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local product Jack Mathews from Harrison was recently added as a walk-on, from my sources.

Jack was a great guard at HHS and has good athletic ability and a good set of skills to build off of. Those I spoke to believe he may have enough ability to provide solid depth as a junior and a senior and is a player who may end up providing solid minutes when given the chance. Good outside shot and a very good defender. He'll be an amazing player to have for practice for a few years and could morph in to a solid player when needed (ala Grady Eifert).
 
local product Jack Mathews from Harrison was recently added as a walk-on, from my sources.

Jack was a great guard at HHS and has good athletic ability and a good set of skills to build off of. Those I spoke to believe he may have enough ability to provide solid depth as a junior and a senior and is a player who may end up providing solid minutes when given the chance. Good outside shot and a very good defender. He'll be an amazing player to have for practice for a few years and could morph in to a solid player when needed (ala Grady Eifert).
Why did he not take a scholarship from a lower-level school? No reason behind this other than pure curiosity.
 
Why did he not take a scholarship from a lower-level school? No reason behind this other than pure curiosity.
Don't even want to attempt to question his decision making...I think he just really sees Purdue as his opportunity academically to be successful later on in life. He is a very smart young man and I believe Carsen brought him in for a workout with the team and the coaches saw his ability.
 
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he could be like my son. he chose SIU and to be on their track team over several lesser colleges who offered him a basketball scholarship. My son received an academic scholarship to pay for his tuition and fees, so it made the decision a lot easier. My wife's mother worked at Purdue and she received a school discount/waiver to attend Purdue. She graduated owing $250 in college loans. if he's from Harrison, he may be receiving some sort of academic or parental scholarship to attend Purdue.

in the end, it could be cheaper for him to go to Purdue than some other schools. Purdue has a great reputation, close to home, reasonable cost for instate students, and a chance to be on a great basketball team and travel around the world. What's not to like?
 
Don't even want to attempt to question his decision making...I think he just really sees Purdue as his opportunity academically to be successful later on in life. He is a very smart young man and I believe Carsen brought him in for a workout with the team and the coaches saw his ability.
Thanks. I in no way was questioning it, that's why I put purely curious. I think it's a great way to live a balanced life.
 
Don't even want to attempt to question his decision making...I think he just really sees Purdue as his opportunity academically to be successful later on in life. He is a very smart young man and I believe Carsen brought him in for a workout with the team and the coaches saw his ability.
Yeah he has good grades too. Believe tryouts are the 2nd though - has to "tryout" to make it official. He is close with carsen I can confirm that
 
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Yeah he has good grades too. Believe tryouts are the 2nd though - has to "tryout" to make it official. He is close with carsen I can confirm that
Watching him over the last two years, I had a hard time believing nobody was recruiting him to play. He was just so steady and athletic...especially on the defensive end. I thought he would make a great addition for a team like Butler or maybe to a lower level D1 school...but I think he didn't see the worth of going to a small school to just play basketball. Jack, in my interactions with him, showed great maturity and decision making at every turn (and he consistently performed at level or above with the better players he faced like Phinisee).
 
but I think he didn't see the worth of going to a small school to just play basketball.

This has always been my question. You would have to REALLY love the sport to go play at some small school where nobody cares or be getting a full ride. I know people who have went and played at a local NAIA school because they could cut the cost down to make it comparable to what it would cost to go to an in-state public institution. I always wonder if it's worth all the time and effort to represent Podunk U and end up with a Podunk U diploma when you could've just went to a public institution and got a more recognized degree for the same cost.
 
This has always been my question. You would have to REALLY love the sport to go play at some small school where nobody cares or be getting a full ride. I know people who have went and played at a local NAIA school because they could cut the cost down to make it comparable to what it would cost to go to an in-state public institution. I always wonder if it's worth all the time and effort to represent Podunk U and end up with a Podunk U diploma when you could've just went to a public institution and got a more recognized degree for the same cost.

And you can play intramural ball with the same competition level as a NAIA school.
 
