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Fleck refuses to talk with anyone until MAC championship game completed. However, agent has engaged with Purdue (and others). If Helfrich is released it is because Ducks feel confident in acquiring Fleck. (I believe that has been a goal throughout the season)
Fleck not an unanimous choice for Boilers,
Others in play include Kleinan from FCS NDSU, Brohm from WKU, Calhoun from AF, former Purdue QB coach Olson from the NFL, and Sumlin only if someone wants to take on big bucks buyout.
The good news is that names like Holtz (or, gasp, Charlie) and Miles are not mentioned.
 
Some Duck fans want Fleck, but the one that matters is Phil Knight who has said he's willing to support a $10M per contract for a coach who can deliver a NC. I don't think Fleck is at that level and they are going to be aiming a lot higher.

Look at any current P5 or NFL coach who people think is really good and not making anywhere close to $10M and I think you'll have a good start at a list for what they will be aiming at. Hopefully by the time the dust settles from Oregon, we will already have introduced are coach because it is the possible chain reaction hire from the Oregon move that is more likely to effect us.
 
I wonder if Purdue names Olsen will everyone have a melt down?

I will support whoever it is...but I want in order Sumlin, Strong, Miles or Fleck.

If it is someone other than them so be it and I will then have to support it to be a positive alumni, not a whiner.
 
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PU52Chevy said:
I wonder if Purdue names Olsen will everyone have a melt down?

I will support whoever it is...but I want in order Sumlin, Strong, Miles or Fleck.

If it is someone other than them so be it and I will then have to support it to be a positive alumni, not a whiner.
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Yes! If Olson is named HC, then there will be a melt down - and rightfully so. Nothing against him, but he has no HC experience and has had mixed results in the NFL. I'm also not sure how much recruiting he actually did at the college level.
 
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RealVaBoiler said:
Fleck refuses to talk with anyone until MAC championship game completed. However, agent has engaged with Purdue (and others). If Helfrich is released it is because Ducks feel confident in acquiring Fleck. (I believe that has been a goal throughout the season)
Fleck not an unanimous choice for Boilers,
Others in play include Kleinan from FCS NDSU, Brohm from WKU, Calhoun from AF, former Purdue QB coach Olson from the NFL, and Sumlin only if someone wants to take on big bucks buyout.
The good news is that names like Holtz (or, gasp, Charlie) and Miles are not mentioned.
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What is the source on all this? Good stuff.
 
Fan4Life said:
Yes! If Olson is named HC, then there will be a melt down - and rightfully so. Nothing against him, but he has no HC experience and has had mixed results in the NFL. I'm also not sure how much recruiting he actually did at the college level.
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If I remember Chaney was R/C when Olson was here
 
pb1941 said:
If I remember Chaney was R/C when Olson was here
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Olson was RC in 2002 when he came back. He was responsible for recruitment of QBs and a lot of the Pacific NW if memory serves correct. He found Taylor Stubblefield out of Yakima, WA and was pretty big in bringing in Kyle Orton and Brandon Hance who were big QB recruits. That is if memory serves correctly. I am not worried about the guy as a recruiter- he can handle the spotlight.

I could see him bringing in a solid staff. Joel Thomas, current New Orleans Saints RB coach, Taylor Stubblefield, and a few other Offensive guys from the NFL. Defensively, I imagine Lou Anarumo might be a fit to come back after a few years with the Miami Dolphins. He would probably retain Randy Melvin as they were on Tiller staffs together.
 
Indy_Rider said:
Some Duck fans want Fleck, but the one that matters is Phil Knight who has said he's willing to support a $10M per contract for a coach who can deliver a NC. I don't think Fleck is at that level and they are going to be aiming a lot higher.

Look at any current P5 or NFL coach who people think is really good and not making anywhere close to $10M and I think you'll have a good start at a list for what they will be aiming at. Hopefully by the time the dust settles from Oregon, we will already have introduced are coach because it is the possible chain reaction hire from the Oregon move that is more likely to effect us.
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Has Fleck been mentioned for the Baylor job?
 
PU52Chevy said:
I wonder if Purdue names Olsen will everyone have a melt down?

I will support whoever it is...but I want in order Sumlin, Strong, Miles or Fleck.

If it is someone other than them so be it and I will then have to support it to be a positive alumni, not a whiner.
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If it's Olsen, given his loyalty to Purdue in the past, he probably won't stay here long enough for a meltdown to occur.
 
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Olson was RC in 2002 when he came back. He was responsible for recruitment of QBs and a lot of the Pacific NW if memory serves correct. He found Taylor Stubblefield out of Yakima, WA and was pretty big in bringing in Kyle Orton and Brandon Hance who were big QB recruits. That is if memory serves correctly. I am not worried about the guy as a recruiter- he can handle the spotlight.

