LewJack update

[Wolegib]

There is an old saying that "figures don't lie, but liars figure." Here in little old Muncie they are tearing down older homes and putting up new ones. Thing is, those new 3 bedroom houses aren't in the least bit unique and end up looking like a habitat house. All for close to $200k. Trust those in charge and the builders and subs, this is a good deal. By the way, in case you were wondering the lot vacant was worth no more than 5kand the resale value is maybe 60k, in a less than desire able neighborhood, This is happening all over America.

it was once said and also proven, just because you give a big company more money, that doesn't mean that company will pass it on down to its workers. Look at the Carrier plant in Indiana. What did they do with all that money they received? Did it save those jobs? no, they spent it on more automation. With unions losing their popularity and power, there is no incentive for businesses to pass along their profits. But people keep believing they will. trickle down never goes to the workers, it only goes down to the owners and the investors.

I learned a lot from my great uncle. he was a millionaire. Ten years ago I met his coal mining workers. he sold them and their mine out to Standard oil who closed their mines and started drilling for natural gas. and oil in the same location. Did they get new jobs working for gas and oil production? No, they were no longer needed. but they keep hoping a miracle will happen and their coal mines will be re-opened. they don't want to move or learn a new trade/skill. They're honest hard working people who placed their trust in others to look after their needs.

 

[njm8845]

portugal enacted decriminalization (not legalization) and rehabilitation
15+ years ago... they have had a dramatic drop of overdoses since then.

Interesting chart, and this could be an interesting conversation if everybody was level headed.

You know what countries also have very low drug deaths? Countries with the exact opposite laws of Portugal. Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Iran, etc execute offenders for what we would consider minor offenses.

Not saying we need stricter laws, just saying the Same laws in different countries have different effects. I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t think simply changing laws fixes a cultural problem.

 

[Inspector100]

being unemployed, I will receive no more money. being overqualified and old, I will receive no job offers. Tel l me again how the new tax law is going to help me? Is Exxon going to lower the price of gas ? AH ha ha if yo u believe that one. We're going to open more coal mines ? HA ha ha again. health care costs are going to g o down? not for us old people who need to go to the hospital more often. and tell me why after every single state polled said its people are against the plan, their representatives voted for it anyway? I thought my representative represented the people ., not his party. I don't blame trump. I blame our representatives who no longer want to work together or listen or act on behalf of their constituents.

oh, was this discussion about trans genders? I gave about 80 a bad conduct discharge in the 80's simply because I was ordered to do so, and I had to carry out that order. . it looked bad that 9 of them were airman of the month for our base and one was airman of the year. I guess what they did on the job didn't matter. it's what they did in their private life and the fears of others in charge that counted most.

oh wait, my mind wandered again. this was about lew jack being a drug dealer but saying he had NO idea those drugs were in that bag in his car. and now before his trial begins, he's allowed to travel to Germany.

Isn't claiming to be over qualified sort of a subjective statement?

 

[BoilerAndy]

they don't want to move or learn a new trade/skill. They're honest hard working people who placed their trust in others to look after their needs.

This is always a mistake. I remember reading a scenario that always stuck with me. It went like this.

HR Rep: We are eliminating your job and we don't have anything else that you are qualified to do.
Employee: But I have 30 years of experience in this company!
HR Rep: No, you have 5 years experience and 25 years of doing the same thing over and over.

Whether it's the government, a big company, or a union, don't expect them to look after your needs. That's YOUR responsibility.

 

[BoilerAndy]

portugal enacted decriminalization (not legalization) and rehabilitation
15+ years ago... they have had a dramatic drop of overdoses since then.

This data only shows a snapshot of the number of deaths. It would be interesting to see data for how the death rate changes year-over-year.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Interesting chart, and this could be an interesting conversation if everybody was level headed.

You know what countries also have very low drug deaths? Countries with the exact opposite laws of Portugal. Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Iran, etc execute offenders for what we would consider minor offenses.

