Matt Haarms
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He was with the team overseas. I assume he followed the standard rules for all of the rest of collegiate players.
So, he could travel, was he allowed to practice. I know the NCAA has some strange rules!
Sure hope the team can improve from last year. Love to see them win.
Yeah he was there. I think Tommy Luce was too. They didn't dress for the games. My guess was they could practice the usual 2 hours a week with the team and then do whatever they wanted, training wise, on their own time.
He got half the season to practice with the team last year. He'll be ready to go! He's a 7 foot forward!
Can someone ban these constant contradictors? That makes people not want to come here. Sheesh. Haarms is listed as a forward on Purdue's own page.
I could be wrong here, but I heard that he is not a US citizen so that is why he could not participate on the team. Please do not chastise if I am incorrect.
As I look at this year's team and see both Haas and Taylor playing well at center, Haarms may see a lot more time playing forward than some may be ready to admit. It will be interesting to see if Painter employs a twin towers of Haas and Haarms, or if Haarms is relegated to sitting on the pine as our third string center.
From everything I've read and video I've seen, I'd say he is more of a forward than a center, at least he was before he got to Purdue. In high school he lived on the three point line as that long Euro-style forward position. Is that a good thing? I don't know. I'm looking forward to seeing him play in some real games.
And yes, he doesn't have US citizenship and that is why he was on the sidelines during the WUG.
And yes, he doesn't have US citizenship and that is why he was on the sidelines during the WUG.
You saw Taylor at center because our backup center/PF Haarms couldn't play center as he was not eligible. Yes, Haarms can play forward, but it makes a lot more sense to play Taylor at the 4, and Haarms at the 5. Vince Edwards skill would also push him to be the center not PF. We also could use the rebounding, So when Haas is out, he will need to be the main rebounder as the center, and I don't think Taylor quite fills that mold. Taylor is the ideal PF size for college, he is an undersized center. We can't really know for sure until the season starts, as our "pre season" didn't show Haarms. I'd say Haas averages 30 at center, Haarms 10. When there's foul trouble Taylor slides more into center role. Lets remember, Hammons, and Haas both came in as a true freshman and had solid freshman years. Why wouldn't a taller, older, red shirt freshman who has practiced with the team who is also a 4 star be viable?
Do we need more rebounding this year. Last year, we had 2 big men and a SF playing PF. If a Biggie or Haas were both in foul trouble we were screwed. Matt then took Haas out at any sign of foul trouble. Haas learned not to be aggressive on D or going after rebounds. What he did was seal off a side by boxing out and let others get aggressive going after the boards.
This year, we have Haas plus Taylor, Haarms and Ewing and Taylor has looked great this year. IMO, Vince should be playing 20 minutes at SF and 10 minutes at PF. Taylor, Haarms and Ewing can get 30 minutes at PF and C. Haas gets 30 minutes at C and we have a great rebounding team with a plenty of muscle and intimidation inside. We already have enough scorers and 3 pt shooters. We need D and boards.
Haas has the quick feet to make great offensive moves and IMO he can control the d boards with a little more aggression. Playing small ball may be more enjoyable to watch, but if we want to go further in the tourney we need a bigger lineup.
I think that you are underrating Taylor as a rebounder. From what I saw in Taipei, I believe that he will probably lead the team in rebounds per minute. Sometimes he might get out of defensive rebounding position chasing blocks, but that's a trade-off that capable shot blockers need to balance.
I haven't seen enough of Haarms to have an opinion on his rebounding, but it would be a little surprising to me if he is a better rebounder than Taylor at this stage.
Until I see otherwise, I think that Purdue will continue to be at its best with Vince Edwards at the 4 and I think that playing smaller, 1 through 4, gives Purdue its best chance for a deep tourney run. My opinion could change if Taylor or Haarms emerges as one of the top players on the team.
People look at Haarms' size and think center. However, his skill set is facing the basket, which makes him more of a forward. That said, the distinction between center and PF is a bit blurred in Purdue's offense. In fact, I find declarations of which position he will play kind of funny and ill informed.
I think Haarms comes off the bench to spell Vince at PF. Taylor will be the backup center Haas. However, I also expect to see these guys blend together and simply play the "post" in its most general sense.
I think Haarms comes off the bench to spell Vince at PF. Taylor will be the backup center Haas. However, I also expect to see these guys blend together and simply play the "post" in its most general sense.
