Leaving early

[Hardg]

With NIL a thing now, will leaving early lose it’s attraction for players not being considered a possible lottery pick? Easiest example is Carsen Edwards. A great college basketball player. He is struggling to find a good job in basketball. Sure we are biased and hang onto the idea he just needs the right situation but odds are not high.

Every fan base throws around comments about their stars leaving early and even “determine” some recruits that haven’t even worn the uniform in college yet will be gone in 2 years.

Consider the fact there are only 30 first round picks each year and there have been some first round picks not even make teams. Add in the first round picks used on foreign players and the spots get even shorter for college players.

I read the threads and currently there is numerous comments about at least 4 or more players on the roster eventually heading to the NBA. I would be very happy for them but really? Not a fan of the NBA but DFS has me watching. I recommend everyone take a look from time to time before determining who is going to leave early or even who projects to be an NBA player.

Do NOT take this as a knock on any of the players I mention. Their skills are making life a lot of fun for all of us. Ivy may get drafted in first round but I am leaning that currently his odds are higher in missing the first round than being a lottery pick. Watch the NBA and tell people where their is a spot in the first round at the end of this year for Trevion and Edey. Watch the NBA and tell me you really project anyone else on the roster into the first round of any NBA draft.

As I said, this is not to attack the current roster. I am in my 60’s and this is the most exciting time I have had being a Purdue basketball fan and that is because of the players on the current roster. My point is relax and enjoy their talents at Purdue rather than setting them up to be a failure because they do not eventually get one of those 30 spots in the first round.

 

[proudopete]

With NIL a thing now, will leaving early lose it’s attraction for players not being considered a possible lottery pick? Easiest example is Carsen Edwards. A great college basketball player. He is struggling to find a good job in basketball. Sure we are biased and hang onto the idea he just needs the right situation but odds are not high.

Every fan base throws around comments about their stars leaving early and even “determine” some recruits that haven’t even worn the uniform in college yet will be gone in 2 years.

Consider the fact there are only 30 first round picks each year and there have been some first round picks not even make teams. Add in the first round picks used on foreign players and the spots get even shorter for college players.

I read the threads and currently there is numerous comments about at least 4 or more players on the roster eventually heading to the NBA. I would be very happy for them but really? Not a fan of the NBA but DFS has me watching. I recommend everyone take a look from time to time before determining who is going to leave early or even who projects to be an NBA player.

Do NOT take this as a knock on any of the players I mention. Their skills are making life a lot of fun for all of us. Ivy may get drafted in first round but I am leaning that currently his odds are higher in missing the first round than being a lottery pick. Watch the NBA and tell people where their is a spot in the first round at the end of this year for Trevion and Edey. Watch the NBA and tell me you really project anyone else on the roster into the first round of any NBA draft.

As I said, this is not to attack the current roster. I am in my 60’s and this is the most exciting time I have had being a Purdue basketball fan and that is because of the players on the current roster. My point is relax and enjoy their talents at Purdue rather than setting them up to be a failure because they do not eventually get one of those 30 spots in the first round.

So Brandon Stephonavich isn’t a for sure lottery pick?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

With NIL a thing now, will leaving early lose it’s attraction for players not being considered a possible lottery pick? Easiest example is Carsen Edwards. A great college basketball player. He is struggling to find a good job in basketball. Sure we are biased and hang onto the idea he just needs the right situation but odds are not high.

Every fan base throws around comments about their stars leaving early and even “determine” some recruits that haven’t even worn the uniform in college yet will be gone in 2 years.

Consider the fact there are only 30 first round picks each year and there have been some first round picks not even make teams. Add in the first round picks used on foreign players and the spots get even shorter for college players.

I read the threads and currently there is numerous comments about at least 4 or more players on the roster eventually heading to the NBA. I would be very happy for them but really? Not a fan of the NBA but DFS has me watching. I recommend everyone take a look from time to time before determining who is going to leave early or even who projects to be an NBA player.