Not saying we need stricter laws, just saying the Same laws in different countries have different effects. I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t think simply changing laws fixes a cultural problem.

if the 2 different paths both lead to fewer drug overdose deaths, i imagine americans would tend to choose the route that involves less government and retains personal freedom and liberty (as compared to those countries)

 

[BoilerBiker]

This data only shows a snapshot of the number of deaths. It would be interesting to see data for how the death rate changes year-over-year.

portugal

us

coupled with the us's recent decade imprisonment explosion

 

[hoosierdog1]

I can’t say for sure that Trump isn’t a Russian spy so maybe we should shut that crap down as well. Yes?

Or Obuma being a Muslim

 

[Wolegib]

Or Obuma being a Muslim

I knew somebody would post something like this.

 

[Wolegib]

This is always a mistake. I remember reading a scenario that always stuck with me. It went like this.

HR Rep: We are eliminating your job and we don't have anything else that you are qualified to do.
Employee: But I have 30 years of experience in this company!
HR Rep: No, you have 5 years experience and 25 years of doing the same thing over and over.

Whether it's the government, a big company, or a union, don't expect them to look after your needs. That's YOUR responsibility.

I would agree with your sentiment. As a college prof, I had a lot of older students who would use government retraining programs/grants to retrain into new positions and get new jobs.

But as an avid internet poster, I also see hundreds of people wasting their lives away and complaining on facebook. they can afford a cell phone and internet access, but they're unable to et out of their chair and look for employment.

admittedly there are exceptions.

 

[hoosierdog1]

I knew somebody would post something like this.

I didn't start the political bs but if op is entitled to his opinion I'm entitled to mine!

 

[BoilerAndy]

Thanks, BB. Good stuff.

Without digging into the details of your last chart, it would be easy to see that incarceration has an impact on crime. The goals of incarceration are A) to punish those who violate the laws and B) to act as a deterrent to those who contemplate violating the laws.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Has that happened?

http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/16/i...ing-advantage-of-targets-fitting-room-policy/

 

[70boiler]

http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/16/i...ing-advantage-of-targets-fitting-room-policy/

I believe that the perpetrators of the acts referred were not transgendered people but rather pedophiles utilizing the situation. There is a lengthy presentation in a Lewis and Clark Law Journal indicating the both local and FBI information when addressing North Carolina's proposed law indicated the virtual absence of such acts by actual trans people. The article states

There have been “zero reported cases” of trans people attacking men, women, or children in any bathroom.94 The law enforcement personnel who filed affidavits supporting North Carolina’s defense of H.B. 2 both acknowledge that trans people do not pose the safety risks North Carolina says prompted H.B. 2. Drawing on 33 years of experience, Sheriff Tim Hutchison notes that “[t]he risks of [laws permitting patrons to use the bathroom of their preference] do not come from transgender use of public facilities that do not line up with birth certificates;” they come from “non-transgender male sex offenders” who may exploit these laws “to obtain better access to their victims.”95 Kenneth V. Lanning, a retired 30-year veteran of the FBI, also pointed to “the documented behavior patterns of male sex offenders and sexual offenses that already take place;” he cautioned that his report “is not about the treatment of transgendered persons, nor should it be misconstrued as hostile in any way to the civil rights of the transgendered.”96 Other long-time law enforcement officials dismiss the connection between what bathroom trans people use and public safety as a “nonissue.”97 Across 41 years in law enforcement, South Carolina Sheriff Leon Lott said he “has never hear[d] of a transgender person attacking someone in a restroom.”

The full 86 page monograph is at
https://law.lclark.edu/live/files/2...U4ChAWCC8wBA&usg=AOvVaw2uehfClIOuWVhEydWABz3L

 

[BoilerBiker]

Thanks, BB. Good stuff.

Without digging into the details of your last chart, it would be easy to see that incarceration has an impact on crime. The goals of incarceration are A) to punish those who violate the laws and B) to act as a deterrent to those who contemplate violating the laws.

as it relates to the drug topic, nearly half of all incarcerated in federal prison are for drug related offenses. hence both the drastic rise and disparity seen in the imprisonment charts.

as well as the unfortunate opposite trend of drug deaths.

