Let's be clear: fatigue will not be a major factor

[lbodel]

I've seen plenty of people now say that Penn State playing its 3rd game in 3 days will be some major advantage for Purdue.

Do I think it can be a factor? Sure, but mostly just late in the game. And if Penn State is in a good position, adrenaline will push them through.

And with Purdue playing 2 fewer games in the United Center than Penn State, if Purdue doesn't show up and play with intensity, even if Penn State is tired they can hang.

 

[Frankie611]

Agree. Like that time a few years ago when Minnesota played an overtime marathon until after midnight, then played us the next afternoon? Yeah, that didn't work out well for us. Ray Day better be preparing now, because he is going to have his hands full. Octeus too. They can kill us with guards, big guards.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Ha Ha...so you are saying it will be a factor but not a "Major" factor?

Cracks me up.......

Have you played three competitive games in 3 days before?

I have done it at least 7 times in my life and believe me it matters.

Sure adrenaline kicks in and the will to win, but when the legs stop working they stop working.

If Purdue plays our in the face defense and they get a couple hard fouls from us in the flow of the game on key players then the legs, back, neck etc, starts giving out.

Hurts on free throws too when you have no legs......

Actually I would be surprised if we don't try to ramp up our transition game after we force a turnover to make sure it is a major factor.

So technically it comes down to what you define as major....I think it will be a major factor.

We are the more talented and deeper team and it will show once they hit that wall.

Again my opinion and we can all have them.

I respect yours.....

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[lbodel]

The way some have mentioned it, it's like we'll win just because of it.

The only way fatigue becomes a factor is if Purdue shows up. If Penn State is in the game or leading, yeah they'll be exhausted, but the momentum will carry them.

Like I said, I think it will be a factor later in the game. But it will only really matter if Purdue has put itself in a good situation when it does become a factor.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Ok I can agree with that......

Purdue needs to play it's game from the start and be aggressive on both ends with energy.

I agree we need to bring it from the start and not let up.

Good insight.....

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[Sennsational1]

Fatigue will set in quicker if we jump on them and take them out early. They can fold then from fatigue. Let them hang around and adrenaline can overcome some fatigue
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[Heller]

No one is going to lay down and give up. Particularly a team like PSU. But they relied a ton on adreline late in the Iowa game. It's going to matter. F Purdue comes out and makes them work on defense I can't see them staying with us for 40 minutes. If we come out, throw up quick shots without floor balance we will be in trouble. But that's true no matter who we play.

 

[Boiler24]

Somebody help me...nothing is clear for me

I can honestly say, you have me confused. First it won't't be a fact, but if Purdue shows up, it will be a factor, but may only in late game, but....

So what are you trying to be clear about?

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Re: Somebody help me...nothing is clear for me

Originally posted by Boiler24:
I can honestly say, you have me confused. First it won't't be a fact, but if Purdue shows up, it will be a factor, but may only in late game, but....

So what are you trying to be clear about?

I'm fatigued thinking about it, that's clear

 

[lbodel]

Re: Somebody help me...nothing is clear for me

I said it will not be a major factor as some have said it will be on here. We aren't gonna win the game cause Penn State is exhausted.

The longer we let Penn State be in the game, or lead in the game, the less tired they will feel.

Not that complicated.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Re: Somebody help me...nothing is clear for me

Matt Painter is a good coach...he will make it a major factor..........

Basketball is simple game...take advantage of what you can when it is in front of you.

We have the inside advantage, depth and fresh legs....................

It may be close in the first half but second half we grind them in the court.

Simple shit.

Play with your words all you want so you can look right, but it is a major advantage to have fresh legs and be playing against a team who doesn't.


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[*4purdue*]

yes it will... Purdue is a team that makes you work for everything...

We have 2 7 footers that are not soft, they will have to out grind us, which won't be easy on short rest.

 

[lbodel]

Re: yes it will... Purdue is a team that makes you work for everything...

The whole point is that people were saying Purdue will be fine, PSU will be tired - but Purdue NEEDS to show up. If AJ Hammons vs. MSU shows up, that's not gonna grind them out. If a turnover infestation ala Minnesota shows up, that's not gonna grind them out. If we decide that we're a 3 point shooting team and shoot 25 of them, that's not gonna grind them out.

If Purdue shows up and plays with intensity, I think they'll be fine. But PSU has some advantages too having played in the tournament already too (including shooting in a rather cavernous arena). Not to mention that we got crushed against Minnesota after they won a game in OT the night before in the BTT before.

 

[boiler_89_]

So you were a High D1 bball player? Got it.
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[proudopete]

Re: yes it will... Purdue is a team that makes you work for everything...

In all honesty, if Purdue doesn't show up, IUPUI would win this game.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Never said that...so don't put words in my mouth.

I aspired to be but didn't have the height or talent (so only high school, AAU and D2)...did the best with what I got which is all we can do in this world.

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[BBG]

Fatigue will be a factor and there is just no way around it. Even the prediction on GBI's front page makes note of it. But, Purdue has to take advantage of it to make it effective.

Also one key will be to HOW the game is called. If the officials call a tight whistle heavy game, that will impact us more than PSU being fatigued. If they let us play, then we should be able to abuse PSU and their tired legs.

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

This will be their 5th game in 10 days, in the most physical league in the country, it's not just about fatigue it's about proper recovery. Newbill has averaged just shy of 39 minutes in that stretch. And 37 minutes for the year. As their leading scorer and most active player you won't be able to convince me it will have an effect. You can already see that in the last 3 games he's went from 31 to 26 to 18 points. Sure some of that is probably competition, but we are the same team we were last time we played. And while not much, he's played slightly less each game.