Do NOT take this as a knock on any of the players I mention. Their skills are making life a lot of fun for all of us. Ivy may get drafted in first round but I am leaning that currently his odds are higher in missing the first round than being a lottery pick. Watch the NBA and tell people where their is a spot in the first round at the end of this year for Trevion and Edey. Watch the NBA and tell me you really project anyone else on the roster into the first round of any NBA draft.

As I said, this is not to attack the current roster. I am in my 60’s and this is the most exciting time I have had being a Purdue basketball fan and that is because of the players on the current roster. My point is relax and enjoy their talents at Purdue rather than setting them up to be a failure because they do not eventually get one of those 30 spots in the first round.

Ivey will be a top 10 pick.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Ivey will be a top 10 pick.

without disagreeing, I think his point was that there are probably not three other first round picks on this team. I totally agree with that. There may not be another 1st round pick on this team. Who fits the model of an NBA wing? I am assuming no one fits the model of an NBA Big! Of those PGs taken in the last two years, who, other than Ivey, fits that model? I think the mantra is that a great college player does not make a great NBA player.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

without disagreeing, I think his point was that there are probably not three other first round picks on this team. I totally agree with that. There may not be another 1st round pick on this team. Who fits the model of an NBA wing? I am assuming no one fits the model of an NBA Big! Of those PGs taken in the last two years, who, other than Ivey, fits that model? I think the mantra is that a great college player does not make a great NBA player.

Zach is such a physical freak that I could see him getting drafted by a team that wants use him off the bench as a curveball. Very few NBA teams have 5s that can guard him any more. Especially backup 5s.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Zach is such a physical freak that I could see him getting drafted by a team that wants use him off the bench as a curveball. Very few NBA teams have 5s that can guard him any more. Especially backup 5s.

Zach will play in Europe ... but not in 2022-23

 

[Do Dah Day]

Zach is such a physical freak that I could see him getting drafted by a team that wants use him off the bench as a curveball. Very few NBA teams have 5s that can guard him any more. Especially backup 5s.

There's Holmgren (#1), Duren (#4), and Nzsosa (#8) (A game-changing defender with elite length/size and mobility. An unreal athlete for his size. Yannick is ranked no.3 on the updated International Elite 15) as Centers in the first round ... He's not even close to what an NBA player is like they are ... maybe in later rounds, but that's not what we're talking about here.

There's not a single Jr or Sr in the projected first round ... and that is consistent with most past years. Marcus Carr isn't even projected as a 1st rounder.

Drew Timme (Jr) is predicted to be a 1st team AA this year - not projected to be a 1st rounder. Johnny Juzang (Jr), a predicted 1st team AA ... not a predicted 1st rounder. Cockburn (Jr) predicted AA ... not a 1st rounder. Tre (Sr.) and Jackson-Davis (Jr) ... AA, not a 1st rounder. Lidell (Jr) AA not 1st rounder. Abmas (Jr), AA, not 1st rounder. Gillespie (Jr), AA, not a 1st rounder. Sasser (Jr) and Champgnie (Jr), AA, not 1st rounders. Quinerly (Jr), Tshiebwe (Jr), AA, not 1st rounder, Brady (Sr), McCormack (Sr). AA, not 1st rounder

Holmgren and Banchero, both freshmen AA, Predicted #1 and #2 in the NBA draft. Baldwin, Jr. (FR) AA, predicted #9 in draft.

 

[Hardg]

Ivey will be a top 10 pick.

I really do hope so. I am a doubter until he improves 3 point shot from me hoping it goes in to me expecting it to go in. All the tools are there except the long range shooting. It’s hard drive by NBA defenders if you are not a threat to shoot long ball.

 

[DAG10]

Ivey will be a top 10 pick.

This year?