 

[Jbigler1986]

Holly hell this thread got out of hand. Interesting reading though.

 

[oldboiler52]

Lets see -
3 ounces at 28 grams / oz = 84 grams
84 grams at .1 gram dosage = 840 units
Common oz. cutting by 50% = 1680 units
Street sale price of $10 to $20 = $16,000 to $32,000 value.
Ok...whatever...
I defend these guys for a living and no they aren't Scarface but the illicit drug market is a problem and H has become the drug of choice for a lot of upper middle class high schoolers among others.
So, you can diminish it as you choose but until we come to terms with it in some rational way (and I am not of the f-'em and lock 'em up mentality) you will continue to see far too many heroin and fentanyl overdoses and deaths.

Thanks for speaking up !

 

[spradecki]

I'm good with all you said... Here's the thing, the point I'm making....

What I said is equal to saying Republicans want to be able to bring a "military style rifle" into Arby's.

Yet, nobody wanted to correct that guy, so I had to make an equal comparison for the liberals. It's obvious I'm out-numbered, but I'm okay with it. Most Republicans just keep quiet, go to work, and do their responsibilities and contributions to the society.

you're not out numbered at all. not even close to being outnumbered.
i've got nothing else to say on here about this

 

[70boiler]

Thanks for speaking up !

I'm not really anti LJ nor, as I said, a "lock em up" guy, but concerned with the drug problem we have. I saw a statistic today stating that more Americans died from opioid overdoses in 2016 than from breast cancer. I don't clearly know what the right answer is, but I certainly can see there is a frightening problem.

 

[BoilerAndy]

I believe that the perpetrators of the acts referred were not transgendered people but rather pedophiles utilizing the situation. There is a lengthy presentation in a Lewis and Clark Law Journal indicating the both local and FBI information when addressing North Carolina's proposed law indicated the virtual absence of such acts by actual trans people. The article states

There have been “zero reported cases” of trans people attacking men, women, or children in any bathroom.94 The law enforcement personnel who filed affidavits supporting North Carolina’s defense of H.B. 2 both acknowledge that trans people do not pose the safety risks North Carolina says prompted H.B. 2. Drawing on 33 years of experience, Sheriff Tim Hutchison notes that “[t]he risks of [laws permitting patrons to use the bathroom of their preference] do not come from transgender use of public facilities that do not line up with birth certificates;” they come from “non-transgender male sex offenders” who may exploit these laws “to obtain better access to their victims.”95 Kenneth V. Lanning, a retired 30-year veteran of the FBI, also pointed to “the documented behavior patterns of male sex offenders and sexual offenses that already take place;” he cautioned that his report “is not about the treatment of transgendered persons, nor should it be misconstrued as hostile in any way to the civil rights of the transgendered.”96 Other long-time law enforcement officials dismiss the connection between what bathroom trans people use and public safety as a “nonissue.”97 Across 41 years in law enforcement, South Carolina Sheriff Leon Lott said he “has never hear[d] of a transgender person attacking someone in a restroom.”

The full 86 page monograph is at
https://law.lclark.edu/live/files/2...U4ChAWCC8wBA&usg=AOvVaw2uehfClIOuWVhEydWABz3L

You are missing the point. Are you telling me that if you see a man go into a woman's restroom or dressing room that you would just walk away assuming it is a "trans"? And how would we know if they are trans? You can't go by how they dress. That's a stereotype. If anyone decides, it's them.

 

[Wolegib]

You are missing the point. Are you telling me that if you see a man go into a woman's restroom or dressing room that you would just walk away assuming it is a "trans"? And how would we know if they are trans? You can't go by how they dress. That's a stereotype. If anyone decides, it's them.

the boy scouts have taken an active role resolving this problem and I expect businesses and other organizations will follow. Boy scout camps are going to single bathrooms at their camps. And yes, that's a huge expense to replace the existing shower and bathroom facilities. But at least it is their attempt to start addressing the issue.

as for lew Jack., I hate to go back to the subject - very uncharacteristic of me - I'm very concerned in his statement that he said all that stuff was in a bookbag/backpack that he was directed to deliver and he had no idea of its contents. I would hate to believe he's become a carrier. I view that as being much worse than a user.

