Maybe is wasn't all Hazell's fault

[Fan4Life]

Many of the coaches Purdue considered (or were on fan's wish lists) before hiring Darell Hazell have either been fired or on hot seats of their own. Maybe that was just a bad time to hire a coach.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...ball-coaches-wholl-enter-2017-hot-seat-011817

Sumlin, Doeren, Butch Jones, Kingsbury. . .
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...ball-coaches-wholl-enter-2017-hot-seat-011817

 

[nat100]

Hazell was bad. Historically bad. What happened at other schools doesn't change that

 

[BoilerBloodline]

Hazell was bad. Historically bad. What happened at other schools doesn't change that

HOLY I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!

 

[ChuckJr]

Recruiting, game management, recruiting, no player development, recruiting, lack of discipline, recruiting, no identity on offense or defense, recruiting, CEO, recruiting and did I mention recruiting.

 

[Wolegib]

I would agree with the original poster. I don't believe it was all Hazell's fault. However, when he first arrived, he said rather than running around like a chicken with it's head cut off, and going hog-wild after more recruits, he planned to take a wait and see approach as his first season progressed to evaluate his team and their needs. He took his long contract, and basically blew the first season away evaluating his players. Brohm did that in his first 2 weeks on the job looking at game film.. and brohm's recruiting has reflected he knows exactly what our weaknesses are and the type of players he wants to recruit.

Hazell had an offensive philosophy of wanting to have a two power running back offense. That works in the MAC with smaller players, but not in the BIG 10. and he never recruited big enough lineman to make that a viable offense. And his idea of having smaller, faster defensive lineman didn't work against the much bigger offensive lines of BIG 10 teams. They wore down after constantly running around tackles and being bulldozed..

Somebody said Hazell was terrible at recruiting and wouldn't let his assistants do their job recruiting players. He brought in experienced assistants from power 5 schools. I can't believe they didn't inform Hazell that was the wrong approach. I blame the assistants for not standing up to Hazell. Were our last two coordinators here just to accept a paycheck?

I also blame Parker. he was our recruiting coordinator. You should take a look at the targeted and offered player lists of other BIG 10 schools. and then look at the list of Purdue targeted players. We were nowhere close to targeting the talent level other BIG 10 teams targeted. We set ourselves up for failure. And I blame Parker for that.

There are many coaches who turn game management over to their offensive and defensive coordinators. Saban is one. However, when our best linebacker says in the middle of the season, he still hasn't totally grasped our defensive schemes, and he was out of position for many TDs, who is to blame? I don't blame Hazell for that.

But when you say the word recruiting 5 times as the root of our demise, I believe the former recruiting coordinator should accept and share some of the blame for our recruiting woes.

 

[hoosierbugs]

Just an observation, but Hazel was not getting financial help.....The Daniels "we don't want to get in an athletics arms race" sent a negative vibe...finally, the facility is being built and the coaches are now being paid competitive....

DiNardo was asked by JMV and responded, "If I were recruiting against Purdue, I'd tell the player to ask the coach that you see the commitment and facilities to basketball all the previous years...where is the commitment to football?"

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Are we making excuses for a guy that made 2M a year and did nothing? I really hope not...

 

[TC4THREE]

I'm not excusing Hazell but I will say that this goes along with my theory about hiring a football coach at Purdue and I still maintain they were stupid to fire Hope coming off back-to-back bowl seasons when the available coaching talent (available to Purdue under Burke anyway) was so lacking. Burke should've given Hope one more season if he could not deliver a better coach than he did. A good coach that will come to Purdue is not going to be available every year. If you can't get one, keep the current coach and don't make a 4-5 year mistake as opposed to a 1-year mistake.

 

[nat100]

I'm not excusing Hazell but I will say that this goes along with my theory about hiring a football coach at Purdue and I still maintain they were stupid to fire Hope coming off back-to-back bowl seasons when the available coaching talent (available to Purdue under Burke anyway) was so lacking. Burke should've given Hope one more season if he could not deliver a better coach than he did. A good coach that will come to Purdue is not going to be available every year. If you can't get one, keep the current coach and don't make a 4-5 year mistake as opposed to a 1-year mistake.

Big boosters forced burkes hand.

Agree it was a bad look to fire hope when they did, but I think Burke caved

 

[Indy_Rider]

Yeah, the top perceived candidates that year were apparently not good. Probably wouldn't be as bad as a shape with someone else, but doesn't seem like any of the top ones were the answer. There were some good ones hired though like CU and MacIntyre, but that was after Jones turned them down too. So they kind of lucked into a good hire.

 

[Wolegib]

My thought process was if you want a 1-11 season, why fire Hope? He could get you at least 4-6 wins at half the price.

 

[ossim]

Hazell had to sign off on every single player that got offered and as a result we didn't cast a wide enough net on recruits. I don't know if its because he learned from Tressell, but for some reason he thought that the recruits we offered would be jumping at the chance to come to Purdue like they would at OSU. Ultimately, when many of those recruits committed elsewhere, instead of having a solid B and C list of existing offers out there, Hazell and co. were stuck looking for an option E, none of the above. The assistants were very ham stringed by the recruiting process. Hazell was the CEO head coach and not in a good way. He is that guy who burn a company down with a narrow minded vision despite what everyone around and working under him has to say.

 

[Wolegib]

Hazell had to sign off on every single player that got offered and as a result we didn't cast a wide enough net on recruits. I don't know if its because he learned from Tressell, but for some reason he thought that the recruits we offered would be jumping at the chance to come to Purdue like they would at OSU. Ultimately, when many of those recruits committed elsewhere, instead of having a solid B and C list of existing offers out there, Hazell and co. were stuck looking for an option E, none of the above. The assistants were very ham stringed by the recruiting process. Hazell was the CEO head coach and not in a good way. He is that guy who burn a company down with a narrow minded vision despite what everyone around and working under him has to say.