This has always been my question. You would have to REALLY love the sport to go play at some small school where nobody cares or be getting a full ride. I know people who have went and played at a local NAIA school because they could cut the cost down to make it comparable to what it would cost to go to an in-state public institution. I always wonder if it's worth all the time and effort to represent Podunk U and end up with a Podunk U diploma when you could've just went to a public institution and got a more recognized degree for the same cost.

Some people have champagne dreams on a Natty Light budget...in this case, some people have NBA dreams with above-average talent.
 
And you can play intramural ball with the same competition level as a NAIA school.
I played against some stacked intramural teams in my day at Purdue...mostly kids who obviously were their all star at their smaller-ish high school in Indiana and could flat out hoop. I think my team ran in to a team of 7 guys who, at one time, were conference 1st teamers in high school. Needless to say, we got run out of the gym pretty quickly. That team could have competed with some DII schools.
 
Watching him over the last two years, I had a hard time believing nobody was recruiting him to play. He was just so steady and athletic...especially on the defensive end. I thought he would make a great addition for a team like Butler or maybe to a lower level D1 school...but I think he didn't see the worth of going to a small school to just play basketball. Jack, in my interactions with him, showed great maturity and decision making at every turn (and he consistently performed at level or above with the better players he faced like Phinisee).
You do know how good Butler has been the last 15 yrs don't you?
 
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My experiences with friends (parents of athletes) are mixed. Some would gladly send their child to a Podunk U just so they can play. one child received a $10,000 scholarship, and they thought that was great,. but the school cost $45,000 a year. my son had two academic scholarships to Division 1 schools that would pay for his tuition and fees making their cost about equal. . So I allowed him to choose. he chose the one that accepted him on their track team. he was initially a preferred walk-on, but very few track members receive scholarships anyway. and he's now on a partial scholarship. if he actually won an NCAA decathlon, he might get a bigger scholarship. he likes to compete. I like the fact he has a decent school and a scholarship to pay for it.
 
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I asked many athletes in many different sports if they'd rather play a lot on a poor team or sit the bench on a great team. NOW, accept that these were mostly not great athletes, not 4/5-star. Most said they'd more enjoy being a part of a great team than the best on a poor team. I think it has to do with winning and losing. And happy teammates vs unhappy teammates.

PLus, consider that once one gets into conference play, the teams are more or less on an equal footing. Kinda maybe
 
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You are probably right. this raises a question. For recruiting purposes, is it better to be a role player on a big famous AAU team and having an AAU coach who has connections? or a significant player on a team that always loses?
 
You are probably right. this raises a question. For recruiting purposes, is it better to be a role player on a big famous AAU team and having an AAU coach who has connections? or a significant player on a team that always loses?
Fair question. It is a double edged sword. Carsen played on the same AAU team as De'Aaron Fox which is why he flew under the radar.
 
You are probably right. this raises a question. For recruiting purposes, is it better to be a role player on a big famous AAU team and having an AAU coach who has connections? or a significant player on a team that always loses?
Most players on the elite AAU teams get scholarships. Even the 6th and 7th and 8th men. If your team always loses, you won't be flying to Vegas or Orlando ... you may stand out at Spiece in Ft. Wayne and that may be enough for a MVC team.

OK, story time. My son was good, but not great. One of the last two guys cut from the Indiana All-stars his year. He had offers from Wright State, Toledo, Wisconsin Milwaukee. He wasn't even on an AAU team the summer before his Sr. year (long story). So I put together 7 guys from all over the place and went to a tourney in KY. It was a big tourney. We had only practiced like three times. Somehow he was invited to play in the all-star game. I have no idea why. He did play well in the pool games. So, he goes and sits in the all-star game. There were two rows of tables surrounding the court and every coach I had ever heard of was sitting there. I don't know why this was such a big event, but it was. Travis Ford put it on and it was a long time ago.

Anyway, they put my son in. He was playing D against some 5-star guard that everyone ooohed and ahhed about ... and he stole the ball from him ... pure luck ... and he went down and dunked the ball. He was a point guard. A hundred coaches flipped their programs through twenty pages to find out who he was. No one knew him. After the game, he got four offers while we walked through the parking lot. No one great, but Middle TN state, Murray St, Northern Illinois, Kentucky Wesleyan. Without getting that chance, without making that steal, and probably without the dunk, he would never have gotten those offers.