 

[70boiler]

You are missing the point. Are you telling me that if you see a man go into a woman's restroom or dressing room that you would just walk away assuming it is a "trans"? And how would we know if they are trans? You can't go by how they dress. That's a stereotype. If anyone decides, it's them.

I don't think that i am missing anything. My point is that it is inherently wrong to imply that transgenders are the threat as opposed to pedophiles, and to imply that they are one and the same. That simply appears to be untrue and wrong. I suspect there very well are transgender pedophiles just as there are straight pedophiles but all trans are no more pedophiles than all straights are.

 

[Boilersss]

the boy scouts have taken an active role resolving this problem and I expect businesses and other organizations will follow. Boy scout camps are going to single bathrooms at their camps. And yes, that's a huge expense to replace the existing shower and bathroom facilities. But at least it is their attempt to start addressing the issue.

as for lew Jack., I hate to go back to the subject - very uncharacteristic of me - I'm very concerned in his statement that he said all that stuff was in a bookbag/backpack that he was directed to deliver and he had no idea of its contents. I would hate to believe he's become a carrier. I view that as being much worse than a user.

There is an easier solution. If you were born with a d*** use the mens bathroom. If not, use the womens bathroom.

 

[BoilerAndy]

I don't think that i am missing anything. My point is that it is inherently wrong to imply that transgenders are the threat as opposed to pedophiles, and to imply that they are one and the same. That simply appears to be untrue and wrong. I suspect there very well are transgender pedophiles just as there are straight pedophiles but all trans are no more pedophiles than all straights are.

Then you are responding to the wrong discussion. I haven't seen anyone imply it. The point of the discussion was about Boilersss' comment:

He was clearly saying the "tranny bathroom rule" will be taken advantage of by pedophiles. They will claim they were using the bathroom because they are "transgender".

I see nothing in that statement, nor in the link I provided, implying transgender = pedophile.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Interesting stuff about, ahem, Purdue basketball.
Just curious - the person above is Chaz Bono; C List celebrity, born a female, and now a big ol' sweaty bearded dude.

Are the people in this thread who are against letting trans people use the bathroom of their new chosen gender saying that they'd be more comfortable if Chaz was forced to use a woman's bathroom at the same time as their eight year old daughter? Even if he's peeing standing up and adjusting the undies for his new man-parts?

 

[BoiledSteel]

Just curious - the person above is Chaz Bono; C List celebrity, born a female, and now a big ol' sweaty bearded dude.

That's not a dude. When Chaz dies and a DNA test is done on the bones, it will come back as a woman.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Interesting stuff about, ahem, Purdue basketball.
Just curious - the person above is Chaz Bono; C List celebrity, born a female, and now a big ol' sweaty bearded dude.

Are the people in this thread who are against letting trans people use the bathroom of their new chosen gender saying that they'd be more comfortable if Chaz was forced to use a woman's bathroom at the same time as their eight year old daughter? Even if he's peeing standing up and adjusting the undies for his new man-parts?

Great question. If YOU were waiting for your 8-year-old daughter who was in a public restroom, what would you think if a "big ol' sweaty bearded dude" walked past you and went in? Hmmm? A big ol' sweaty bearded dude is allowed to go into a women's restroom regardless of their anatomy or the position they assume when they pee.

 

[70boiler]

Then you are responding to the wrong discussion. I haven't seen anyone imply it. The point of the discussion was about Boilersss' comment:

He was clearly saying the "tranny bathroom rule" will be taken advantage of by pedophiles. They will claim they were using the bathroom because they are "transgender".

I see nothing in that statement, nor in the link I provided, implying transgender = pedophile.

Actually if you look back at this thread you will find that the discussion concerning trans people began with the following exchange

Lol, what @ Republican remark?... Seltzer water??