I could see him bringing in a solid staff. Joel Thomas, current New Orleans Saints RB coach, Taylor Stubblefield, and a few other Offensive guys from the NFL. Defensively, I imagine Lou Anarumo might be a fit to come back after a few years with the Miami Dolphins. He would probably retain Randy Melvin as they were on Tiller staffs together.
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Unless their jobs are in jeopardy i don't see them leaving the NFL to take on this rebuilding project, especially to join a first time head coach. All of Joel's moves were to bigger programs and he's only in his 2nd year with the Saints. He's making too much money and these guys want to win on the big stage. And he doesn't have coordinator experience so what role do you offer? He's a great guy and I'd love to see him back in WL but I don't see it happening. Taylor hasn't had the same success and it would make more sense for him to give it a shot.
 
Olsen was fired as OC in Jax with Bortles,Lee,Robinson,Yeldon et al because they couldn't score and were inefficient in many offensive categories.

No way should he be in the discussion for HC and if he's hired, MBob will have a mutiny on his hands and rightfully so.
 
RegionWarrior101 said:
Fleck has not, but Larry Fedora has. Fedora is from Texas and has coached at Baylor before. Fedora, at UNC, is a hot spot mentioned for the boat rower, tie wearer.
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With the mess at Baylor, Fedora isn't leaving UNC for that. SMU's coach seems to be the hot name for the Baylor job, but that is not an attractive job right now with the mass recruit defection and the dark cloud hanging around that program.
 
PU92 said:
Unless their jobs are in jeopardy i don't see them leaving the NFL to take on this rebuilding project, especially to join a first time head coach. All of Joel's moves were to bigger programs and he's only in his 2nd year with the Saints. He's making too much money and these guys want to win on the big stage. And he doesn't have coordinator experience so what role do you offer? He's a great guy and I'd love to see him back in WL but I don't see it happening. Taylor hasn't had the same success and it would make more sense for him to give it a shot.
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I figured Joel be the OC in title with Olson overseeing the game plan. Kind of like a Kevin Wilson at IU. KW has a heavy hand in the play calling. We will see. Just ideas.
 
If Purdue is able to hire Fleck, it will likely be toward the middle to end of next week. That is unless, a deal is already in the works. Seems hard to believe since he hasn't even been interviewed. If I'm hiring a guy, I've gotta be able to sit in the room with him and judge his character and drive. I don't think it's Les Miles or Kevin Sumlin. Dan Mullen is making $4 mil plus already, so it's not him. My best guess, it will be one of the guys below. I think all would be terrific for Purdue.

Troy Calhoun - Just wins football games
Pat Narduzzi - Helped rebuild MSU and has had good success at Pitt
Matt Rhule - Has built Temple back up and won big games
Craig Bohl - Just feels like a good Tiller-type hire
Jeff Brohm - Great offense, likely sees this as a good step forward to his career

If it's Spack or Olson, I'll be thoroughly disappointed. Mostly because I'd like to see a non-Purdue ties hire.
 
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mightypurdue22 said:
If Purdue is able to hire Fleck, it will likely be toward the middle to end of next week. That is unless, a deal is already in the works. Seems hard to believe since he hasn't even been interviewed. If I'm hiring a guy, I've gotta be able to sit in the room with him and judge his character and drive. I don't think it's Les Miles or Kevin Sumlin. Dan Mullen is making $4 mil plus already, so it's not him. My best guess, it will be one of the guys below. I think all would be terrific for Purdue.

Troy Calhoun - Just wins football games
Pat Narduzzi - Helped rebuild MSU and has had good success at Pitt
Matt Rhule - Has built Temple back up and won big games
Craig Bohl - Just feels like a good Tiller-type hire
Jeff Brohm - Great offense, likely sees this as a good step forward to his career

If it's Spack or Olson, I'll be thoroughly disappointed. Mostly because I'd like to see a non-Purdue ties hire.
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Great Post, either Calhoun or Brohm. On a side note, CJ Hayes was visiting Miss St and he's from BG Ky. if we get Brohm, that should keep Hayes from visiting other schools.
 
mightypurdue22 said:
If Purdue is able to hire Fleck, it will likely be toward the middle to end of next week. That is unless, a deal is already in the works. Seems hard to believe since he hasn't even been interviewed. If I'm hiring a guy, I've gotta be able to sit in the room with him and judge his character and drive. I don't think it's Les Miles or Kevin Sumlin. Dan Mullen is making $4 mil plus already, so it's not him. My best guess, it will be one of the guys below. I think all would be terrific for Purdue.

