Making Purdue basketball 'cool'

[bonefish1]

Is Painter making PU basketball cool from a recruiting perspective?
Obviously winning helps, but, he's got the highest scoring team in the league, they shoot a ton of 3's, starts a true frosh who has the green light any time he wants to pull the trigger, has a big who plays inside out and has the green light, uses a 6'8 point forward with the freedom to drive or shoot, and guys get better in the program.
I know D is important but I think Painters offense is hopefully taking over the identity.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Is Painter making PU basketball cool from a recruiting perspective?
Obviously winning helps, but, he's got the highest scoring team in the league, they shoot a ton of 3's, starts a true frosh who has the green light any time he wants to pull the trigger, has a big who plays inside out and has the green light, uses a 6'8 point forward with the freedom to drive or shoot, and guys get better in the program.
I know D is important but I think Painters offense is hopefully taking over the identity.

I think you are right. But the tough road wins are coming with subtle improvement on defense. We don't win that IU game either D from two weeks ago. But yes the offense is the sexy side and it's showing.

 

[Do Dah Day]

If your question is "Does this year's style of play (or players playing differently - it may not a different style) causes some recruits to want to play here more than they might have last year, then yes, both from an excitement standpoint and a competitive standpoint. I think the "green light" aspect has always been there when earned, we just didn't have players earning it last year. If we add a couple more feathers to our cap in the Dance, and keep up the momentum next year, things could become a lot better from a recruiting standpoint.

Also knowing that for some totally undefinable reason, good recruits chose Illinois this year?????? - there is always the WTF aspect lurking in recruiting. \

If a recruit is truly looking at PU and IU without in-state bias from the day he was born, why would he want to play for IU these days? I have to wonder how Bryant feels about his choice. Most good players have not experienced many defeats in their careers.

 

[bonefish1]

If your question is "Does this year's style of play (or players playing differently - it may not a different style) causes some recruits to want to play here more than they might have last year, then yes, both from an excitement standpoint and a competitive standpoint. I think the "green light" aspect has always been there when earned, we just didn't have players earning it last year. If we add a couple more feathers to our cap in the Dance, and keep up the momentum next year, things could become a lot better from a recruiting standpoint.

Also knowing that for some totally undefinable reason, good recruits chose Illinois this year?????? - there is always the WTF aspect lurking in recruiting. \

If a recruit is truly looking at PU and IU without in-state bias from the day he was born, why would he want to play for IU these days? I have to wonder how Bryant feels about his choice. Most good players have not experienced many defeats in their careers.

Agree. If a player is looking at iu and Purdue, there's a huge difference in coaching and player development. A guy looking at iu might be intrigued by the ability to completely freelance on offense, but then might look at Purdue and see the opportunity to become a better player while at the same time, development into an NBA player.

 

[M51]

Is Painter making PU basketball cool from a recruiting perspective?
Obviously winning helps, but, he's got the highest scoring team in the league, they shoot a ton of 3's, starts a true frosh who has the green light any time he wants to pull the trigger, has a big who plays inside out and has the green light, uses a 6'8 point forward with the freedom to drive or shoot, and guys get better in the program.
I know D is important but I think Painters offense is hopefully taking over the identity.

Did not help in landing top targets for 2017!

 

[BBG]

Is Painter making PU basketball cool from a recruiting perspective?
Obviously winning helps, but, he's got the highest scoring team in the league, they shoot a ton of 3's, starts a true frosh who has the green light any time he wants to pull the trigger, has a big who plays inside out and has the green light, uses a 6'8 point forward with the freedom to drive or shoot, and guys get better in the program.
I know D is important but I think Painters offense is hopefully taking over the identity.

Painter I think is doing all he can to make Purdue as attractive as it can be to a recruit. And let's be honest, that is no easy sell considering the stereotype the university has as a whole (which is a good thing, mind you).

But the style of play under Painter has changed this year and I think that is evident by how much freedom CE has. Also keep in mind we are only a couple years in to the new rule changes and he previously recruited for the rules prior to the changes. So going from one style to another is not going to be an overnight thing, but we are well on our way IMO.

And lastly, we have a supportive AD. I brought this up in another thread (poorly mind you) but as others have pointed out, CMP seems much more relaxed on the court and I am not lost on the coincidence of that happening and the new AD coming around.

It really is starting to feel like we are on the precipice of something great. It may not happen this year, but I can honestly say I haven't been this interested to see where this train goes dating back to Gene's days. I've said it before I am primarily a "football guy" but right now the basketball program has me hooked.

 

[BBG]

Did not help in landing top targets for 2017!

Based on who's top targets? Yours or just what you think Painter should be going after? He is swinging for the fences which is what everyone wanted and is going up against the "big boys" and while not getting the uber 5* recruits, he is not getting schlubs either.

