Marshall vs Purdue TV info
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Ugh, the thought of that makes me sad.
If he wins 4 id rather fire Burke first. I dont want him making the next hire.
I fully believe if he shows up on Saturdays he keeps his job. I could buy staff movement, but I dont think that will happen either.
One of the first things I read in the preview mag that gave me the type of hope Im looking for is the switch to more 4 receiver sets. I was/am fully expecting this staff to try the same strategy they tried last year with physically immature TEs getting abused, and thats a position they have been pretty bad at using effectively, particurally in blocking downs, already. Having this identified in the spring, instead of wasting half the season on it, is they type of basic stuff I am looking for. That said, this staff has said a lot of things in the offseason and done another on Saturdays so we will see.
It means enough to me Im rethinking my 2 win prediction to 4ish.
And I know youre down on the 2013 team, but this year reminds me a lot of 2013. In 2013, most people, including non purdue press, thought Hazell was a great hire and would bring instant toughness to the team. Then we all saw how bad they were, and I remember a poster saying "What do you expect, look how much we lost from the 2012 team in terms of % of total offense".
What % of total offense did we lost from last year? Im guessing 70%? Instantly replacing that is tough, and team cohesion hasnt been a strength.
One of the first things I read in the preview mag that gave me the type of hope Im looking for is the switch to more 4 receiver sets. I was/am fully expecting this staff to try the same strategy they tried last year with physically immature TEs getting abused, and thats a position they have been pretty bad at using effectively, particurally in blocking downs, already. Having this identified in the spring, instead of wasting half the season on it, is they type of basic stuff I am looking for. That said, this staff has said a lot of things in the offseason and done another on Saturdays so we will see.
It means enough to me Im rethinking my 2 win prediction to 4ish.
And I know youre down on the 2013 team, but this year reminds me a lot of 2013. In 2013, most people, including non purdue press, thought Hazell was a great hire and would bring instant toughness to the team. Then we all saw how bad they were, and I remember a poster saying "What do you expect, look how much we lost from the 2012 team in terms of % of total offense".
What % of total offense did we lost from last year? Im guessing 70%? Instantly replacing that is tough, and team cohesion hasnt been a strength.
Definitely far less than 70%...I'd say 40%
The thing to me is that 40% won't be tough to replace. The home run hitting speed will be tough...but we've swapped those guys for 2 that are more possession type backs. I know you rail on that, but when you have 2 guys who are good at a minimum for 4 yards a pop instead of 2, it changes the entire way a defense plans and prepares for you.
Sinz skill set is replicable. So is Holmes. If he had anything more than just potential and could actually catch, he'd have been be a sure fire high round draft pick. Again, we won't be hitting 80 yard plays, but we can certainly hit 40-50+ yard plays more often if defenses have to stack the box to stop the run and are forced to play the pass honestly.
The production we lost from 2012 to 2013 was QB, OL and WR....and those are tougher to replace IMO. That young OL killed us in 2013.
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I hope someone calls us on this. I bet Hunt and Mostert were 40% alone.
I do agree on the rest of your comments, we just place different emphasis on them.
To be clear, I do like our backs, Knox in particular. My issue is them is my same with Blough. Our only chance to evaluate them was a spring game. That game moves slower, and the mismatched units on the line cannot be ignored. What we know is that they dont look terrible. Unless one is regularly at practice, they have no idea how much better they are than not bad.
Tried to do some math while on a trip with a small child. Depending on how you look at it, we are both right. If you just add up all the yards for each player, the seniors + Etling made up 50% ish I seem to remember. However, that double counts passing yards because a 5 yard run goes down as 5 yards in the stat book but a 5 yard pass gives yards to the QB and WR. So if you just take the total actual yards Purdue gained per game and take out yards by a senior, youre closer to my number.
Further yet, if you look at all purpose yards Hunt and Mostert had half the teams yards alone.
It will be hard to NOT miss Hunt and Mostert in the kick return game. Two gamebreakers out there at the same time....that's tough to stop.
Outside of that, I think the run game will be better. If we give Knox 15-20 carries a game, no way he isn't a 1000 yard rusher this next year. Green is a question mark to me. For how slow he is, he seems to be really good at getting outside and breaking 10-25 yard runs.
I don't think we will skip much of a beat in the run game overall. What we trade in the speed game, we get back with RBs who are way more likely to get tough yards behind a VERY experienced OL.
By my calculations we lose 78% of our rushing yards and 46% of our receiving yards, with half of the returning receiving yards belonging to Anthrop alone. Overall it comes to a little over 60% of total offensive yards lost from 2014 (didn't bother with kick, punt, or interception returns).
All of this stuff about MB being supportive of Hope and whether or not Mb or Hazell said that it will take time misses the one and only thing that MB cares about: putting butts into the seats. Hope was a pretty good coach, he had a habit of beating Ohio State, he had a great OC in Nord, and he had terrible luck with injuries to his quarterbacks. However, his personality didn't fit well with anyone north of I-40 , he recruited Florida and Georgia almost exclusively, he pretty much ignored players from Indiana, Illinois, and Ohio, and attendance dropped precipitously. Burke was clear that he wanted more players whose fans could/ would drive to games and he wanted attendance to exceed 50,000 fans every Saturday. This talk about how many wins Hazell will need this year and next misses the point. How many fans will pay to come to Ross. Ade?
And what qualifications do yo have? let me guess, third string on your HS team.....
Several of his points are valid
Nord was a good OC. He did have injury issues at the qb and Hope's personality was a bad fit north of the Ohio river.
I think a lot of fans wish Hope were still here, as opposed to our current program deflator. I think we/Purdue could/can do better [hopefully?] than Hope, but, the powers that be, took a real chance on a [basically, at this level & position] unproven, green, youngster, who may have had a vision & dream, but not the W's & experience at this level to back up his aspirations & dreams, unfortunately. I wish Coach Hazell & the program all the best, & always will, nothing personal, but if Coach Hazell get's the 3 B1G conference wins he should need to keep this job, I'd be pleasantly shocked, amazed & bewildered. There's just no evidence of significant changes in this team right now, that realistically allows one to think any great positive changes are comming to Purdue or Hazell anytime soon, unfortunately. Here's hoping we get 3 conference wins, Hazell stays & really turns things around.
I think when Hope departed, we [probably should have been thinking] more along the lines of, who can we get that's better than Hope, instead of, let's take a chance on a young, basically [at this level & position] inexperienced, green, guy, who if actually turns this program around, will make us/powers that be, look like geniuses, experts & worth the pay we get for making these calculated, difficult, nerve racking decisions. Next time, let's get a little more position/job level proven, experience, & a little less hope, potential & aspirations type of coach. I doubt those powers make this kind of mistake again, anytime soon. They probably can't afford to? Go with a proven commodity next time. May cost you more in the short term [$ wise], but the benifits far outweigh the negetive consequences of the alternative.
If a/any coach doesn't have/practice discipline at any level/all levels, they have nothing, & will never ammount to anything, anytime, until that sense of discipline is instilled into the players, program & organization, on & off the field, classroom & workplace included. Discipline is a basic fundamental all coaches, managers, supervisors, leaders & organizers must have, use & impliment fairly, across the board. You never hire coaches, managers, supervisors, organizers, leaders or authority figures, who don't show a strong sense of just discipline, across the board, in any & every circumstance. The valued experience Hazell gets at Purdue, may just cost someone their job