 

[Do Dah Day]

I really do hope so. I am a doubter until he improves 3 point shot from me hoping it goes in to me expecting it to go in. All the tools are there except the long range shooting. It’s hard drive by NBA defenders if you are not a threat to shoot long ball.

I hope so too. He is definitely on their radar! I do agree, he has some proving to do. And I am confident he will do it. I am also confident that CMP will do all he can to "make" him do what he needs to do.

 

[DAG10]

With NIL a thing now, will leaving early lose it’s attraction for players not being considered a possible lottery pick? Easiest example is Carsen Edwards. A great college basketball player. He is struggling to find a good job in basketball. Sure we are biased and hang onto the idea he just needs the right situation but odds are not high.

Every fan base throws around comments about their stars leaving early and even “determine” some recruits that haven’t even worn the uniform in college yet will be gone in 2 years.

Consider the fact there are only 30 first round picks each year and there have been some first round picks not even make teams. Add in the first round picks used on foreign players and the spots get even shorter for college players.

I read the threads and currently there is numerous comments about at least 4 or more players on the roster eventually heading to the NBA. I would be very happy for them but really? Not a fan of the NBA but DFS has me watching. I recommend everyone take a look from time to time before determining who is going to leave early or even who projects to be an NBA player.

Do NOT take this as a knock on any of the players I mention. Their skills are making life a lot of fun for all of us. Ivy may get drafted in first round but I am leaning that currently his odds are higher in missing the first round than being a lottery pick. Watch the NBA and tell people where their is a spot in the first round at the end of this year for Trevion and Edey. Watch the NBA and tell me you really project anyone else on the roster into the first round of any NBA draft.

As I said, this is not to attack the current roster. I am in my 60’s and this is the most exciting time I have had being a Purdue basketball fan and that is because of the players on the current roster. My point is relax and enjoy their talents at Purdue rather than setting them up to be a failure because they do not eventually get one of those 30 spots in the first round.

I don't think NIL changes that...not for most at least, as, not enough $ in NIL to make up for landing a contract for 3-years.

So much of the NBA, aside of the true elite, is indeed about fit and the right situation...and CE is an example of that (one of many for that matter).

To your point, however, Purdue does not have 4 NBA guys on the roster right now likely...not 4 first-round guys at least...I think the guy with the most potential for a NBA opportunity outside of Ivey is the one that is redshirting. actually.

 

[Do Dah Day]

So, let's play the odds! No player past a Soph is normally drafted in the first two rounds. So, what frosh this year might go in 2023? Furst? In 2024? TKR????????

Honestly, I don't see either one happening.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I don't think NIL changes that...not for most at least, as, not enough $ in NIL to make up for landing a contract for 3-years.

So much of the NBA, aside of the true elite, is indeed about fit and the right situation...and CE is an example of that (one of many for that matter).

To your point, however, Purdue does not have 4 NBA guys on the roster right now likely...not 4 first-round guys at least...I think the guy with the most potential for a NBA opportunity outside of Ivey is the one that is redshirting. actually.

Yep

 

[Hardg]

I don't think NIL changes that...not for most at least, as, not enough $ in NIL to make up for landing a contract for 3-years.

So much of the NBA, aside of the true elite, is indeed about fit and the right situation...and CE is an example of that (one of many for that matter).

To your point, however, Purdue does not have 4 NBA guys on the roster right now likely...not 4 first-round guys at least...I think the guy with the most potential for a NBA opportunity outside of Ivey is the one that is redshirting. actually.

I agree that NIL is not enough money. It was not a great lead in to my point that these kids are having smoke blown up their butt by family, friends, and fans about how great they are and their NBA prospects before they even get into college. In some way, they must almost feel obligated to enter draft or be considered a failure. My point was that people do not realize that NBA is on an extremely higher level than college and in some ways takes a different skill set. Basketball is a completely different profession than other sports. You really get one shot to make it big in the NBA. If that fails, it is very rare that someone gets another chance. Consider prospects for a college baseball star drafted in 1st round. They give them a contract, send them to the minors, and basically tell them don’t call us, we’ll call you. They are given time to develop.

