I don't think weatherford ever came in thinking he would play from day one. I never said every kid on the roster would get playing time. Not sure what that had to do with anything I said. I also highly doubt he receives no playing time until Junior or senior year. He will play some this year and next, although probably less than 5 minutes per game this year.
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Pj is essentially another shooting guard if you think about it. He doesn't really ever cross inside the 3point line and most of his shots come from being left open when teams double down.
Neal is a completely different type of player....the type of aggressive player we need that will make our offense better. When Vince and Ray were attacking with penetration, our offense was way more dynamic. Neal would bring that ability to attack because of his size and skill. We need an ultra aggressive point guard...that's what wins in college basketball these days.
The type of player who averaged 3.3 turnovers a game last season which was more than anyone on our turnover-plagued team.
The type of player who shot 35.0% from the field which was worse than any player in our regular rotation at the end of the season.
The type of player who shot 32.7% from 3 which was worse than any player in our regular rotation at the end of the season that shot them regularly except for Swanigan who was below 30%.
I'm not sure I'd make that trade off unless I thought he could be a more efficient player at Purdue than he was at New Mexico.
By the way, he's visiting Mississippi today.
Don't disagree with the sentiment, but come on, Weatherford and OJ Anunoby are night and day different with respect to taking a chance on someone.
Never mind, it is not as if Purdue/Painter had not already done the same thing with Cline, Taylor and Thompson...one thing to do it with a kid, another to do it with three or four...it is precisely what led into the previous lean recruiting years and subsequent bad seasons.
How Guy got away I will never understand, as he should have been THE target of any of those guys mentioned.
You have to factor in that he was essentially there primary playmaker and scoring threat that other teams were trying to shut down....and he was only a sophomore...so he had to do quite a bit. He wouldn't have to do that for Purdue because he would be surrounded by 4 other guys that are also threats that you couldn't leave open. They played at a faster pace. You can't just look at numbers and say PJ is better when PJ shoots 3-5 shots per game, rarely makes an attempt to make a play... and Neal took 10-20 shots per game while being the primary playmaker....playing for his dad....probably not worried about getting benched. He would clearly have to be more efficient in Painters system...and he would because he wouldn't have to be launching 10-20 shots a game like he did at NM.
Blows my mind people would pass on him in order to play PJ....or are worried about saving scholarships for potential recruits 2 years from now. Neal is a proven commodity, he's already 22 years old and Painter isn't worried about 2 years from now...
Blows my mind people would pass on him in order to play PJ....or are worried about saving scholarships for potential recruits 2 years from now. Neal is a proven commodity, he's already 22 years old and Painter isn't worried about 2 years from now...
When Kyle Guy was recruited we still had Bryson Scott who Amy thought would become the number one PG. plus have you ever been to UVA? Really nice campus, strong conference, excellent school. Cline was recruited as a two guard and was ranked. As to Taylor I liked what I've seen so far, he is just buried on a talented frontline with Hammons, Haas, Swanigan and Edwards. Still I think he can ball just like OG with half a chance to get some pt.
Thompson was recruited precisely because we didn't get the others like McIntosh et al. Plus Guy was a target, we just didn't get him.
Which is the primary reason that Purdue should not take him...first, he does not solve Purdue's problems at the PG position (short-term or long-term), who knows what the impact is on team chemistry, and having the scholarship to use for the absolutely loaded '17 class is far more valuable (assuming of course Purdue/Painter is capable of landing someone with it).
Rather than constantly chasing unicorns, why not just successfully recruit some talented guys on the front end and develop them...that recipe seems to work at most other places.
The PG position has been an issue for three years now...and while Edwards sounds as if he is a talented kid, yet again, he is not a PG...so Purdue will once again be attempting to address the known issue and resolve the problem by pounding a square peg into a round hole (ala Bryson Scott...here is hoping it works out better this time, but I won't be holding my breath).
But Guy is not a PG, nor will he be in college...and he is a far better player than Cline as well. He should have been a primary target, not simply a target...and while I have been to UVA and don't disagree with what you said about it and the situation there, it is just another example of a local kid getting away, and more importantly, precisely the type and caliber of local kid that a school like Purdue cannot let get away if it is genuinely trying to compete on a national level.
I disagree on Taylor...if Swanigan is not back, we will have a chance to see certainly, but if he was anywhere near as talented as OG, he would have got minutes this year...maybe not a ton of them, but he would have got them.
I don't know if he had to be that type of player at New Mexico or if he wanted to be that type of player at New Mexico. What is he seeking in the transfer? A winning, NCAA tournament team that he can add to or does he want to average 20 ppg and be the man? If I knew it was the former or if it were for only one year I'd be inclined to take the chance but all I have to go on is the type of player he was at New Mexico and personally I wouldn't give out a 2017 scholarship for that player. Obviously Painter would have an opportunity to talk to him and judge that before he would take him on.
exactly, Neal will certainly get the minutes (demand the minutes even). As long as his father is not patched into the MOLLENKOPF ATHLETIC CENTER with Closed-Circuit TV.
