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Louis King. Five Star has Purdue in top 8

I will stick by what I say the kids in this state is the key to a final four. If we was able to get our fair share of these talented kids it would happen for us I guarantee it. I know who we going to hire well IU didn't know that either but they went out and found somebody. Look what he's doing
 
Okay I agree with you if we wasn't paying Matt Painter all this money. If we're just going to be happy with average then we shouldn't be paying him that type of money. I thought this pay raise was supposed to better our chances to getting us to a final four. It was supposed to better our chances with recruits and it has done none of the above we still miss out on all the talented kids in Indiana. Tom crean was luck gold mainly because he couldn't keep the kids here in state. So they went out and found somebody that could. Why can't we do the same oh I forgot we're Purdue we're not able to hire anybody like that.
Anyone else here find it extremely painful to read posts with such terrible grammar? Not to mention, that Crean was fired because he was a terrible coach not because of his recruiting. Yogi Ferrell, Hollowell, Zeller, Blackmon, etc. all from Indiana. He had several 5 stars recruits but couldn't coach them to acceptable wins.
 
Is it really that black and white?

I'm a 50+ year Boiler fan (they had stopped using peach baskets by the time I started, but just barely). I will always cheer for our sports teams and be proud of our academic successes. Period.

That said, critical thinking is one of the best things I learned in school here. The teachers and coaches who taught me the most, and ultimately supported me the best, were not shy to point out things that I should do better.

CMP is that way. So are most good coaches. I learned less from cheerleaders.

There's a fair bit of bashing on here. I don't see its value other than it lets bashers vent. But I also see criticism that's constructive.

I think we can cheer for what's good AND encourage getting better.
You will need to explain to me how criticism on this board of the program, players, or coach is "constructive"? I agree that criticisms, or better yet, improvement suggestions, offered directly to the acting parties can be useful. Offered here, it is just noise. Furthermore, it is often inaccurate. I find that Critics of good posters who offering correct data when one of you goes stupid and rants using words like "never" or "always" are almost as obnoxious as the ranter. Nothing wrong with a debate, saying someone who is positive about the program is as bad as a troll is just dumb.

I have always learned more by thinking about what people say, and comparing their "facts" to what I observe ... It can be comical.
 
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Couldn't have said it better myself. I would nominate this post as the "post of the year" if there such a thing.

I would put the trolls & the Painter can't do no wrong crowds in the same category, "non-worthwhile & non-productive".
Well, this is a bit of a WTF post. Why would you think offering criticism here, on this board, has a positive impact on anyone? Furthermore, why would you equate trolls with those folks who offer positive perspectives on the team? This is really WTF and totally screwed up. Maybe you should rethink this perspective, eh?
 
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You will need to explain to me how criticism on this board of the program, players, or coach is "constructive"? I agree that criticisms, or better yet, improvement suggestions, offered directly to the acting parties can be useful. Offered here, it is just noise. Furthermore, it is often inaccurate. I find that Critics of good posters who offering correct data when one of you goes stupid and rants using words like "never" or "always" are almost as obnoxious as the ranter. Nothing wrong with a debate, saying someone who is positive about the program is as bad as a troll is just dumb.
I have always learned more by thinking about what people say, and comparing their "facts" to what I observe ... It can be comical.
Well, this is a bit of a WTF post. Why would you think offering criticism here, on this board, has a positive impact on anyone? Furthermore, why would you equate trolls with those folks who offer positive perspectives on the team? This is really WTF and totally screwed up. Maybe you should rethink this perspective, eh?

i can understand a bit about the previous comments.

iirc, some criticisms/critiques/improvement suggestions even you have had: change recruiting toward taller, more athletic, higher rated guards (less PJ or phinisee, more NE), or suggesting after a loss that players were not listening to the coaches and playing hero ball.

on the flip side, some 'positive' posters don't bring much to the table like their negative counterparts. last season, some only contributed repeated expletives, or generic comments like you don't know anything about bball or don't watch xx hours a week of games like me, etc. others positive posters however, are quite insightful with details of the game/strategy or actual stats to back up a statement, as you mentioned.
 
You will need to explain to me how criticism on this board of the program, players, or coach is "constructive"? I agree that criticisms, or better yet, improvement suggestions, offered directly to the acting parties can be useful. Offered here, it is just noise. Furthermore, it is often inaccurate. I find that Critics of good posters who offering correct data when one of you goes stupid and rants using words like "never" or "always" are almost as obnoxious as the ranter. Nothing wrong with a debate, saying someone who is positive about the program is as bad as a troll is just dumb.

Thank you for your constructive criticism. Which to some extent proves my point. You are right, I could make it clearer.