That wasn't contradiction. It was contrarianism.
Just a joke.
You are correct. But that will not save you from ridicule.
My understanding is that
Haarms could go as long as he did not exceed the normal NCAA permitted practice time while the official USA team members were allowed extra time for practice for the WUG games.
My guess is that which position he plays on offense will not matter. I think his time on the floor is dependent on what he can cover defensively.
18-19 will be very interesting with Haas off to the Pros. I think Haarms, Taylor and Ewing will rotate to be two power forwards on the floor all the time with no one playing a traditional center role.
Does there have to be a "4" and a "5"? The game had evolved. Why can't there be two PFs? Many teams Purdue will face this year wont have a "traditional" 5. To defend anyway.
Gonzaga and North Carolina both had really really big and slow 5s. It's not like a game that survived 100 years needs to evolve
I'm with you...never saw a hint of a 5, but not aware of what he has been doing while at Purdue. Haas is our only real 5. Taylor came in as a 4, but has grown into a 4+. Still, I haven't seen Haarms or know anything about him other than the video you mentioned...
my personal preference is two 4's...and even more with the change in rules. Still, there is aways room for a good 5
I realize the real games haven't started yet! But I truly believe the WUG provided a very big glimpse of what to expect this year! In regards to Haarms and also Taylor, I would believe if Painter had any thoughts of having a twin towers, he would have experimented in several of the blowouts and played a tandem of Taylor and Haas. One of those blowouts would have been the perfect time to experiment and provide an evaluation. The fact Painter did not try this combination suggests to me he has no desire to ever do so. He may be more willing to give Haarms the opportunity to do so. But if you don't see it early, don't expect Painter to experiment with it after the season is in full swing! I don't really expect Ewing or Haarms to really see many minutes this year. Coaches tend to go with what is successful! And Purdue was very successful with the rotations it used during the WUG!
Offense is skill relative to position as you said. Haas is effective down low, not up high. He truly is a throwback 5. If Haarms plays with Haas he will play the perimeter and try to crash the offensive boards. If Taylor is playing with Haarms...both will play out AND inside trying to take advantage of the best mismatch on D. If Haarms can put the ball on the court in a somewhat effective manner, he will play I would expect.
That's what we will play like when Haas graduates. I think it will be fun to watch.
I'd guess (or perhaps hope) that he develops similarly to Mo Wagner, who is usually referred to as a forward but who was typically matched up with centers last season. I think that the reason on this site argue about his position is that some are thinking about his role on offense, while others are thinking about line-ups and match-ups and assuming that every line-up has each of a 1 through 5.
I think it's obvious Taylor will get the most minutes this year of the 3 mentioned. I'm guessing Taylor and Wheeler start in the front court next year.
This is why I had said he'll be a center who works outside in. He'll guard a center on defense but will be a post player who works outside first to use his speed, ball handeling, and size to his advantage in a system with Eastern and Carsen at the top of the key in a pick and roll/pop offense.
I see positions as an offensive skill. I See that 5 players are needed. Most teams don't actually play the old 2 guards, 2 forwards and one center. Teams typically play 3 out and 2 inside or 4 out and one inside. From video I only saw Haarms as a 4. Now he may guard a 4 or he may guard a five or if in a zone he may guard an area. Still, I have no idea what he can do...i just know he showed some agility and a perimeter shot and if he can put the ball on the court he could be like one of the 4s that played for michigan last year... Wagner or Wilson
We just differ on wording...although he may guard a 4 as well
I just envision Haarms attempting to guard our 4...Vince. Don't think it would end well.
You should have insight. Taylor will split time with haas...i think we all feel good about Taylor at this time. Do you see Taylor playing some 4?
I don't know...i haven't seen him play. I know he has about 7 inches on him and probably 10 inches in reach. Vince may have problems with him? See, I admit I don't know because I haven't seen him. He may be 2 or 3 years away...i don't know. Either others had a sneak preview or they have just scratched him because?
Put it this way. If he is able to guard Vince Edwards well at 7'3", I can't wait to see him play.
this is the sad part. We haven't seen him play. We "COULD" have seen him play last year, but Painter decided to redshirt him rather than allow him to play last year. and our current judgements are being made on what we have seen.
because we like what we've seen of Taylor, we believe he will be Haas' back-up this year. Who is to say Haarms is not better than Taylor ?
because using the 3 guard line-up was so successful during the WUG, we naturally assume C Edwards earned starter minutes, and V Edwards will play the vast majority of his minutes at PF. Who is to say that Haarms won't be great and force V Edwards to play Sf and force Matias or C Edwards to the bench?
