Lay of the land?
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I honestly don't get the appeal of Baylor over Cal. With the cloud over Baylor, the uncertainty of the Big 12, I just don't get what would make them attractive to a current P5 coach. Just can't imagine how bad their current situation with the school and AD would have to be for Baylor to look like a step up.
Oh, I'm not saying it will happen. I'm just saying that if it does happen, Baylor would be off the board but Cal would now be looking for a coach, so it really doesn't clear anything up. Regardless of who Baylor gets (assuming that person is coaching now), it creates an opening somewhere else that might look more attractive than Purdue.
Are you suggesting that hurts Purdue's chances or are you just throwing it out for discussion? I actually think Fedora to Baylor would be good news for Purdue and here's why:
1. All else equal, Baylor is going to get to pick their guy before Purdue does. It's a better program today, even despite the scandal. New coach, new president, new athletic department staff... the new coach won't be tainted by the scandal... at all.
2. If UNC coach jumps to Baylor, that's because Baylor is a better gig. Ergo, Purdue is now theoretically competing with a lesser program in UNC than they were in Baylor. If Baylor were to take Purdue's #1 choice, that might change my thinking; but if Baylor takes somebody not in Purdue's top 3, then that's a win for Purdue.
Chuck Pagano might be available after this season. He about got canned last year.
I'm surprised we haven't looked at the biggest re-tread of all time - Norv Turner. It makes me cringe just typing his name.
I'm surprised we haven't looked at the biggest re-tread of all time - Norv Turner. It makes me cringe just typing his name.
I have no idea, but having a lot of relatives in Tennessee who are Vol fans, I do know the Vol Nation is sick of their current
coach.
So, who meets Knight's job qualifications? No one currently looking for a job, that's for sure. How likely is it that Oregon could pry Saban or Meyer away from their current gigs?
Because those are the only 2 names that fit the bill. Not gonna happen. But, maybe I'm overlooking a viable candidate.
Not sure why Carroll would leave Seattle for a college gig. I'm sure Paul Allen can match Phil Knight on the pay scale, so money wouldn't be the reason.
Wrong. Baylor is completely toxic, and was a dumpster fire before Briles got there. And now with Herman at TX?? They will return to the bottom of the BXII as is their historical position (18-102 in 15 years of real BXII). PUR > Baylor.
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Fleck to UNC has been rumored as PJ actually said he'd be interested in coaching there. That's where the Fleck > UNC stuff comes from.
To be honest, I'm not sure Purdue was that much less of a dumpster fire pre-Tiller than Baylor was pre-Briles. Purdue had been to 1 bowl game in the 16 seasons before Tiller and they lost it. Were they getting their teeth kicked in as badly in the B1G as Baylor was in XII? No, but they weren't exactly tearing it up either.
My point: Baylor - right now - is in a FAR better place as a football program than Purdue and I don't believe anybody without a Purdue/midwest connection is going to choose Purdue over Baylor right now, all else equal. The scandal, while terrible, is over. They have turned over the AD, Pres, coach, and others... nobody is going to look at the new Baylor coach a year from now and associate him or his team with what happened (assuming nothing else comes out subsequently).
The problem with Baylor is that they won't be a P5 program when the B12 inevitably breaks up. When GORs expire in the early 20's, UT and OU are looking to get someplace better ASAP. And no other P5 conference will have any interest in Baylor. Now a coach today may not care about 5-10 years from now but many will.
Have you seen Baylor's new stadium....right next to the highway for all to see? Beautiful and totally first class. I believe they will still be a very viable location, they have tons of money, and they'll want to continue the success they've known. Don't count Baylor out for the SEC (if they want to expand), or even the Big 10.
Yes I've driven past it. Very nice. Thanks to Drayton McLane. I could see them settling into a Boise State BYU type program (with TT and TCU). But the SEC has zero use for them because they already have TAMU. They don't fit the profile for the B1G either...small religious school with mediocre academics.
I just don't see them having a seat in the next round of conference realignment/consolidation. They will struggle to compete financially with schools that have much larger TV contracts.
Remember, as been noted already, Baylor has been a joke of a program until just recently. They're one bad hire away from being right back there.
The thing about Baylor is, and you're right that they were a joke of a program, they have made some solid hires lately, and there's no reason to believe they can't continue to do that, even with a small enrollment.
