Les Miles is out

[pboiler18]

So him instantly turning around OkSt? Oh noes...that doesn't fit your narrative.

The Les Miles that did that is worth hiring. The Les Miles that did that doesn't get fired @ LSU this week.

I'm telling you....he's not the same coach that he was. It's exactly why he got canned.

Watch the end of that game. What he did at the end was Hope-esque timing wise. In fact, worse than anything Hope's ever done. He was yelling at the ref instead of calling a play and getting his team to the line so they could snap the ball in time. The fact that the clock would start after the penalty was 100% lost on him and cost his team the game.

Again, 12 years ago Les Miles....i'll take it. This Les Miles.....no freaking thanks.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

So him instantly turning around OkSt? Oh noes...that doesn't fit your narrative.

I think pboilers point is that was late 40s les miles, we would be getting early to mid 60s Les.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

I think pboilers point is that was late 40s les miles, we would be getting early to mid 60s Les.

any les miles > the current dumpster fire. A guy who wins A LOT and has national title experience and a national recruiting pipeline is too old? Who do we think we are going to get, exactly? I doubt les would even consider us, we are THAT embarrassing.

 

[pboiler18]

any les miles > the current dumpster fire. A guy who wins A LOT and has national title experience and a national recruiting pipeline is too old? Who do we think we are going to get, exactly? I doubt les would even consider us, we are THAT embarrassing.

The point is that we need to find a coach that is a fit and wants to be here.

Sure, Les is a name and has some buzz....but that buzz has faded after his firing and would fade quickly once he installed his offense and we went back to 3 downs and a shanked punt a la John Shoop.

If we don't win 6 this year, we will move forward....and move forward with a coach that wants to be here and wants to make us successful. Saying we should pick up every coach that gets fired this year is silly. Just because they are better than our current coach doesn't mean we should hire them and doesn't mean they are a fit and doesn't mean they are the best we could get.

Honestly, id rather watch a John Shoop offense than a Les Miles / Cam Cameron offense. IT's that bad....which is saying a lot for a team with a legitimate top 5 RB in college football.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

The point is that we need to find a coach that is a fit and wants to be here.

Sure, Les is a name and has some buzz....but that buzz has faded after his firing and would fade quickly once he installed his offense and we went back to 3 downs and a shanked punt a la John Shoop.

If we don't win 6 this year, we will move forward....and move forward with a coach that wants to be here and wants to make us successful. Saying we should pick up every coach that gets fired this year is silly. Just because they are better than our current coach doesn't mean we should hire them and doesn't mean they are a fit and doesn't mean they are the best we could get.

Honestly, id rather watch a John Shoop offense than a Les Miles / Cam Cameron offense. IT's that bad....which is saying a lot for a team with a legitimate top 5 RB in college football.

We need talent. I've watched 9 turnovers in 2 games. A well executed punt would be a welcome sight!

 

[ossim]

You know what Les Miles has always had at his previous programs? Huge boosters and a steady stream of $$$. What makes anyone think he can bring in all those recruits to Purdue without the same.

 

[Cevol03]

I understand there are some risks involved with Miles - maybe he is washed up and the game has passed him by, but maybe he just needed a change of scenery and can be very effective for us. For those who are strongly against Miles, who are you thinking would be better? PJ Fleck? Jeff Brohm?

 

[pboiler18]

I understand there are some risks involved with Miles - maybe he is washed up and the game has passed him by, but maybe he just needed a change of scenery and can be very effective for us. For those who are strongly against Miles, who are you thinking would be better? PJ Fleck? Jeff Brohm?

Yes. PJ Fleck. High end recruiter and has done well recruiting at a lower tier school. It's the pedigree we should look for. I think that we will be outpriced for the guys who are a combo of good recruiting/dynamic offense so we will have to pick 1.

I think we should pick the recruiting part and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

At least we know he was open to Purdue QBs as his starter

 

[TheBoris]

I understand there are some risks involved with Miles - maybe he is washed up and the game has passed him by, but maybe he just needed a change of scenery and can be very effective for us. For those who are strongly against Miles, who are you thinking would be better? PJ Fleck? Jeff Brohm?

Greg Schiano

 

[FirstDownB]

For those who are strongly against Miles, who are you thinking would be better? PJ Fleck? Jeff Brohm?

