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[TopSecretBoiler]

That's your understanding. But, please don't be insulted if I don't accept your biblical scholarship over 2,000 years of Church teaching.

Well buddy go look up the original translations. Go look up what real scholars have to say about it. Don't take my word for it, but I will sit here and laugh and expose nonsense as such!

 

[TOKenBoiler]

Are you really making the argument that the Catholic Church never changes? Wow. I didn't say anything about opinion polls. I said that just like any other entity the Catholic Church kinda wants adherents, and given the OVERWHELMINGLY pro-gay attitudes of millennials not in just this country but elsewhere, and the likelihood that their children will also have those attitudes, the CC will either adopt those attitudes to some extent (as Pope Francis clearly has begun to do) or they become more and more irrelevant. I'm banking on the CC being a reasonable entity that wants to increase/maintain their relevance, not decline it, particularly for something that doesn't even rate much of a mention in the NT.

You don't understand much about the Church then. Do you know what Mass attendance is in Europe? In the US? Do you know the state of vocations in Europe and the US? If the Church were interested in "adherents" whatever the cost, it's doing a piss poor job.

Moreover, if all the Church did was act as a weather vane, all that talk in the Gospel about being reviled and persecuted for following Christ would be pretty meaningless. As Venerable Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen put it:

The Catholic Church never suits the particular mood of any age, because it was made for all ages. A Catholic knows that if the Church married the mood of any age in which it lived, it would be a widow in the next age. The mark of the true Church is that it will never get on well with the passing moods of the world. “I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” (Jn 15:19.)

 

[TOKenBoiler]

Well buddy go look up the original translations. Go look up what real scholars have to say about it. Don't take my word for it, but I will sit here and laugh and expose nonsense as such!

Pretty sure I have read "real" scholars, thanks.

 

[terminalg92]

You don't understand much about the Church then. Do you know what Mass attendance is in Europe? In the US? Do you know the state of vocations in Europe and the US? If the Church were interested in "adherents" whatever the cost, it's doing a piss poor job.

It is an error in logic to suggest that declining mass attendance and vocations are evidence that the Catholic Church hasn't changed, because of course the counterfactual is that mass attendance and vocations could be even worse had there been no changes. It's not that the Church is changing "whatever the cost", but it is definitely changing, and always has. That would not be a controversial point among Catholic theologians or historians.

Advances in science continuously force the Church to change. So does advancement in secular morality, which is continually refined and improved. Cultural norms evolve. So while it is usually many decades behind, the Church does usually eventually change to better adapt to modern society, but with every change it makes it gets harder and harder to reconcile its current doctrine with its underlying primitive ancient texts, which are of course static, for better or worse.

 

[TOKenBoiler]

It is an error in logic to suggest that declining mass attendance and vocations are evidence that the Catholic Church hasn't changed, because of course the counterfactual is that mass attendance and vocations could be even worse had there been no changes. It's not that the Church is changing "whatever the cost", but it is definitely changing, and always has. That would not be a controversial point among Catholic theologians or historians.

Advances in science continuously force the Church to change. So does advancement in secular morality, which is continually refined and improved. Cultural norms evolve. So while it is usually many decades behind, the Church does usually eventually change to better adapt to modern society, but with every change it makes it gets harder and harder to reconcile its current doctrine with its underlying primitive ancient texts, which are of course static, for better or worse.

OK. Ya know what. I'm gonna let you non-believers hash this out. Apparently, you're the real experts on the Catholic Church.

 

[qazplm]

OK. Ya know what. I'm gonna let you non-believers hash this out. Apparently, you're the real experts on the Catholic Church.

are you seriously arguing that the Catholic Church has NEVER changed? That it is the EXACT same church with the EXACT same teachings today as in 1900 as in 1800 as in 200?

 

[threeeputtt]

OK. Ya know what. I'm gonna let you non-believers hash this out. Apparently, you're the real experts on the Catholic Church.

I have discovered some posters are above us and we are below them because they are more intelligent? Plus I guess we are not tolerant if we disagree. We don't understand the difference between opinion, using judgement and judging others fate in the future. Oops did I say that? LOL

 

[qazplm]

I have discovered some posters are above us and we are below them because they are more intelligent? Plus I guess we are not tolerant if we disagree. We don't understand the difference between opinion, using judgement and judging others fate in the future. Oops did I say that? LOL

oh so nobly put upon are thee.