 

[TC4THREE]

Since when is being able to make it in the NBA a prerequisite for leaving? Some may feel that they are done with college and are ready to move on to the next phase of their life. Yeah, they might give the NBA their best shot knowing if it doesn't work out they could play overseas, start coaching, or begin a career outside of basketball altogether.

Consider that our three seniors this year could all come back next year and all are choosing not to. Of the three, only Williams has a glimmer of hope to make an NBA roster. So all probably have plans other than the NBA for what they plan to do next year other than play college bball.

Aside from Ivey, who is projected to get drafted, the only underclassman in play is Edey and I think he is just such a wildcard due to his size that nobody knows how to project him OR what his desires are. It is probably a stretch to assume he's leaving specifically for the NBA at this point but if he's statistically dominant this season he may look at it like he has nothing left to prove here and take his shot at the NBA knowing his worst-case scenario is getting paid to play bball overseas. Especially if a player attains his degree early, I think that option is in play.

 

[mman982]

I agree that NIL is not enough money. It was not a great lead in to my point that these kids are having smoke blown up their butt by family, friends, and fans about how great they are and their NBA prospects before they even get into college. In some way, they must almost feel obligated to enter draft or be considered a failure. My point was that people do not realize that NBA is on an extremely higher level than college and in some ways takes a different skill set. Basketball is a completely different profession than other sports. You really get one shot to make it big in the NBA. If that fails, it is very rare that someone gets another chance. Consider prospects for a college baseball star drafted in 1st round. They give them a contract, send them to the minors, and basically tell them don’t call us, we’ll call you. They are given time to develop.

Charles Barkley participated in a panel at my company along with Spike Lee. It was fascinating to say the least. The one message he has for players when he is invited to talk to teams is (to paraphrase) that you better be investing in your education cause ain’t none of you gonna make the nba. He said half the kids think they are gonna get a big pro contract when in reality it’s more likely that none of them will. He’s very pro education.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

This year?

Yep. Assuming he shows at least SOME improvement with his 3 ball.

 

[DAG10]

Yep. Assuming he shows at least SOME improvement with his 3 ball.

Bold, but, that is fine...

We will see what happens, but, I am hard pressed to believe that it happens...barring just some incredible changes between now and April...not impossible by any means, but, tough for those things to happen during the season if they did not in the offseason.

That all said...NBA drafts entirely on what they see as potential and for the future.

If it happens...he, and, Purdue, will have had REALLY good years it would seem.

 

[boilerball2021]

Bold, but, that is fine...

We will see what happens, but, I am hard pressed to believe that it happens...barring just some incredible changes between now and April...not impossible by any means, but, tough for those things to happen during the season if they did not in the offseason.

That all said...NBA drafts entirely on what they see as potential and for the future.

If it happens...he, and, Purdue, will have had REALLY good years it would seem.

ESPN updated their mock draft this morning with Ivey at 9 and Edey at 43.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Bold, but, that is fine...

We will see what happens, but, I am hard pressed to believe that it happens...barring just some incredible changes between now and April...not impossible by any means, but, tough for those things to happen during the season if they did not in the offseason.

That all said...NBA drafts entirely on what they see as potential and for the future.

If it happens...he, and, Purdue, will have had REALLY good years it would seem.

He just needs to show that he CAN improve it.

 

[proudopete]

He just needs to show that he CAN improve it.

This is correct. They grab guys with potential and it’s likely he reaches that while not in a Purdue uniform.

 

[DAG10]

ESPN updated their mock draft this morning with Ivey at 9 and Edey at 43.

ESPN has not watched Purdue basketball '21...

Kidding, but, not entirely...and, mostly irrelevant anyway.

Ivey is much more likely than Edey...great publicity regardless, and, good for the program as well as those guys individually.