These guys play at a high level. You see at every major level of sports that back to back games affect teams. Some more than others, even in crunch time playoffs like this it still effects teams but usually deeper teams are at a slightly less disadvantage, and in playoff situations it usually effects both teams. You aren't going to be able to convince me that a team that relies so heavily on one person isn't at a disadvantage of that person playing 5 games in the last 10 days almost the full game every time. RD should be able to eat him up with fresh legs.

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by lbodel:
I've seen plenty of people now say that Penn State playing its 3rd game in 3 days will be some major advantage for Purdue.

Do I think it can be a factor? Sure, but mostly just late in the game. And if Penn State is in a good position, adrenaline will push them through.

And with Purdue playing 2 fewer games in the United Center than Penn State, if Purdue doesn't show up and play with intensity, even if Penn State is tired they can hang.

I disagree. Of course, Purdue can't come into this game and not play with their usual intensity. We must show up! If we don't, well, that's why they play the game. Penn State is a much better team than their record would imply. A couple lucky bounces and a couple referees that could actually see the game, and PSU might be mid to upper BIG right now.

Purdue screens and cuts, screens and cuts, chipping away until the other team makes a mistake. That is very tiring. We also make opposing teams work extremely hard on offense. Playing a Painter coached team is likely to exhaust almost any team we play against. Painter also goes deep into his bench so his team always has fresh legs.

Now take a team that has played competatives games the previous two days. They will have limited reserves of energy. The body just breaks down at some point, and adreneline will only last for so long. I see PSU putting up a competative first half, but coming out flat for the second half, and falling behind that first 5 minutes of the second half. They will not have the reserves to catch us in the end.

I will be very surprised if any of the play-in teams beat any of the 2-bye teams. Maybe OSU over MSU, but that is about it.

 

[Boiler Buck]

"Let me be perfectly clear...." Now who says that? Seems like I have heard some idiot say that somewhere?

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Originally posted by Boiler Buck:

"Let me be perfectly clear...." Now who says that? Seems like I have heard some idiot say that somewhere?

He did not have sexual relations with that woman?

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

Looking at the history of the tournament, and doing rough remembering and calculations in my head, it looks like no more than a possible 3-4 teams have won 3 in a row in the tournament. That's without digging deep into it and probably not remembering the old structures of the tourney, but going off the fact that only 4 teams lower than the 6th seed has ever made it to the championship game with none of them winning, I think that leads me to think in this 4 day format only 4ish teams have done if those 2 double digit teams teams played on day one and made it to the championship game. I can't remember what see numbers played on day one but I though it was 9-12. and if that's the case only 3 teams have ever won 3 games in straight in this tourney.

99 Illinois
02 Iowa
08 Ill

And if the 8 seed was a thursday game too somehow, you add 03 OSU

So even if you don't look at the fact that a low seed has never won the championship, or rarely wins 3 in a row, looking at who eventually ends up in the final game the likelihood of PSU making it there is very very low, even if they beat us. Historically speaking of course.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Re: Let's be clear: fatigue WILL be a major factor.........


Heck it's only mid-morning and I'm already tired of hearing about fatigue!!!

 

[Boilerbrewer]

Sorry...wrong place.

Never mind.


This post was edited on 3/13 10:46 AM by Boilerbrewer

 

[feulner]

UConn

Enough said.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Originally posted by Boiler Buck:

"Let me be perfectly clear...." Now who says that? Seems like I have heard some idiot say that somewhere?

I am not a crook.

 

[Grover]

The final 9:11 of the game disagrees...

We dont own the boards like we did with their shots missing if they weren't gassed.

Fatigue on the Lions was our MVP.

 

[lbodel]

Well it also helps to show up

I'm more than happy to be wrong…but was not some "cruise" like some people predicted.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

CMP agreed.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I would never expect to Isee fatigue be a factor early in the game. I think having played two consecutive games helped PSU in the first half as the were much more comfortable than Purdue, but I think it caught up with them in the second half, thanks to Purdue's tough, grinding D.
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[GodFamilyCountryPurdue]

Originally posted by lbodel:

I'm more than happy to be wrong…

You must be a VERY happy person! Sorry. I couldn't resist.

 

[lbodel]

However, I will say the point remained - if Purdue didn't pull their heads out of their ..... fatigue wouldn't have been a factor. Purdue showed up in the 2nd half, played a pretty smart game, went inside and took advantage there, played with energy, etc. All things they were not doing themselves in the first half. If they played like that the whole game we would have won by 20. We need to play as close to a complete game as possible in the postseason!

 

[Born Boiler]

Penn State went SCORELESS for eight of the last nine minutes ....

And Penn State went from a 19-18 rebound advantage at halftime to getting pounded on the boards 23-13 in the second half, while its shooting swooned from 40 percent to 26 percent.

If that's all "willpower" and defense, it's beyond dazzling, especially being the same defense that forces only three turnovers, total, all day.

No, fatigue clearly was not a major factor. It was damn near the only factor.

Thank goodness for winning the double bye. It's put us in the NCAA.

 

[Ross Mackey]

Originally posted by lbodel:

....I'm more than happy to be wrong…but was not some "cruise" like some people predicted

Whether or not Purdue would "cruise" was not the rather smug theme of this thread...

Regardless-kudos for admitting you were wrong.

All is forgiven- Purdue survives and advances.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Exactly......but I digress in saying that it would be a major factor and getting called out for it.

Glad the OP admitted he was wrong.....but then again he didn't.

I guess it doesn't really matter as long as we all stay positive Purdue fans and alumni.

That's what counts...or at least to me.

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