.

what happens when an olineman looks at the size of UW and decides, he doesn't want to play because he knows he'll get manhandled?

I believe you should ask Drew Brees his opinion about the bowl games he participated in. As none of them were played for a championship.

not sure why those guys even get out of bed some days. After all, they could fall and sprain an ankle, or a meteor could fall on their head while walking to class. Why take chances? TIC

 

[nat100]

at what point in time will players dictate I'm not going to play in the non-conference games because they're also meaningless?

or I don't want to play against Rutgers or in the cold snow because I may get injured? When star players don't play it makes it riskier safety wise for their back-ups to play.

what happens when an olineman looks at the size of UW and decides, he doesn't want to play because he knows he'll get manhandled?

I believe you should ask Drew Brees his opinion about the bowl games he participated in. As none of them were played for a championship.

For someone who posted in this thread that they don’t worry about what MIGHT happen, this post is hilarious

 

[IndySouthsider]

I don't disagree, but that begs the question, why are we even playing these "meaningless" games? At what point are the games "meaningful" enough for the risk? If this is the future of bowl games, I think they should all be scrapped and the playoff should be expanded to 8 or even 16 teams.

I understand not wanting to take the risk (and I would also likely counsel any potential first round pick to not take the risk, certainly on anything less than a New Year's Day bowl) but I still feel bad for the players and fans that some teams are losing some of their best players during what is supposed to be the prime game of the season.

All of this makes the playoff critics seem quite prescient. College football is becoming just like college basketball - it's all about the postseason tournament and anything less is "meaningless".

To be fair I should say meaningless to the exiting players. I like the extra practice and think it’s a good time to work on things for the next season.

 

[Wolegib]

why even bother playing any games at all? After the first loss all games are meaningless why not just give Alabama their crown?