And given CMP's track record at developing players, good things are liable to happen with the ones he did get. Just look at CE as an example, the kid is a stud and he turned out to be EXACTLY what we needed for this year.

 

[M51]

Based on who's top targets? Yours or just what you think Painter should be going after? He is swinging for the fences which is what everyone wanted and is going up against the "big boys" and while not getting the uber 5* recruits, he is not getting schlubs either.

And given CMP's track record at developing players, good things are liable to happen with the ones he did get. Just look at CE as an example, the kid is a stud and he turned out to be EXACTLY what we needed for this year.

Based on Painter's. You and I both know that he did not get his first or second choices for some positions. So no, I doubt if the style of play has helped any.

 

[BBG]

Based on Painter's. You and I both know that he did not get his first or second choices for some positions. So no, I doubt if the style of play has helped any.

No we don't know that because we weren't part of the recruiting process.

And realistically the change in style wasn't evident until this season with the addition of CE.

 

[PistolPt]

Did not help in landing top targets for 2017!

C'mon. If this was the case(and I agree with OP) you will see benefits in recruiting next season and after. Everybody mostly signed early in season.

 

[bonefish1]

No we don't know that because we weren't part of the recruiting process.

And realistically the change in style wasn't evident until this season with the addition of CE.

Totally agree. I was referring to this years style, particularly with the addition of CE and the freedom MP gives him and Biggie. Granted, they're really good players, but I think MP knows you have to take the good with the bad and that's part of a players development.
Keady and early MP would have crapped themselves if a true freshman had pulled up for a 3 on a fast break, but CE does it fairly often and that freedom to do so has to be noticed by recruits.

 

[Rutherak1]

Based on Painter's. You and I both know that he did not get his first or second choices for some positions. So no, I doubt if the style of play has helped any.

Those first and second choice guys, want immediate playing time and major minutes also, next year pj, two edwards, haas, cline all will play quite a bit.

 

[BoilerBiker]

is it really a change in 'style or philosophy', or more a reflection of a change in personnel.
imo, it has more to do with the addition of CE and subtraction of AJH.

our offensive selection and production is nearly identical to last year.
(the bump has been about 2 more 3s attempted, and better %... CE/other 3s vs feeding AJH)

per game: 2016 vs 2017
FTA 21 vs 20
FGA 58 vs 59
3FGA 21 vs 23
PPG 78 vs 82

FT% 74% vs 76%
FG% 47% vs 48%
3FG% 37% vs 42%

this has been a strength of painter though - i think he 1st adapts and makes the most of a given roster, and 2nd goes with a style of play based on that.

thinking back to even the days of landry - we fed the post like it was a black hole at times, because that was our strength, didn't try to force a particular style or identity that didn't fit.

KS used to have a green light too, just produced less than CE.
i imagine our 'style' next year(or 2) would have been a bit different had we landed/not landed JJJ and NE.
kind of reminds me of what i've read about brohms' louisville/petrino 'feed the stud' offense - can be fluid depending on roster, rather than imposing a particular style year over year.

sometimes you have to go with a style that fits w/recruits you do land (i think this is what M51 suggested above).

 

[Do Dah Day]

Based on Painter's. You and I both know that he did not get his first or second choices for some positions. So no, I doubt if the style of play has helped any.

I doubt that this year's style had enough time to have any influence over this recruiting class. And it may not have a huge impact on next year's ... recruits are starting to lean one way or another before their Sr year ... generally. To judge this question on this year is not valid.

 

[Do Dah Day]

is it really a change in 'style or philosophy', or more a reflection of a change in personnel.
imo, it has more to do with the addition of CE and subtraction of AJH.

this has been a strength of painter though - i think he 1st adapts and makes the most of a given roster, and 2nd goes with a style of play based on that.

thinking back to even the days of landry - we fed the post like it was a black hole at times, because that was our strength, didn't try to force a particular style or identity that didn't fit.

KS used to have a green light too, just produced less than CE.
i imagine our 'style' next year(or 2) would have been a bit different had we landed/not landed JJJ and NE.
kind of reminds me of what i've read about brohms' louisville/petrino 'feed the stud' offense - can be fluid depending on roster, rather than imposing a particular style year over year.

sometimes you have to go with a style that fits w/recruits you do land (i think this is what M51 suggested above).

Yep!!!

 

[Boiler Wolf]

We have to play at our best in the NCAA tourney and show recruits it is fun to play at Purdue on the big stage/dance. I think that is one of the things that has hurt our recruiting for a while. A 1st round dominant game showcasing the offensive fire power, and then beating a top team from another conference in games 2 or 3 with our inside/outside game is what we need in my mind.