I would tend to agree with your assessment, although I don't know the reasoning behind why Hazell would want to handle recruiting in that fashion. This goes against the way all other BIG schools do business? Is this the way Tressell recruited? Placing no confidence in his assistant coaches to recruit players? When I look at the previous targets and offers made, Purdue under Hazell made about 1/3rd the amount of offers other BIG 10 teams averaged! In one month, Brohm has given out more offers than Hazell did in the previous 12 months as a coach. was Hazell that narrowly focused? I just don't understand it. Cronk is the typical example. Hazell watched him play several times. He grew up and lived in West Lafayette. He went to CC. He expressed an interest in Purdue. How hard would it have been just to give him an offer and show an interest? I don't fault Hazell for not signing him. But to not send him an offer is sheer stupidity . And this is where I blame his assistant coaches for not having the foot balls to stand up to Hazell and tell him how stupid his recruiting philosophy was. When you work for a company, and your boss is new and has no clue, you need to step up and show him what's best for the company, or the entire company will fail. And that goes for the AD and Purdue President as well. We all saw the company fail. That's the reason I say it wasn't all Hazell's fault. When you have a failure this big, there are others who should also share the blame.

 

[nat100]

I would tend to agree with your assessment, although I don't know the reasoning behind why Hazell would want to handle recruiting in that fashion. This goes against the way all other BIG schools do business? Is this the way Tressell recruited? Placing no confidence in his assistant coaches to recruit players? When I look at the previous targets and offers made, Purdue under Hazell made about 1/3rd the amount of offers other BIG 10 teams averaged! In one month, Brohm has given out more offers than Hazell did in the previous 12 months as a coach. was Hazell that narrowly focused? I just don't understand it. Cronk is the typical example. Hazell watched him play several times. He grew up and lived in West Lafayette. He went to CC. He expressed an interest in Purdue. How hard would it have been just to give him an offer and show an interest? I don't fault Hazell for not signing him. But to not send him an offer is sheer stupidity . And this is where I blame his assistant coaches for not having the foot balls to stand up to Hazell and tell him how stupid his recruiting philosophy was. When you work for a company, and your boss is new and has no clue, you need to step up and show him what's best for the company, or the entire company will fail. And that goes for the AD and Purdue President as well. We all saw the company fail. That's the reason I say it wasn't all Hazell's fault. When you have a failure this big, there are others who should also share the blame.

Shoop begged Hazell to offer Cronk. Didnt happen.

 

[SKYDOG]

Are we making excuses for a guy that made 2M a year and did nothing? I really hope not...

Sure sounds like it! It really surprises me that people see the same thing and come to complete opposite conclusions.

 

[Wolegib]

Shoop begged Hazell to offer Cronk. Didnt happen.

I know that and I've heard that many times before. But for every Cronk, I have to believe there were 50-100 other recruits that our assistant coaches saw, that were worthy of an offer, and we didn't give one. What was most disappointing was that after our summer camps, not seeing any offers given or commitments received. Surely, there was somebody who came to our camp worthy of an offer and also expecting to receive one. That's why I blame Shoop and other assistants for not taking Hazell aside, and informing him, we need to make a change here. that's not the way recruiting works in the big leagues.

 

[ossim]

Honestly, I think the Hazell filter on recruiting had less to do with talent and more to do with - did they fit the type of player that would follow his "A" list players manual model. But that could just as easily be a Burke directive. I know that Burke was not happy with the number of off the field issues that occurred during the Hope era and probably gave Hazell a short leash in turn leading to a TSA level screening process for recruits.

 

[nat100]

Honestly, I think the Hazell filter on recruiting had less to do with talent and more to do with - did they fit the type of player that would follow his "A" list players manual model. But that could just as easily be a Burke directive. I know that Burke was not happy with the number of off the field issues that occurred during the Hope era and probably gave Hazell a short leash in turn leading to a TSA level screening process for recruits.

That worked well.

That a list line was stolen from tressel

 

[Wolegib]

exactly. while supposedly running a clean program, the West Lafayette police blotter still contained a lot of names of athletes. You can't hide everything.

 

[SunnyFL24]

[LOQUOTE="ChuckJr, post: 1289952, member: 1750"]Recruiting, game management, recruiting, no player development, recruiting, lack of discipline, recruiting, no identity on offense or defense, recruiting, CEO, recruiting and did I mention recruiting.[/QUOTE]
..........that just about sums it up.............

 

[SunnyFL24]

I'm not excusing Hazell but I will say that this goes along with my theory about hiring a football coach at Purdue and I still maintain they were stupid to fire Hope coming off back-to-back bowl seasons when the available coaching talent (available to Purdue under Burke anyway) was so lacking. Burke should've given Hope one more season if he could not deliver a better coach than he did. A good coach that will come to Purdue is not going to be available every year. If you can't get one, keep the current coach and don't make a 4-5 year mistake as opposed to a 1-year mistake.

Touuche! been saying that all along..........

 

[mk_peters]

I'm not excusing Hazell but I will say that this goes along with my theory about hiring a football coach at Purdue and I still maintain they were stupid to fire Hope coming off back-to-back bowl seasons when the available coaching talent (available to Purdue under Burke anyway) was so lacking. Burke should've given Hope one more season if he could not deliver a better coach than he did. A good coach that will come to Purdue is not going to be available every year. If you can't get one, keep the current coach and don't make a 4-5 year mistake as opposed to a 1-year mistake.

You go, bro.