I can at least see Ivey and his skills/ability translating at the next level...although I still can't get past the idea that a guy that has not displayed the ability to shoot is a lottery pick (see Markelle Fultz), and, he has to improve as well with respect to cutting down turnovers...while dishing out assists.

Like say, it is great for those guys and for Purdue to even have the matter discussed...and, in Ivey's case, it should serve as motivation to work on those things that he needs to so as to stay where he is in those mock drafts. He has shown that he is willing to put in work...and, it is clear that he has a mission as well...I am excited about watching him this year and seeing what happens...individually, and, for Purdue...like say, if he ends up a lottery pick, he and Purdue will have had a special season.

 

[DAG10]

He just needs to show that he CAN improve it.

You are right, but, I look at Markelle Fultz and that has to be a pretty fair comparison...Ben Simmons as well...literally every guy at that level CAN improve...not all of them do...and not a lot of guys that go in the lottery that have not already done it (and, those that do, for whatever reason, generally have not improved it).

 

[Boileratthebeach]

ESPN updated their mock draft this morning with Ivey at 9 and Edey at 43.

Interesting with Edey. That's the first time he's been mentioned in any mock drafts so far right?

 

[boilerball2021]

Interesting with Edey. That's the first time he's been mentioned in any mock drafts so far right?

He has been mentioned before. This one has Ivey at 2 and Edey at 29.

2022 NBA Mock Draft big board | FOX Sports

With the 2021 NBA Draft in the books, Jason McIntyre looks ahead to the top 30 players available in 2022.

www.foxsports.com

 

[Woodsa]

With NIL a thing now, will leaving early lose it’s attraction for players not being considered a possible lottery pick? Easiest example is Carsen Edwards. A great college basketball player. He is struggling to find a good job in basketball. Sure we are biased and hang onto the idea he just needs the right situation but odds are not high.

Every fan base throws around comments about their stars leaving early and even “determine” some recruits that haven’t even worn the uniform in college yet will be gone in 2 years.

Consider the fact there are only 30 first round picks each year and there have been some first round picks not even make teams. Add in the first round picks used on foreign players and the spots get even shorter for college players.

I read the threads and currently there is numerous comments about at least 4 or more players on the roster eventually heading to the NBA. I would be very happy for them but really? Not a fan of the NBA but DFS has me watching. I recommend everyone take a look from time to time before determining who is going to leave early or even who projects to be an NBA player.

Do NOT take this as a knock on any of the players I mention. Their skills are making life a lot of fun for all of us. Ivy may get drafted in first round but I am leaning that currently his odds are higher in missing the first round than being a lottery pick. Watch the NBA and tell people where their is a spot in the first round at the end of this year for Trevion and Edey. Watch the NBA and tell me you really project anyone else on the roster into the first round of any NBA draft.

As I said, this is not to attack the current roster. I am in my 60’s and this is the most exciting time I have had being a Purdue basketball fan and that is because of the players on the current roster. My point is relax and enjoy their talents at Purdue rather than setting them up to be a failure because they do not eventually get one of those 30 spots in the first round.

I think you are spot on in that NIL may delay the entry to NBA for some. There will always be those that go but for some, NIL creates economic opportunities that could rival base salaries. Easier to earn $$$ being a big fish in a small pond as the saying goes.

Carsen E. may be a good example, had he stayed at Purdue, broke records, advanced his team, gained more media attention then NIL would have enabled him to earn $$$ all while refining his craft and enhancing his brand.

Of course, there is the risk of getting hurt or failing expectation, both would contribute to a loss of opportunity.

LET'S GO BRANDON

 

[Hardg]

I think you are spot on in that NIL may delay the entry to NBA for some. There will always be those that go but for some, NIL creates economic opportunities that could rival base salaries. Easier to earn $$$ being a big fish in a small pond as the saying goes.