Here is where I'm at.. There will likely be at least a half dozen more desirable jobs open when this hire is made (similar to when DH2 was hired). Remember 2012, thinking we could get a Sonny Dykes, Butch Jones, Gus Malzhan, or even a Dave Doeren.
To fill out a "short list" of 8-10 viable candidates you're going to have to overlook some flaws, in one form or another. That's ok.. Flawed beats busted. A couple weeks ago I would have thought of Fleck as a fall back candidate. Now I think he will likely shoot past us. I guess my point is we can't afford to focus too narrow. This is why I am hesitant to write off almost anyone right off the bat - Miles, Briles, Fleck, Spack, etc., unless it is obvious there would be no mutual interest. Miles probably falls into the category of no mutual interest, but there's only one way to know for sure. If he's up for a rebuild, has fire in his belly, maybe wants to get back to the midwest.. what does it hurt to have a conversation.

 

[TheBoris]

Here is where I'm at.. There will likely be at least a half dozen more desirable jobs open when this hire is made (similar to when DH2 was hired). Remember 2012, thinking we could get a Sonny Dykes, Butch Jones, Gus Malzhan, or even a Dave Doeren.
To fill out a "short list" of 8-10 viable candidates you're going to have to overlook some flaws, in one form or another. That's ok.. Flawed beats busted. A couple weeks ago I would have thought of Fleck as a fall back candidate. Now I think he will likely shoot past us. I guess my point is we can't afford to focus too narrow. This is why I am hesitant to write off almost anyone right off the bat - Miles, Briles, Fleck, Spack, etc., unless it is obvious there would be no mutual interest. Miles probably falls into the category of no mutual interest, but there's only one way to know for sure. If he's up for a rebuild, has fire in his belly, maybe wants to get back to the midwest.. what does it hurt to have a conversation.

I hope and pray that we now have an entirely different mentality in the AD office than we did when DH2 was hired. No more penny-pinching. We need to offer a TOP salary plus plenty of allowance for the asst coaches. That would whittle your "...half dozen more desirable jobs open..." to virtually zero.

 

[FirstDownB]

I hope and pray that we now have an entirely different mentality in the AD office than we did when DH2 was hired. No more penny-pinching. We need to offer a TOP salary plus plenty of allowance for the asst coaches. That would whittle your "...half dozen more desirable jobs open..." to virtually zero.

They opened up the checkbook for DH2. Just didn't make a good choice from what was leftover after Auburn, Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, Cal, NC State took theirs. We can offer a competitive salary and still be behind programs like LSU, USC, Texas, Notre Dame, Penn State, UCLA, maybe Kentucky in the pecking order.

 

[pb1941]

Greg Schiano

He doesn`t like bicycle riders!

 

[pboiler18]

Anybody who wants Les Miles hasn't watched more than 5 minutes of an LSU game in the past 3 years

 

[DG10]

Anybody who wants Les Miles hasn't watched more than 5 minutes of an LSU game in the past 3 years

Regardless, there is not a single coach in all of Div I football that I would not take over what Purdue has presently...and Miles has more coaching ability and talent in his pinky finger on his right hand than Hazell will ever possess.

 

[pboiler18]

Regardless, there is not a single coach in all of Div I football that I would not take over what Purdue has presently...and Miles has more coaching ability and talent in his pinky finger on his right hand than Hazell will ever possess.

No, not anymore.

 

[DG10]

I hope and pray that we now have an entirely different mentality in the AD office than we did when DH2 was hired. No more penny-pinching. We need to offer a TOP salary plus plenty of allowance for the asst coaches. That would whittle your "...half dozen more desirable jobs open..." to virtually zero.