I know this doesn't apply to the players that PU is recruiting, but it was fascinating to me. - Right place, right time, and grabbed the ring.
 
This has always been my question. You would have to REALLY love the sport to go play at some small school where nobody cares or be getting a full ride. I know people who have went and played at a local NAIA school because they could cut the cost down to make it comparable to what it would cost to go to an in-state public institution. I always wonder if it's worth all the time and effort to represent Podunk U and end up with a Podunk U diploma when you could've just went to a public institution and got a more recognized degree for the same cost.
Some kids would rather attend a school with 4000 kids instead of 40,000.
 
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Most players on the elite AAU teams get scholarships. Even the 6th and 7th and 8th men. If your team always loses, you won't be flying to Vegas or Orlando ... you may stand out at Spiece in Ft. Wayne and that may be enough for a MVC team.

OK, story time. My son was good, but not great. One of the last two guys cut from the Indiana All-stars his year. He had offers from Wright State, Toledo, Wisconsin Milwaukee. He wasn't even on an AAU team the summer before his Sr. year (long story). So I put together 7 guys from all over the place and went to a tourney in KY. It was a big tourney. We had only practiced like three times. Somehow he was invited to play in the all-star game. I have no idea why. He did play well in the pool games. So, he goes and sits in the all-star game. There were two rows of tables surrounding the court and every coach I had ever heard of was sitting there. I don't know why this was such a big event, but it was. Travis Ford put it on and it was a long time ago.

Anyway, they put my son in. He was playing D against some 5-star guard that everyone ooohed and ahhed about ... and he stole the ball from him ... pure luck ... and he went down and dunked the ball. He was a point guard. A hundred coaches flipped their programs through twenty pages to find out who he was. No one knew him. After the game, he got four offers while we walked through the parking lot. No one great, but Middle TN state, Murray St, Northern Illinois, Kentucky Wesleyan. Without getting that chance, without making that steal, and probably without the dunk, he would never have gotten those offers.



I know this doesn't apply to the players that PU is recruiting, but it was fascinating to me. - Right place, right time, and grabbed the ring.

Wow that story is so familiar. My son played for the AAU Illinois Bears. they play in the same tourneys the Illinois Wolves play in. And my son held Jabari Parker scoreless for the 45 seconds he was guarding him. I think that was after Jabari had already torched our team for 25 points in 10 minutes.. and people took notice. Unfortunately it was people from Carthage, Illinois College, McKendree, Case, and a bunch of other Division 2-3 schools I'd never heard of. All the big name coaches had already seen what they came to see.

Our high school also had a 6'6 center this past year who weighed about 160 pounds. and he got a basketball scholarship. To Rose Holmann. I didn't know they even had a basketball team. the kid is smart and wants to be an engineer. But going to Rose on a basketball scholarship?

one thing I will credit AAU for is my son realized he liked to play basketball, but that he wasn't close to the talent level that would command a basketball scholarship to a Division 1 school, so he started studying and earned an academic scholarship. So many kids think that just because they average 20 PPG in high school, that they are worthy. But AAU ball allows them to see how their talent compares against the best in the land. My son wasn't one of the best in the land in basketball but he had academics and track to fall back on, while many others' dreams were killed with nothing other than playground basketball.
 
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I played against some stacked intramural teams in my day at Purdue...mostly kids who obviously were their all star at their smaller-ish high school in Indiana and could flat out hoop. I think my team ran in to a team of 7 guys who, at one time, were conference 1st teamers in high school. Needless to say, we got run out of the gym pretty quickly. That team could have competed with some DII schools.
This reminded me of an intramural team we faced back in the day. My team was pretty good and won our division, but in the tournament, we drew the team that was made up of the football players. the starting five were Potts, Teal, Green, Armstrong and Stingley. By the way, Donnie Green was an All State basketball player from Georgia and Stingley was All State from Illinois. Stingley was so good that George King wanted him on the basketball team, but the football coaches wouldn't allow it.
 