Carsen E. may be a good example, had he stayed at Purdue, broke records, advanced his team, gained more media attention then NIL would have enabled him to earn $$$ all while refining his craft and enhancing his brand.

Of course, there is the risk of getting hurt or failing expectation, both would contribute to a loss of opportunity.

LET'S GO BRANDON

I guess the picture I see is kids going into the draft expecting a big pay day. Then they end up in 2nd round, go to summer league, then camp, then either the bench or g league. They bounce around thinking they will find the right situation while the next draft loads up the league with another group of 18 or 19 year olds expecting all their dreams to be reached.

In simple terms, if you aren’t a first round pick before you turn 20, it’s not going to happen. Sure, you can make a decent living playing in front of small crowds with no energy or go overseas but those opportunities would still be there after completing a full college career. Dakota Mathias is an example of that.

 

[purduedavie]

This year?

15-20 range would be my guess, he’ll be gone. Edey with the NIL in my opinion comes back 1 more season for the Boilers, sometimes jumping into the NBA too quick doesn’t help a player. I will say this, I hope he plays himself into a first rounder and leaves, that is a best case scenario for Zach and this years Purdue team.

 

[IUhaterade]

15-20 range would be my guess, he’ll be gone. Edey with the NIL in my opinion comes back 1 more season for the Boilers, sometimes jumping into the NBA too quick doesn’t help a player. I will say this, I hope he plays himself into a first rounder and leaves, that is a best case scenario for Zach and this years Purdue team.

I would bet- he goes top 12

 

[FirstDownB]

Funny. Purdue fans have a lower opinion of Jaden than the rest of the world. Every mock draft or draft board I've seen has him in the top 10.

 

[DAG10]

15-20 range would be my guess, he’ll be gone. Edey with the NIL in my opinion comes back 1 more season for the Boilers, sometimes jumping into the NBA too quick doesn’t help a player. I will say this, I hope he plays himself into a first rounder and leaves, that is a best case scenario for Zach and this years Purdue team.

I don't disagree that he is not likely to be back at Purdue a year from now...but, I am skeptical that he is a top 10 pick, at least as it stands today. Like say, a lot could happen between now and then though and he could indeed end up there.

I am way more skeptical on Edey though...especially with consideration of another post in this thread talking about so many other guys (i.e., Cockburn)...I mean Garza was POTY...twice...and barely got drafted still.

If Edey were a shot blocking machine like Gobert or something...maybe...and I do think he moves really well for a legitimate big guy...but, he needs to develop strength...still needs to develop coordination...needs to develop in the post (as he can't just dunk on guys in the NBA)...and the game needs to slow down for him...those things can happen, but, it would be a virtual miracle if they happened before June. The NBA barely has any true bigs in the game today...I am leery of them suddenly wanting one...and just one.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I guess the picture I see is kids going into the draft expecting a big pay day. Then they end up in 2nd round, go to summer league, then camp, then either the bench or g league. They bounce around thinking they will find the right situation while the next draft loads up the league with another group of 18 or 19 year olds expecting all their dreams to be reached.

In simple terms, if you aren’t a first round pick before you turn 20, it’s not going to happen. Sure, you can make a decent living playing in front of small crowds with no energy or go overseas but those opportunities would still be there after completing a full college career. Dakota Mathias is an example of that.

Agree!

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I don't disagree that he is not likely to be back at Purdue a year from now...but, I am skeptical that he is a top 10 pick, at least as it stands today. Like say, a lot could happen between now and then though and he could indeed end up there.

I am way more skeptical on Edey though...especially with consideration of another post in this thread talking about so many other guys (i.e., Cockburn)...I mean Garza was POTY...twice...and barely got drafted still.

If Edey were a shot blocking machine like Gobert or something...maybe...and I do think he moves really well for a legitimate big guy...but, he needs to develop strength...still needs to develop coordination...needs to develop in the post (as he can't just dunk on guys in the NBA)...and the game needs to slow down for him...those things can happen, but, it would be a virtual miracle if they happened before June. The NBA barely has any true bigs in the game today...I am leery of them suddenly wanting one...and just one.