I think we heard similar things about Sporty and trying to do too much before we signed him for a year. I never saw it when he was here. Greener pastures I guess.
So much changes from now to 2017. Painter might not even still be at Purdue by then...guys could transfer out...etc. I don't think it makes any sense to worry about future scholarships. These next 2 years with Haas, Edwards, Edwards, Cline, Mathias, Biggie might be the last chance in a while that we have a really talented roster. Why not capitalize with a much needed type of player now...instead of worrying about future scholarships? The dude is definitely cocky/confident (something Purdue probably needs), but Painter won't put up with anything that he thinks doesn't jive with what he is trying to do...nor would he bring him in if he thought he was going to be a problem. Adding him to the mix takes the pressure off of Carsen and I believe would give us a better chance to strike while the iron is hot with the talent we have returning.
I can't believe for a second (especially after playing at Mackey against Purdue last year) that he would be thinking he was going to come to Purdue and need to be the man to score 20 per game. Not to mention he has the benefit of his dad being the coach, who is definitely going to shoot him straight.
I think if people on here had seen him play more, they wouldn't be thinking twice about the potential he would bring to Purdue. We don't have anybody like him on the roster and he fits exactly what we need.
This is a pasting from the other thread on transfers.
I saw the New Mexico game. If we can get Cullen Neal, especially for two years, we should jump on that with both feet. We talk about our guards not be offensive threats and not able to break down defenses late in the shot clock; well, he would solve that problem as soon as he started playing and for two years. I didn't notice in earlier posts. Would he be eligible right away? Who out in 2017, comparedsto a coach's son, can offer all that Neal can offensively and with the other intangibles? This seems like a absolute no brainer. Plus the thing about 2017, we have the talent now, but need an offensive threat at the point. Also, in 11 years, Painter has gotten two top-50 players from Indiana. Let's get what we can get now if he will come here.
I saw the New Mexico game. If we can get Cullen Neal, especially for two years, we should jump on that with both feet. We talk about our guards not be offensive threats and not able to break down defenses late in the shot clock; well, he would solve that problem as soon as he started playing and for two years. I didn't notice in earlier posts. Would he be eligible right away? Who out in 2017, comparedsto a coach's son, can offer all that Neal can offensively and with the other intangibles? This seems like a absolute no brainer. Plus the thing about 2017, we have the talent now, but need an offensive threat at the point. Also, in 11 years, Painter has gotten two top-50 players from Indiana. Let's get what we can get now if he will come here.
I can solve this argument very simply. Do you posters think Cullen Neal is better or worse then Johnny Hill? I say better. If better then Hill then YES you take him. He can play this coming season and you get 2 years out of him. I did see he visited Ole Miss last week. I saw that Purdue - New Mex game and Cullen looked pretty good.
As for the death threats at New Mexico. After that came out Cullen got a standing ovation from the home crowd. New Mexico if anyone remembers under Alford had a string of early tourney losses. New Mexico was a trendy Final 4 pick as a #3 seed Alford's last year in 2014. New Mexico lost to Ivy League champ #14 seed In 1st rd. The fans were PO'd much like Purdue fans this year. Alford left for UCLA and now UCLA fans want him out already. Alford's buddy and asst coach took over. New Mexico and Cullen struggled down stretch. Fans took their anger out on Cullen evidently.
This is what could happen to Purdue's program if fans don't cool down. As I have posted several times. If you believe Painter will not succeed going forward. Then he only has a few years left. I hope Painter can succeed going forward. Painter has established recruiting ties. Do you really want to get rid of Painter bringing in an outsider with 2017 considered a great recruiting class?
As for the death threats at New Mexico. After that came out Cullen got a standing ovation from the home crowd. New Mexico if anyone remembers under Alford had a string of early tourney losses. New Mexico was a trendy Final 4 pick as a #3 seed Alford's last year in 2014. New Mexico lost to Ivy League champ #14 seed In 1st rd. The fans were PO'd much like Purdue fans this year. Alford left for UCLA and now UCLA fans want him out already. Alford's buddy and asst coach took over. New Mexico and Cullen struggled down stretch. Fans took their anger out on Cullen evidently.
This is what could happen to Purdue's program if fans don't cool down. As I have posted several times. If you believe Painter will not succeed going forward. Then he only has a few years left. I hope Painter can succeed going forward. Painter has established recruiting ties. Do you really want to get rid of Painter bringing in an outsider with 2017 considered a great recruiting class?