Our high school also had a 6'6 center this past year who weighed about 160 pounds. and he got a basketball scholarship. To Rose Holmann. I didn't know they even had a basketball team. the kid is smart and wants to be an engineer. But going to Rose on a basketball scholarship?

Kid musta been an incredible player, since D-3 schools (like Rose-Hulman) can't give athletic scholarships.
 
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Kid musta been an incredible player, since D-3 schools (like Rose-Hulman) can't give athletic scholarships.

More than likely it is an academic scholarship reserved for basketball players through donations through the basketball program...such as endowed basketball academic scholarships. These can be added to other general academic scholarships or other funds to essentially give a student athlete a near full ride scholarship.
 
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More than likely it is an academic scholarship reserved for basketball players through donations through the basketball program...such as endowed basketball academic scholarships. These can be added to other general academic scholarships or other funds to essentially give a student athlete a near full ride scholarship.
Complicated, but true. Div 2 get 8 (I believe, I should look it up, but I'm not going to) scholarships for Basketball. So the starting 5 generally get a full and the next 6 get half. No rules that says they do it that way, just how most do it. But if the players signs over his Pell and other college-based income and works in the cafeteria a few hours, or mows the football field, or waters the soccer field, he can usually go D2 for free.
 
Ok, the facts. this kid was the valedictorian of his class. his ACT was over 30. and he's going to Rose Holman to be an engineer. and he had a big signing day celebration saying he got a scholarship to play basketball at Rose Holman. I don't know if Rose is Div 2 Div 3 or NAIA. he may have received an academic scholarship and will play basketball.
 
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Ok, the facts. this kid was the valedictorian of his class. his ACT was over 30. and he's going to Rose Holman to be an engineer. and he had a big signing day celebration saying he got a scholarship to play basketball at Rose Holman. I don't know if Rose is Div 2 Div 3 or NAIA. he may have received an academic scholarship and will play basketball.


???? Going to Rose or Purdue?
 
Ok, the facts. this kid was the valedictorian of his class. his ACT was over 30. and he's going to Rose Holman to be an engineer. and he had a big signing day celebration saying he got a scholarship to play basketball at Rose Holman. I don't know if Rose is Div 2 Div 3 or NAIA. he may have received an academic scholarship and will play basketball.
Wow that story is so familiar. My son played for the AAU Illinois Bears. they play in the same tourneys the Illinois Wolves play in. And my son held Jabari Parker scoreless for the 45 seconds he was guarding him. I think that was after Jabari had already torched our team for 25 points in 10 minutes.. and people took notice. Unfortunately it was people from Carthage, Illinois College, McKendree, Case, and a bunch of other Division 2-3 schools I'd never heard of. All the big name coaches had already seen what they came to see.

Our high school also had a 6'6 center this past year who weighed about 160 pounds. and he got a basketball scholarship. To Rose Holmann. I didn't know they even had a basketball team. the kid is smart and wants to be an engineer. But going to Rose on a basketball scholarship?

one thing I will credit AAU for is my son realized he liked to play basketball, but that he wasn't close to the talent level that would command a basketball scholarship to a Division 1 school, so he started studying and earned an academic scholarship. So many kids think that just because they average 20 PPG in high school, that they are worthy. But AAU ball allows them to see how their talent compares against the best in the land. My son wasn't one of the best in the land in basketball but he had academics and track to fall back on, while many others' dreams were killed with nothing other than playground basketball.
Why would you put a question mark about a kid who was smart deciding to go to Rose Hulman (note spelling). Rose is one of the top Engineering schools in the country. Not Podunk U. Just curious what you're thinking is on that subject?
 
You are probably right. this raises a question. For recruiting purposes, is it better to be a role player on a big famous AAU team and having an AAU coach who has connections? or a significant player on a team that always loses?
Most players on the elite AAU teams get scholarships. Even the 6th and 7th and 8th men. If your team always loses, you won't be flying to Vegas or Orlando ... you may stand out at Spiece in Ft. Wayne and that may be enough for a MVC team.