Funny you didn't have nothing bad to say about liberals... Something like they think transgenders should use whichever bathroom makes them comfortable, (or whichever one currently has a 8 year old defenseless kid in it). But when you confront said tranny, you invade their safe space, instantly becoming a bigot, racist, stereotypical deplorable...

Something along those lines would be great for the liberal part of your speech.

What rubbish... you probably should educate yourself on the difference between terms like transgender, cross dressing, gay, bisexual, etc. from the term PEDOPHILIA. They are no more the same than child rapist is equatable to non-celibate heterosexual adult male.
You don't have to approve of them but stop being stupid.

I do appreciate you informing of the discussion that I was in notwithstanding that you opted to disregard its initiation.

 

[Boilersss]

Actually if you look back at this thread you will find that the discussion concerning trans people began with the following exchange




I do appreciate you informing of the discussion that I was in notwithstanding that you opted to disregard its initiation.

As BoilerAndy showed you, I clarified what the OP was suggesting since you couldn't figure it out yourself.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Great question. If YOU were waiting for your 8-year-old daughter who was in a public restroom, what would you think if a "big ol' sweaty bearded dude" walked past you and went in? Hmmm? A big ol' sweaty bearded dude is allowed to go into a women's restroom regardless of their anatomy or the position they assume when they pee.

Me?

I'd rather he used the men's room.

 

[Boilersss]

Me?

I'd rather he used the men's room.

I don't think you understood his question, but your response proves his(our) point.

He wasn't talking about chaz.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Actually if you look back at this thread you will find that the discussion concerning trans people began with the following exchange




I do appreciate you informing of the discussion that I was in notwithstanding that you opted to disregard its initiation.

Well, then you initiated the discussion about pedophilia. In fact, it was more of a monologue. You were triggered by someone expressing concern about men walking into a women's restroom being used by an 8-year-old. Maybe you can watch a man walking into a lady's restroom and tell whether he believes he is a woman or he has other motives. Most of us don't have those abilities.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Me?

I'd rather he used the men's room.

Nice dodge. Would you say the same the same if a big ol' sweaty bearded dude wanted to use the ladies room with your little girl?

 

[70boiler]

Well, then you initiated the discussion about pedophilia. In fact, it was more of a monologue. You were triggered by someone expressing concern about men walking into a women's restroom being used by an 8-year-old. Maybe you can watch a man walking into a lady's restroom and tell whether he believes he is a woman or he has other motives. Most of us don't have those abilities.

I appreciate your involvement in my monologue.

 

[BoilerAndy]

I appreciate your involvement in my monologue.

Thanks for inviting me.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Nice dodge. Would you say the same the same if a big ol' sweaty bearded dude wanted to use the ladies room with your little girl?

Not trying to dodge. I wouldn't want him in the ladies room with anyone once he's gone through that change.

 

[Wolegib]

so what ever happened to the discussion Lew jack the drug dealer ? I guess people would rather slam transgenders than former favorite players.

Ok, i'm with the program and what you people are all about. Go back to your slamming and avoidance of the original topic.

 

[Gold&Black]

There is an easier solution. If you were born with a d*** use the mens bathroom. If not, use the womens bathroom.

Public restrooms are there for one purpose only. If anything else is happening in there we have a much bigger problem. The type, quantity, and design of the equipment is selected to match two different types of anatomy. So I will go one step further. You should use the restroom that matches whatever type of anatomy you CURRENTLY have.

Why is this discussion on a basketball board anyway?

 

[Wolegib]

Public restrooms are there for one purpose only. If anything else is happening in there we have a much bigger problem. The type, quantity, and design of the equipment is selected to match two different types of anatomy. So I will go one step further. You should use the restroom that matches whatever type of anatomy you CURRENTLY have.

Why is this discussion on a basketball board anyway?

Because people don't want to talk or admit lew jack has a drug problem! so they changed the subject of the thread!

 

[70boiler]

Because people don't want to talk or admit lew jack has a drug problem! so they changed the subject of the thread!

I have no information that LJ does or does not have a drug problem and to suggest that I was involved in changing the direction of this thread to avoid any confrontation of such is simply not accurate.