Troy Calhoun - Just wins football games
Pat Narduzzi - Helped rebuild MSU and has had good success at Pitt
Matt Rhule - Has built Temple back up and won big games
Craig Bohl - Just feels like a good Tiller-type hire
Jeff Brohm - Great offense, likely sees this as a good step forward to his career

If it's Spack or Olson, I'll be thoroughly disappointed. Mostly because I'd like to see a non-Purdue ties hire.
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Olson is a real stretch, IMO. Both his journeyman career and lack of head coaching experience don't inspire confidence in his ability to do a ground-up rebuild.

I could probably get behind Spack ---- IF ---- Purdue first made serious overtures to more established candidates who then turned PU down.

I know the fan base would be underwhelmed. I don't think that either ticket sales or recruiting would enjoy much of a bump. But, I do think Stash is a fundamentally sound coach who knows what he's doing and would be serious about rebuilding Purdue. While he's no home run, my bet is he'd be better than DH1 and light years better than DH2.
 
swboiler93 said:
Olsen was fired as OC in Jax with Bortles,Lee,Robinson,Yeldon et al because they couldn't score and were inefficient in many offensive categories.

No way should he be in the discussion for HC and if he's hired, MBob will have a mutiny on his hands and rightfully so.
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Not to mention that the team has looked incredibly better since he left.
 
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Olson was RC in 2002 when he came back. He was responsible for recruitment of QBs and a lot of the Pacific NW if memory serves correct. He found Taylor Stubblefield out of Yakima, WA and was pretty big in bringing in Kyle Orton and Brandon Hance who were big QB recruits. That is if memory serves correctly. I am not worried about the guy as a recruiter- he can handle the spotlight.

I could see him bringing in a solid staff. Joel Thomas, current New Orleans Saints RB coach, Taylor Stubblefield, and a few other Offensive guys from the NFL. Defensively, I imagine Lou Anarumo might be a fit to come back after a few years with the Miami Dolphins. He would probably retain Randy Melvin as they were on Tiller staffs together.
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If any of this is correct about him recruiting the Pacific Northwest, and being the guy that recruited Stubblefield and Hance, than he must have been the dumbass who sent Aaron Rodgers the letter in 2002 when he was R/C (Rodgers' Sr Year in HS was 2002). The letter said “Good luck with your attempt at a college football career,” after he’d mailed the Boilermakers his high school tape. He's kept it as motivation since, according to Rodgers. Rodgers was admittedly small in stature coming out of HS. But you'd think a guy that coached a small QB already (Brees) would overlook that part.
 
Travisty13 said:
If any of this is correct about him recruiting the Pacific Northwest, and being the guy that recruited Stubblefield and Hance, than he must have been the dumbass who sent Aaron Rodgers the letter in 2002 when he was R/C (Rodgers' Sr Year in HS was 2002). The letter said “Good luck with your attempt at a college football career,” after he’d mailed the Boilermakers his high school tape. He's kept it as motivation since, according to Rodgers. Rodgers was admittedly small in stature coming out of HS. But you'd think a guy that coached a small QB already (Brees) would overlook that part.
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It was either Blaine Bennett or Chaney. Bennett was the QB coach that year and Chaney was the recruiting coordinator.
 
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If any of this is correct about him recruiting the Pacific Northwest, and being the guy that recruited Stubblefield and Hance, than he must have been the dumbass who sent Aaron Rodgers the letter in 2002 when he was R/C (Rodgers' Sr Year in HS was 2002). The letter said “Good luck with your attempt at a college football career,” after he’d mailed the Boilermakers his high school tape. He's kept it as motivation since, according to Rodgers. Rodgers was admittedly small in stature coming out of HS. But you'd think a guy that coached a small QB already (Brees) would overlook that part.
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That letter was sent during the 2001-02 season. Olson was not at Purdue that year - He was on the Niners staff.
 
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PU52Chevy said:
I wonder if Purdue names Olsen will everyone have a melt down?

I will support whoever it is...but I want in order Sumlin, Strong, Miles or Fleck.

If it is someone other than them so be it and I will then have to support it to be a positive alumni, not a whiner.
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Why would you want Sumlin or Strong? I can understand Miles as I want him too, but have no love for Fleck who reminds me so much of Tom Crean.
 
TwinDegrees2 said:
Why would you want Sumlin or Strong? I can understand Miles as I want him too, but have no love for Fleck who reminds me so much of Tom Crean.
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Who do you want? I've read where you have bashed about every candidate. Who do you think is a good fit and would accept the job?
 
mightypurdue22 said:
If Purdue is able to hire Fleck, it will likely be toward the middle to end of next week. That is unless, a deal is already in the works. Seems hard to believe since he hasn't even been interviewed. If I'm hiring a guy, I've gotta be able to sit in the room with him and judge his character and drive. I don't think it's Les Miles or Kevin Sumlin. Dan Mullen is making $4 mil plus already, so it's not him. My best guess, it will be one of the guys below. I think all would be terrific for Purdue.