First, why are we on this board? I suggest that we share an interest in Purdue basketball.

After that: To celebrate? Commiserate? Troll? Varies from post to post, poster to poster. How about "communicate"?

If our goal is to directly improve the "affected parties," meaning players and/or coaches, I think and hope we're deluding ourselves. You with your 5,875 posts, me with 209 ... they are all "noise." We are here to communicate with each other.

Here's an example: "I love Carsen, but wish he would not play out of control sometimes." I'm saying to fellow fans, "I celebrate this exciting player and our team, but also see how they can get better." Neither "Sis boom bah, Boilers!" nor "Boilers suck!"

I don't pretend that my fan-based constructive criticism is specific or applied enough to be useful to Carsen, CMP or our team. They're the ones there. And we're the ones here, on a chat board.
 
You will need to explain to me how criticism on this board of the program, players, or coach is "constructive"? I agree that criticisms, or better yet, improvement suggestions, offered directly to the acting parties can be useful. Offered here, it is just noise. Furthermore, it is often inaccurate. I find that Critics of good posters who offering correct data when one of you goes stupid and rants using words like "never" or "always" are almost as obnoxious as the ranter. Nothing wrong with a debate, saying someone who is positive about the program is as bad as a troll is just dumb.

I have always learned more by thinking about what people say, and comparing their "facts" to what I observe ... It can be comical.

Thank you for your constructive criticism. Which to some extent proves my point. You are right, I could make it clearer.

First, why are we on this board? I suggest that we share an interest in Purdue basketball.

After that: To celebrate? Commiserate? Troll? Varies from post to post, poster to poster. How about "communicate"?

If our goal is to directly improve the "affected parties," meaning players and/or coaches, I think and hope we're deluding ourselves. You with your 5,875 posts, me with 209 ... they are all "noise." We are here to communicate with each other.

Here's an example: "I love Carsen, but wish he would not play out of control sometimes." I'm saying to fellow fans, "I celebrate this exciting player and our team, but also see how they can get better." Neither "Sis boom bah, Boilers!" nor "Boilers suck!"

I don't pretend that my fan-based constructive criticism is specific or applied enough to be useful to Carsen, CMP or our team. They're the ones there. And we're the ones here, on a chat board.
 
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Thank you for your constructive criticism. Which to some extent proves my point. You are right, I could make it clearer.

First, why are we on this board? I suggest that we share an interest in Purdue basketball.

After that: To celebrate? Commiserate? Troll? Varies from post to post, poster to poster. How about "communicate"?

If our goal is to directly improve the "affected parties," meaning players and/or coaches, I think and hope we're deluding ourselves. You with your 5,875 posts, me with 209 ... they are all "noise." We are here to communicate with each other.

Here's an example: "I love Carsen, but wish he would not play out of control sometimes." I'm saying to fellow fans, "I celebrate this exciting player and our team, but also see how they can get better." Neither "Sis boom bah, Boilers!" nor "Boilers suck!"

I don't pretend that my fan-based constructive criticism is specific or applied enough to be useful to Carsen, CMP or our team. They're the ones there. And we're the ones here, on a chat board.
As an exchange of opinions, Ivan buy into what you say. I just don't think that there is much "constructive" about it.
 
I actually like Wole but damn it makes me mad when a grown man puts his demons on the shoulders of a group of kids who don't know him from Adam.


ok, you disagree and don't fully understand my viewpoint. I guess I'm thinking more of a player's off the field/court actions, than on the field/court actions. Players testing positive or committing crimes are similar to when a Eagle Scout gets a DUI or drug arrest, or gets caught and arrested for embezzlement. or charged with sexual assault. It's not me, that was charged. But their actions do tarnish the image of all scouts, not just their own. A player's off the court actions do tarnish the image of a lot more than missing a 3 point shot did.

I'm not sad. But I see things. if you really want to see sadness, you should visit Alabama after an Alabama football loss. I don't get depressed about Purdue losses. But I know a lot of people that do. I've seen bobbleheads become decapitated. And I've also noticed in the many places I've lived, that sadness is directly related to how good the team is or is hoped to be. I've seen some Kentucky basketball fans brag 24/7 about their team, until they lose.

and it goes the other way too. sometimes fans get too emotional when their team wins. After 33 consecutive losses in football, Madison, Wi, was not a safe or pretty site after UW finally won a game. No the players were not directly responsible for the destruction of the city that day. but their win caused a riot. People become emotionally attached to their team.