If he’s not top 10, he’ll be close. All of the NBA mocks have Jaden in the 7-14/back half of the lottery range. A big reason why is he is going to be a 2 way player from the jump.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Ivey looked like an NBA player to me last night. Not only talented, but really fun to watch. Edey is playing out of his mind thus far. I think he probably needs to develop at least a midrange jumper before getting to the NBA. Then again, NBA drafts on potential and he's got a lot of that.

 

[purduedavie]

I would bet- he goes top 12

Good chance, 10-15 might be a better guess. Either way, he’s not coming back, after watching Edey last night I might change my prediction.

 

[Wolegib]

I don't believe the NIL will be a big factor of anything, except you may start seeing the Hollywood money paying athletes to come to LA with cars, houses and parties. Maybe some shoe companies will sign a couple of players. i can't see NIl really affecting more than 5 players a year. and those 5 players would have left after one year before the NIL.

What i see is more players joining minor league / developmental leagues. There were a couple of NBA prospects that joined a developmental league instead of college this year. If they get drafted, others will follow, and the developmental leagues will start to grow and prosper. Just think about it. you tell an 18 year old, he's going to make a minimum of $20,000 a year just to basiccally play advanced AAU basketball. No chemistry classes to worry about. And the developmental leagues will have as many pro scouts as college games do. I could see the developmental leagues also being a source of players for Euro pro leagues.

For somebody coming out of high school, and given the opportunity to play AAU style of basketball without having to worry about learning how to play man to man defense, and to also be paid for doing it, and having pro scouts watching you, what's not to like?

if that's what the player really wants to do, I'm all for it. I can envision within 10 years college basketball will become much like college baseball. The superstars will skip college. you will see a few. and the ones who go to college, will stay longer, much like the baseball players currently do.

that's not a bad thing. College talent will be lower, but games will be more competitive as the talent level at Duke UK, Kansas, etc will be closer to the level of other schools. Maybe you'll see more athletes going to colleges to get a degree rather than using them to showcase their talents. I have to ask, why did Eastern choose purdue? for a degree? or to showcase his talents and get drafted? Maybe we'll go back to the old days of watching College athletes rather than athletes who play at your college.

 

[BoilerAndy]

I don't believe the NIL will be a big factor of anything, except you may start seeing the Hollywood money paying athletes to come to LA with cars, houses and parties. Maybe some shoe companies will sign a couple of players. i can't see NIl really affecting more than 5 players a year. and those 5 players would have left after one year before the NIL.

What i see is more players joining minor league / developmental leagues. There were a couple of NBA prospects that joined a developmental league instead of college this year. If they get drafted, others will follow, and the developmental leagues will start to grow and prosper. Just think about it. you tell an 18 year old, he's going to make a minimum of $20,000 a year just to basiccally play advanced AAU basketball. No chemistry classes to worry about. And the developmental leagues will have as many pro scouts as college games do. I could see the developmental leagues also being a source of players for Euro pro leagues.

For somebody coming out of high school, and given the opportunity to play AAU style of basketball without having to worry about learning how to play man to man defense, and to also be paid for doing it, and having pro scouts watching you, what's not to like?

if that's what the player really wants to do, I'm all for it. I can envision within 10 years college basketball will become much like college baseball. The superstars will skip college. you will see a few. and the ones who go to college, will stay longer, much like the baseball players currently do.

that's not a bad thing. College talent will be lower, but games will be more competitive as the talent level at Duke UK, Kansas, etc will be closer to the level of other schools. Maybe you'll see more athletes going to colleges to get a degree rather than using them to showcase their talents. I have to ask, why did Eastern choose purdue? for a degree? or to showcase his talents and get drafted? Maybe we'll go back to the old days of watching College athletes rather than athletes who play at your college.