OK, story time. My son was good, but not great. One of the last two guys cut from the Indiana All-stars his year. He had offers from Wright State, Toledo, Wisconsin Milwaukee. He wasn't even on an AAU team the summer before his Sr. year (long story). So I put together 7 guys from all over the place and went to a tourney in KY. It was a big tourney. We had only practiced like three times. Somehow he was invited to play in the all-star game. I have no idea why. He did play well in the pool games. So, he goes and sits in the all-star game. There were two rows of tables surrounding the court and every coach I had ever heard of was sitting there. I don't know why this was such a big event, but it was. Travis Ford put it on and it was a long time ago.

Anyway, they put my son in. He was playing D against some 5-star guard that everyone ooohed and ahhed about ... and he stole the ball from him ... pure luck ... and he went down and dunked the ball. He was a point guard. A hundred coaches flipped their programs through twenty pages to find out who he was. No one knew him. After the game, he got four offers while we walked through the parking lot. No one great, but Middle TN state, Murray St, Northern Illinois, Kentucky Wesleyan. Without getting that chance, without making that steal, and probably without the dunk, he would never have gotten those offers.

I know this doesn't apply to the players that PU is recruiting, but it was fascinating to me. - Right place, right time, and grabbed the ring.

That's a pretty cool story
 
Why would you put a question mark about a kid who was smart deciding to go to Rose Hulman (note spelling). Rose is one of the top Engineering schools in the country. Not Podunk U. Just curious what you're thinking is on that subject?

My question was not about Rose being a podunk U. But the kid said he was going there on a basketball scholarship. My question was more , does Rose actually have a basketball team and give out scholarships? I'm not sure what division they are. But this kid somehow used his basketball talents to get a scholarship to attend a very good school.

Rose was rated the #1 engineering school in the country that doesn't offer a doctorate degree in engineering.

And to be honest, knowing the kid, He probably received an academic scholarship, and signed a letter of intent to play basketball while he's there.
 
Wolegib, Thanks so much for your insincerity concerning my invitation! Talk about a bullshitter.......
 
My question was not about Rose being a podunk U. But the kid said he was going there on a basketball scholarship. My question was more , does Rose actually have a basketball team and give out scholarships? I'm not sure what division they are. But this kid somehow used his basketball talents to get a scholarship to attend a very good school.

Rose was rated the #1 engineering school in the country that doesn't offer a doctorate degree in engineering.

And to be honest, knowing the kid, He probably received an academic scholarship, and signed a letter of intent to play basketball while he's there.
Rose is a good choice - not Purdue good, but still good.
 
Wolegib, Thanks so much for your insincerity concerning my invitation! Talk about a bullshitter.......


I checked out your site. you want people to pay you money and you call it dues to contribute our information to your site. your site is a pyramid scam. the more school contributors you have, the more money you make. I don't pay people to provide my basketball incite and knowledge. You pay me! I don't pay to play fantasy basketball or NCAA bracket madness either.

And frankly, if you had read any of my other posts, you would have realized I was being very sarcastic. I had hoped by replying to your post, somebody else would have read my post and took you up on your offer. But, I guess nobody else did either. perhaps you can contact Boilermaker 1973. he now has some time on his hands after he quit posting here.

Rather than singling me out, you should be concerned why nobody else here wanted to be part of your site as well. Singling out people and bashing them is not a good way to recruit people.
 
Rose is a good choice - not Purdue good, but still good.


Rose is a great Engineering school. It was rated #1 overall for Engineering schools that don't offer a doctorate degree by the recent study /survey.

That survey rating made me wonder and ask the question. Purdue offers a Doctorate Degree in Engineering. it also offers a Masters Degree program in Engineering. But what kind of an engineer sticks around to get a Doctorate or Masters in Engineering ? other than somebody who wants to be part of a government think tank or an Engineering professor? .Most engineers I know might get an MBA , but not usually pursue a Masters or Doctorate in Engineering. is getting a Masters or Doctorate in Engineering growing in popularity? Maybe in Industrial Engineering ? I'm being serious. I don't know.
 