I'll agree, with you that it's just a game and shouldn't become a part of somebody's life. but I'll disagree and say that for many people it does become the center of their lives. And yes, that's sad. for a barometer . we lost the championship game of the WUG. look at my comments I made afterward. Did I seem sad or depressed? Or did I continue to speculate and analyze?
 
ok, you disagree and don't fully understand my viewpoint. I guess I'm thinking more of a player's off the field/court actions, than on the field/court actions. Players testing positive or committing crimes are similar to when a Eagle Scout gets a DUI or drug arrest, or gets caught and arrested for embezzlement. or charged with sexual assault. It's not me, that was charged. But their actions do tarnish the image of all scouts, not just their own. A player's off the court actions do tarnish the image of a lot more than missing a 3 point shot did.

I'm not sad. But I see things. if you really want to see sadness, you should visit Alabama after an Alabama football loss. I don't get depressed about Purdue losses. But I know a lot of people that do. I've seen bobbleheads become decapitated. And I've also noticed in the many places I've lived, that sadness is directly related to how good the team is or is hoped to be. I've seen some Kentucky basketball fans brag 24/7 about their team, until they lose.

and it goes the other way too. sometimes fans get too emotional when their team wins. After 33 consecutive losses in football, Madison, Wi, was not a safe or pretty site after UW finally won a game. No the players were not directly responsible for the destruction of the city that day. but their win caused a riot. People become emotionally attached to their team.

I'll agree, with you that it's just a game and shouldn't become a part of somebody's life. but I'll disagree and say that for many people it does become the center of their lives. And yes, that's sad. for a barometer . we lost the championship game of the WUG. look at my comments I made afterward. Did I seem sad or depressed? Or did I continue to speculate and analyze?
i get the issue of criminal activity. I was just saying that was not part of your first post on the topic and that you added it later to make your argument make sense. That is entirely different than the idea that a team and its players have done something to wrong anyone simply by losing a game. If they played to the best of their ability and did as instructed by the staff then they did well.
I'm glad that you are not that far over the cliff if reasonable. The examples you cite, positive and negative are exactly what I am saying happens when people get way to wrapped up in sports. The fact that they do this makes them wrong, not the Eagle Scout.
 
So I take it this thread no longer he's at relevance to the original topic?

Gotcha.
 
So I take it this thread no longer he's at relevance to the original topic?

Gotcha.
Do you have anything relevant to add on any topic within the thread? There's only so much to say about being in the top eight but I'll try for you. I hope he picks us.
 
Whoa there tiger. I'll give you that losing a trip was disappointing but still not the responsibility of the football team. It was a known fact that your trip hinged on a competitive sporting event outcome and therefore you had to understand that it could go either way. If you were not, and apparently still aren't, emotionally mature enough to deal with that fact then that is on you.
Now you want to bring in criminal behavior as an impact on alumni. Well no shit. You didn't talk about that in the quote to which I responded but now you are all over it. That's just you trying to change your weak position.
The rest of your manifesto is just more drivel that is the result of your decisions. You are unhappy with the outcome. Sorry about that. Don't take a job at a crappy school next time. Be sure that you understand that the military is a massive organization that is populated by a hugely disparate range of intellect, background, and behavior. There is going to be some down side.
Where I am comming from is that you are an intelligent man and should know a simple truth...It is not your right and they do not owe it to you. Also know, on the day a Purdue team does achieve it, you had nothing to do with it and they didn't do it for you. Go tell your son that he owes you an NCAA title in track or your life is unfulfilled. See how that goes over.
What gets me is that after all these years Wolegib is still bitter about not getting to live his dream as a member of the Purdue band, and it's the football team's fault. All they had to do was beat Michigan? He is so unhinged about it that he talks about it in the same context with thuggish and criminal behavior. I'm genuinely sad for him, but not for the reasons he may think.
 
According to the 3+ pages of posts, I was under the impression that there was a whole lot of knowledge surrounding this topic. Silly me
My bad Whitebash. That was way to crappy on my part. The thread got boring quickly and devolved into arguing. Like normal.
 
All we had to do was beat Michigan at Michigan. nd I went to that game. And as I watched that game, I saw my personal all expenses paid trip to the rose owl disappear in front of my eyes as we lost. Their loss did personally affect me, my emotions,, and my vacation because I could never have afforded to go. As part of that vacation, I may have had the opportunity to live a lifelong dream of going to Disneyland. That loss was a very emotional one to accept.

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Wole, what is wrong with you? I thought you were US military? This is weak, and a bit scary how emotionally immature this is. What happened to working hard? I guarantee you did not have less money and financing than I had in college. I worked hard and have taken my family to Disney over a dozen times. As someone else said above, its not that difficult. What a weird post!
 
This would be a huge coup if Purdue is able to land Louis King. I believe he ends up staying in the Northeast though. Just being in his top 8 is a big step for Purdue basketball. Hopefully, PU can start recruiting at an even higher level and compete nationally.
 
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