Purdue has to be one of the least desirable jobs in all of America...salary is not the issue, nor will it be the issue...the program was run into the ground by the total mismanagement of the retiring AD, so much so, that it goes beyond even a reclamation project at this point...there is genuinely nothing of interest to offer a prospective candidate as it stands other than salary potentially...someone else alluded to hiring someone that wants to be there...there is virtually nobody that genuinely would want to be there, never mind anyone of consequence. Purdue is without question the least desirable job in the conference, never mind one of the most difficult ones on top of that...hard to see that being real appealing to anyone not looking for a salary bump, and precisely how/why they ended up with Hazell and the program is what it now is.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Here is where I'm at.. There will likely be at least a half dozen more desirable jobs open when this hire is made (similar to when DH2 was hired). Remember 2012, thinking we could get a Sonny Dykes, Butch Jones, Gus Malzhan, or even a Dave Doeren.
To fill out a "short list" of 8-10 viable candidates you're going to have to overlook some flaws, in one form or another. That's ok.. Flawed beats busted. A couple weeks ago I would have thought of Fleck as a fall back candidate. Now I think he will likely shoot past us. I guess my point is we can't afford to focus too narrow. This is why I am hesitant to write off almost anyone right off the bat - Miles, Briles, Fleck, Spack, etc., unless it is obvious there would be no mutual interest. Miles probably falls into the category of no mutual interest, but there's only one way to know for sure. If he's up for a rebuild, has fire in his belly, maybe wants to get back to the midwest.. what does it hurt to have a conversation.

This is why I created a post that tried to get past the names of Fleck and others that may clearly shoot past us this year if DH is let go. More than likely, guys like Fleck will find another job that not only is more attractive as a place to coach but to also recruit and to have the full financial support of the AD AND the BOT of the school. That hasn't been proven ever at Purdue and MBob has to sell that is a new fact at Purdue under his guidance.

Brohm would be a nice hire given his ties to the midwest and his work at Western Kentucky. His background as a high caliber QB recruit would also help in the recruiting of QB's to Purdue as well. However, I think Purdue is going to have to take a flyer on a guy who has a bit of mystery or flaws to him.

Stitt is old but has a proven offensive system but I did like the posters who have brought up the fact that fans need to get over the lust and memories of past Purdue teams only being successful because they threw the ball all over the place...much more of a rarity in those days than it is now.

My vote would go to Major Applewhite or Lincoln Riley as they are young and up coming OC's who may end up leaving Purdue after success...but how bad is that if that is the case? We have to accept that with success of these young coaches that Purdue may end up being a stepping stone job (ala MSU before their run of success to relative national power). Getting a guy who may be a few years too green isn't a bad thing if you can get them here and live with the bumps in the road to get where we would like to go...because the bumps couldn't be near as bad as what we have seen up to this point.

This is all a mute point if Hazell is able to get to 6 wins and get a 7th at a lower tier bowl (Heart of Dallas Bowl for example). Would you all be comfortable firing Hazell if he got to 7 wins and returning most every player on both sides of the ball outside of the major contributors outside of Replogle and the G's coming back next season?

 

[TheBoris]

Purdue has to be one of the least desirable jobs in all of America...salary is not the issue, nor will it be the issue...the program was run into the ground by the total mismanagement of the retiring AD, so much so, that it goes beyond even a reclamation project at this point...there is genuinely nothing of interest to offer a prospective candidate as it stands other than salary potentially...someone else alluded to hiring someone that wants to be there...there is virtually nobody that genuinely would want to be there, never mind anyone of consequence. Purdue is without question the least desirable job in the conference, never mind one of the most difficult ones on top of that...hard to see that being real appealing to anyone not looking for a salary bump, and precisely how/why they ended up with Hazell and the program is what it now is.

You are being duplicitous. You cite the program being run into the ground by the former AD yet seem to be oblivious that we now have a new AD with marching orders to "fix football". And my God "...salary is not the issue, nor will it be the issue...". You cannot really be that clueless, right?

 

[DG10]

You are being duplicitous. You cite the program being run into the ground by the former AD yet seem to be oblivious that we now have a new AD with marching orders to "fix football". And my God "...salary is not the issue, nor will it be the issue...". You cannot really be that clueless, right?

Wait, Burke was not told to "fix football"? I am pretty sure that they did not tell him to ruin it, yet he (in conjunction with them), did just that.

There is no issue with salary...and no excuse for there to be one...that is the least of the potential concerns or issues.

 

[arcb102000]

Purdue is not unfixable. I would point out NW and Kansas St. as disastrous programs that were able to be turned around. Also, think of Baylor and TCU not that long ago. It can be done with commitment. Now, is there commitment?

 

[BoilerBiker]

It can be done with commitment. Now, is there commitment?

at least we will find out soon