$20,000/year? That's barely above poverty level for a married couple. I'm not seeing the draw.

 

[IUhaterade]

I don't believe the NIL will be a big factor of anything, except you may start seeing the Hollywood money paying athletes to come to LA with cars, houses and parties. Maybe some shoe companies will sign a couple of players. i can't see NIl really affecting more than 5 players a year. and those 5 players would have left after one year before the NIL.

What i see is more players joining minor league / developmental leagues. There were a couple of NBA prospects that joined a developmental league instead of college this year. If they get drafted, others will follow, and the developmental leagues will start to grow and prosper. Just think about it. you tell an 18 year old, he's going to make a minimum of $20,000 a year just to basiccally play advanced AAU basketball. No chemistry classes to worry about. And the developmental leagues will have as many pro scouts as college games do. I could see the developmental leagues also being a source of players for Euro pro leagues.

For somebody coming out of high school, and given the opportunity to play AAU style of basketball without having to worry about learning how to play man to man defense, and to also be paid for doing it, and having pro scouts watching you, what's not to like?

if that's what the player really wants to do, I'm all for it. I can envision within 10 years college basketball will become much like college baseball. The superstars will skip college. you will see a few. and the ones who go to college, will stay longer, much like the baseball players currently do.

that's not a bad thing. College talent will be lower, but games will be more competitive as the talent level at Duke UK, Kansas, etc will be closer to the level of other schools. Maybe you'll see more athletes going to colleges to get a degree rather than using them to showcase their talents. I have to ask, why did Eastern choose purdue? for a degree? or to showcase his talents and get drafted? Maybe we'll go back to the old days of watching College athletes rather than athletes who play at your college.

TL;DR

 

[buffboiler]

Ivey was the best athlete on the court tonight, no question about that.
Zach may need more confidence, strength, and consistency.
FWIW, I would think that another year may help ZE's stock to rise much higher.
Unless he continues to improve to that point this year.

Boiler Up!!

 

[Casey and his Brother]

With NIL a thing now, will leaving early lose it’s attraction for players not being considered a possible lottery pick? Easiest example is Carsen Edwards. A great college basketball player. He is struggling to find a good job in basketball. Sure we are biased and hang onto the idea he just needs the right situation but odds are not high.

Every fan base throws around comments about their stars leaving early and even “determine” some recruits that haven’t even worn the uniform in college yet will be gone in 2 years.

Consider the fact there are only 30 first round picks each year and there have been some first round picks not even make teams. Add in the first round picks used on foreign players and the spots get even shorter for college players.

I read the threads and currently there is numerous comments about at least 4 or more players on the roster eventually heading to the NBA. I would be very happy for them but really? Not a fan of the NBA but DFS has me watching. I recommend everyone take a look from time to time before determining who is going to leave early or even who projects to be an NBA player.

Do NOT take this as a knock on any of the players I mention. Their skills are making life a lot of fun for all of us. Ivy may get drafted in first round but I am leaning that currently his odds are higher in missing the first round than being a lottery pick. Watch the NBA and tell people where their is a spot in the first round at the end of this year for Trevion and Edey. Watch the NBA and tell me you really project anyone else on the roster into the first round of any NBA draft.

As I said, this is not to attack the current roster. I am in my 60’s and this is the most exciting time I have had being a Purdue basketball fan and that is because of the players on the current roster. My point is relax and enjoy their talents at Purdue rather than setting them up to be a failure because they do not eventually get one of those 30 spots in the first round.

You go when you gotta go. Swanigan was never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever going to stick in the NBA, but it was the right move to go when he was going to get drafted and get a chance.

Edwards probably can be a journeyman for a few more years, but same deal. Cash in on the tournament exposure. You can always go to a Purdue or Phoenix Online and finish a degree in OLS or some other nonsense jock degree if you think meaningless college degrees still mean something.