Colorado School of Mines is extremely highly rated --- Here are the similar schools!!!!!!

If You Like Colorado School of Mines, You May Also Like These Schools
Admission to Colorado School of Mines is selective, and in 2015, only 38% of all applicants were admitted. To get in, you're going to need grades and standardized test scores that are well above average. In the scattergram above, the blue and green dots represent accepted students. You can see that the majority of successful applicants had high school averages of 3.5 or higher, SAT scores (RW+M) of about 1200 or higher, and ACT composite scores of 24 or higher. The higher those numbers, the better your chances of receiving an acceptance letter. The average ACT composite for accepted students is 30.

Note that there are many red dots (rejected students) and yellow dots (waitlisted students) hidden behind the green and blue throughout the graph. Many students with grades and test scores that were on target for Colorado School of Mines did not get in. Note also that a few students were accepted with test scores and grades a little bit below the norm. This is because Mines uses has holistic admissions -- admission decisions are based on more than numerical data. The Mines application asks for information about your extracurricular activities and awards, and you also have the opportunity to provide a personal statement. The college also pays close attention to the rigor of your high school courses, especially in math.
 
Colorado School of Mines is extremely highly rated --- Here are the similar schools!!!!!!

If You Like Colorado School of Mines, You May Also Like These Schools
Admission to Colorado School of Mines is selective, and in 2015, only 38% of all applicants were admitted. To get in, you're going to need grades and standardized test scores that are well above average. In the scattergram above, the blue and green dots represent accepted students. You can see that the majority of successful applicants had high school averages of 3.5 or higher, SAT scores (RW+M) of about 1200 or higher, and ACT composite scores of 24 or higher. The higher those numbers, the better your chances of receiving an acceptance letter. The average ACT composite for accepted students is 30.

Note that there are many red dots (rejected students) and yellow dots (waitlisted students) hidden behind the green and blue throughout the graph. Many students with grades and test scores that were on target for Colorado School of Mines did not get in. Note also that a few students were accepted with test scores and grades a little bit below the norm. This is because Mines uses has holistic admissions -- admission decisions are based on more than numerical data. The Mines application asks for information about your extracurricular activities and awards, and you also have the opportunity to provide a personal statement. The college also pays close attention to the rigor of your high school courses, especially in math.


I agree with that. We have a lot of coal mines and a mining school down here in Southern Illinois.. I have a friend who's a professor of mining at SIU. he says Colorado's mining school is the best.
 
I agree with that. We have a lot of coal mines and a mining school down here in Southern Illinois.. I have a friend who's a professor of mining at SIU. he says Colorado's mining school is the best.
I just know, through highly convoluted sources, that it is a very highly rated engineering school ... even it if it is somewhat specific, although I don't think that is still true???? .... it ws just interesting the other schools that were listed as comparable.
 
Colorado school of Mines has both a tremendous mining and metallurgy program. But Purdue has a tremendous engineering program in almost every engineering program. And sometimes we take for granted how great of an engineering school Purdue actually is. Sometimes we take for granted how great academically our entire conference is. I really didn't want to add Nebraska.. the move was made for purely monetary reasons.
 
Rose is a great Engineering school. It was rated #1 overall for Engineering schools that don't offer a doctorate degree by the recent study /survey.

That survey rating made me wonder and ask the question. Purdue offers a Doctorate Degree in Engineering. it also offers a Masters Degree program in Engineering. But what kind of an engineer sticks around to get a Doctorate or Masters in Engineering ? other than somebody who wants to be part of a government think tank or an Engineering professor? .Most engineers I know might get an MBA , but not usually pursue a Masters or Doctorate in Engineering. is getting a Masters or Doctorate in Engineering growing in popularity? Maybe in Industrial Engineering ? I'm being serious. I don't know.
It's probably not common for a lot to get MS or PhD but there is some advantage if your plan is to move up the Engineering side of a company. That and research opportunities. Getting an MBA isn't the hot ticket it once was / kind of dime a dozen in nature. The best thing you can do is develop the soft skills if you want to advance. That applies to most any field though.?
 
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