Troy Calhoun - Just wins football games
Pat Narduzzi - Helped rebuild MSU and has had good success at Pitt
Matt Rhule - Has built Temple back up and won big games
Craig Bohl - Just feels like a good Tiller-type hire
Jeff Brohm - Great offense, likely sees this as a good step forward to his career

If it's Spack or Olson, I'll be thoroughly disappointed. Mostly because I'd like to see a non-Purdue ties hire.
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Olson would probably be the one who could bring in the best coordinators. That is the key to the best head coach being hiring his supporting cast and best being able to recruit. Olson could walk into a kids house and define his path to the NFL better than most. He is also a very good speaker and can relate to kids from his vast experience.
 
TwinDegrees2 said:
Why would you want Sumlin or Strong? I can understand Miles as I want him too, but have no love for Fleck who reminds me so much of Tom Crean.
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IMO I like Sumlin's style and how he relates to his players and how he can now recruit the Midwest and Texas...that's very attractive to me because we need someone who can recruit. (Also a Boiler which is not a defining factor, but I am pro Purdue so even better if a Purdue alum is our coach IMO)

The same for Strong...good players coach and has contacts in Midwest and Texas or south.....that will be needed in next head coach at Purdue.....

Recruiting and being able to please our whiny alumni is key.....I think both Sumlin and Strong can do that........Miles will piss off more people because of his set ways.....

Whoever we hire I will support but want player coaches not an alumni ass kisser......
 
Travisty13 said:
If any of this is correct about him recruiting the Pacific Northwest, and being the guy that recruited Stubblefield and Hance, than he must have been the dumbass who sent Aaron Rodgers the letter in 2002 when he was R/C (Rodgers' Sr Year in HS was 2002). The letter said “Good luck with your attempt at a college football career,” after he’d mailed the Boilermakers his high school tape. He's kept it as motivation since, according to Rodgers. Rodgers was admittedly small in stature coming out of HS. But you'd think a guy that coached a small QB already (Brees) would overlook that part.
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You also have to understand that Purdue was already in god standing with the #1 pocket passer in the country at the time....a guy by the name of Kyle Orton. Orton has pretty much assured the coaching staff he was coming to Purdue. In all fairness...would you take the #1 pocket passer in the country who stood over 6'4 and weighed 220 pounds coming out of high school...or Aaron Rogers? Sorry, but my money would have been on Orton every single day...and in fact, Orton was arguably the better QB most of the time in college as well. Orton also could have been a damn good NFL QB if the Bears weren't the Bears and stuck with him and let him sling the ball around. Orton made a killing essentially being a backup/gun for hire.
 
JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
You also have to understand that Purdue was already in god standing with the #1 pocket passer in the country at the time....a guy by the name of Kyle Orton. Orton has pretty much assured the coaching staff he was coming to Purdue. In all fairness...would you take the #1 pocket passer in the country who stood over 6'4 and weighed 220 pounds coming out of high school...or Aaron Rogers? Sorry, but my money would have been on Orton every single day...and in fact, Orton was arguably the better QB most of the time in college as well. Orton also could have been a damn good NFL QB if the Bears weren't the Bears and stuck with him and let him sling the ball around. Orton made a killing essentially being a backup/gun for hire.
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Orton was in a class 2 years before Rodgers. And Joe Mauer was the #1 QB in Orton's class. He was the best football player and baseball player in the country. And Tom Lemming had Orton at #13 for QB.
 
Indy_Rider said:
Yeah, I don't think Miles is in play, but if he has the staff he claims to, I think that puts him in play for higher jobs.
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I dont see him ending up anywhere big. My guess is Baylor gets Dykes, Oregon gets Mullen or Fleck.

What other openings are there?
 
nat100 said:
I dont see him ending up anywhere big. My guess is Baylor gets Dykes, Oregon gets Mullen or Fleck.

What other openings are there?
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That exact question smacked me across the face earlier today. The external environment is about as ideal as Purdue could possibly hope for in a football coaching search this off-season.

LSU was the biggest opening and they offered Orgeron pretty quick. Herman was the biggest name rumored that could be poached, and Texas snatched him up quick. Purdue has been a complete dumpster fire the past few years and it might still be the 3rd best program looking for a coach right now! (behind Oregon and Baylor at least). Houston is open, but its believed that SMU coach is their prize (a guy that I don't believe Purdue had any interest in anyway). There are a LOT of good - maybe not great - guys that Purdue should be able to easily woo.

As you alluded to, what else is there? aside from Oregon and Baylor, who does Purdue really have to beat out right now?
 
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