Who is to say anything ???? and if we say anything, we're accused of speculating before the season started.
I'm sorry, but I take small samples and speculate. I saw Irma coming as a tropical storm. I see another hurricane coming. There are many things you can speculate that come true.
at the end of the year, most people saw the loss of Biggie creating a huge hole for minutes. and most people assumed those minutes would be taken by another power forward like Ewing or Haarms. But after seeing Purdue play in the WUG, I'm going to speculate Biggie's minutes will be taken by C Edwards, and not a PF, and V Edwards will slide over. and Purdue will play with a smaller line-up this year.
And Haarms will go 2 years before we really see what he can do. it would have better for haarms if he'd have been able to play at that prep school last year and not waste a red shirt year. but that's in the past. I think he has talent, we just won't be able to see it and Purdue won't utilize it this year.
because we like what we've seen of Taylor, we believe he will be Haas' back-up this year. Who is to say Haarms is not better than Taylor ?
because using the 3 guard line-up was so successful during the WUG, we naturally assume C Edwards earned starter minutes, and V Edwards will play the vast majority of his minutes at PF. Who is to say that Haarms won't be great and force V Edwards to play Sf and force Matias or C Edwards to the bench?
Who is to say anything ???? and if we say anything, we're accused of speculating before the season started.
I'm sorry, but I take small samples and speculate. I saw Irma coming as a tropical storm. I see another hurricane coming. There are many things you can speculate that come true.
at the end of the year, most people saw the loss of Biggie creating a huge hole for minutes. and most people assumed those minutes would be taken by another power forward like Ewing or Haarms. But after seeing Purdue play in the WUG, I'm going to speculate Biggie's minutes will be taken by C Edwards, and not a PF, and V Edwards will slide over. and Purdue will play with a smaller line-up this year.
And Haarms will go 2 years before we really see what he can do. it would have better for haarms if he'd have been able to play at that prep school last year and not waste a red shirt year. but that's in the past. I think he has talent, we just won't be able to see it and Purdue won't utilize it this year.
Issue with Haarms was that because of his eligibility issues, his college clocknstarted ticking. Going to a prep school wouldn't have done anything for him other than waste a year. Getting him in campus and RS'ing allowed him to not only learn the system but to also learn the culture, bond with the players, and work with the training staff to add good weight and become more athletic.
If we want to look at Purdue's team within the traditional 1-5 positions, we have Ewng, Taylor, Haarms, Haas, Wheeler, Eifert and Edwards as front line players. Only Haas and Taylor are listed as true centers (2). That leaves Ewng, Haarms, Wheeler, Eifert, and Edwards as forwards (5). If Matt goes with a 3-guard line, playing time will be scarce. Matt has done that in the past, playing small, but it gives away one of our best and biggest advantages. I can see us often playing 2 forwards, 2 guards, and a center (playing big). When we play big, that give 5 guys to play 2 positions. I bet all five get some minutes in that situation. It is a nice luxury having this many good front court players. We will see if they can move from good to great.
Of course, we have 6 guards (not counting Luce) to play 2 positions. That's more crowded than forward.
On the other hand Matt usually puts the 5 best players out there regardless of position, to a degree. In the motion offense, the players traditional position doesn't mean much so all this hand wringing about minutes for this guy or that is probably misguided.
Of course, we have 6 guards (not counting Luce) to play 2 positions. That's more crowded than forward.
On the other hand Matt usually puts the 5 best players out there regardless of position, to a degree. In the motion offense, the players traditional position doesn't mean much so all this hand wringing about minutes for this guy or that is probably misguided.
That's tough to say since if all those listed we have only really seen Taylor play. We just don't know where Haarms and Ewing are yet. The 2018 question is even harder to intelligently answer at this point. Ask again in December.
Maybe I am misunderstanding but it appears you are saying the decision to redshirt Haarms was a poor decision.
If so, you are wrong. It was the only sensible choice to make. It was that or lose a half year of eligibility to sit behind Biggie and Haas. As far as this year goes it is simple. If he is better than Haas he will start. If he is worse than Taylor he will sit most of the time.
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