K. Embery Top 5
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That's an awesome graphic. Is he an art major? Gary McQuay (RIP) majored in art at Purdue and did some great stuff.
Looks like the other options are quite a bit closer to home, but Purdue looks like the best program of the 5 by far.
I'm guessing that Steve Lutz had been in contact with him prior to leaving Creighton.
Also interesting that there are four Purdue logos on there and only one from each of the other four schools.
That's to represent the shell zone defense we are implementing...
gah...so hard to resist!
those multiple logos (and one being the old train) made me laugh after reading about bobinski's desire for a clearer strategy in marketing/branding
redundancy (shell and zone)
The shell is the zone part of the man to man defense that is hidden from some views
I don't see this as either a great fit for us or for him. He's behind Eastern and Sasha here, and not a great talent-fit. It looks like both Nebraska and Houston have a need that he might fill.
It's a double-positive .... similar to "I can't never see me being a ____" .... which really means that person does see himself being a "whatever."redundancy (shell and zone)
Someone has to do it. At 1 and 2, we've got Edwards, Cline, Eastern and Sasha, with Ewing and Wheeler at 3. Embery is a 2-star 6' 3", 175. Barring injury, where does he fit?
At 4 and 5, we have Taylor, Haarms, ????, and ???.
Just seems to me a focus on 4 and 5 may be the need. Not that I doubt at all the CMP knows all this far better than I do.
He is a four star on rivals and 247. I don't know anything about his game.. what about his game puts him behind the others? I also see Ewing and Wheeler playing a lot of 4. IMO can't have too many good guards in college bb.
He is listed as a PG
Consider the possibility he ends up better than Eastern .....(don't think Sasha is playing PG anytime soon)
Or at least consider the possibility he makes the team better as a major backup to Eastern & CE where he plays 10-20 mpg @ backing up both guard spots.
Other PG's in the same class with Purdue mentions: Jaelin Llewellyn, Robert Phinisee, Tyler Harris, Neftali Alverez
At 4-star, I would re-evaluate. What puts him behind the others is at least a year of B1G play and SKINNY. As a solid player in years 2 or 3, OK ... I'm not against him as much as I would sure like to see a couple of PFs coming into view.
I did not see him as a PG. I might reconsider if he can play PG defense. As I said before, guards are great, until they have to play forward because we don't have any. I did not see him as a 4-star nor a PG ... if he is, then that changes things. He's still got more than a year of weights to play B1g, which is OK too ...
He's a 4-star and his best offers other than us are Creighton, Nebraska, Houston and Tulsa? OK, well, maybe OK .... am I missing something, or are the other top teams missing something???
Verbalcommits has him being recruited as a SG
Verbalcommits has him being recruited as a SG
And we've got what, five schollies (minimum) to fill in the '18 class? I don't see less than 2 of those being guards. If we can pick up a good one no reason to wait for PFs to commit first.
As in Carmody and Hunter? or Phinisee, Carmody, and Hunter .... and one 4/5 ... to go with Haarms and Taylor and ?????
OK< so, we would go into the '18 class with Haarms, Taylor, and whoever fills Biggies. Then Cline, Ewing, Edwards, Eastern, Sasha, and Wheeler. Spread them wherever you want to. 3 to fill 4/5 and 6 to fill 1/2/3 with Carmody and someone (Hunter, Phinisee, ???) making it 8 to fill 1/2/3 and 11 scholarships filled. If Embery is better than Carmody or Hunter, then go for it. I don't see evidence that he is.
We're hoping for Hauser, Johns and Dowuna, or some replacements for them. That would be 14 scholarships without Embery. And SURE, a bird in the hand is better, and there are no guarantees in life .....
What are the odds we get both Carmody and Hunter? My hunch is best case we get one of the two for SG spot and maybe one of the two between Phinisee and Embery for PG spot.
OK<, I won't dispute that ... I do suspect that Embery committing will cause someone we really want to re-prioritize us. But I know that CMP knows how that works a lot better than I do. Getting two as you suggest puts us at 8 guard scholarships without Phinisee or ?Hunter/Carmody?. I'm still figuring we can easily play Eastern or Carson at PG.
Is it out of plane in that view? That would explain a lot.redundancy (shell and zone)
MIT is developing a new version of basketball ... in 4D ... everyone wears goggles and occupies a different spot in 3d and then in 4d.Is it out of plane in that view? That would explain a lot.
reminds me of 8th grade where my history teacher that had study hall would allow chess to be played and had a 3d chess board...two high
Ok, the guy is a combo PG//SG. he also seems to be another lutz recruit as painter usually starts recruiting players at earlier stages. Does he fill a need ? NO ! But I guess, we have 5 scholarships to give, so 1-2 of them should be guards. The one thing I caution is the timing of the signing . I don't want to sign him before Carmody. and honestly, of Carmody, Phinesee and hunter, I'm not sure which player is the best fit. Sometimes the highest ranked athlete is not the best fit. nobody wanted Bowen despite his high ranking.
This recruitment begs the question - are Lultz and Painter working together out of the same play book? I would rather see two coaches going strong after the same player than see two coaches making offers to different people in two different directions. if Painter already has 5-8 guards interested, do we really need to add to that mix? Wouldn't lultz' recruiting skills, talents and time be better suited going after forwards and centers? or vice versa? Rather than both coaches continuing to gather more guards? I criticized Hazell for signing 6 dbs in one class. this seems very similar.
I also hate using guards as small forwards. and using small forwards as power forwards, ad playing small ball in general. If you want to recruit elite players, let them play the position they are most likely to play in the pros. if they are 6'6 and a PG, let them remain a PG. Don't try moving them to SF to give them playing time.
This recruitment begs the question - are Lultz and Painter working together out of the same play book? I would rather see two coaches going strong after the same player than see two coaches making offers to different people in two different directions. if Painter already has 5-8 guards interested, do we really need to add to that mix? Wouldn't lultz' recruiting skills, talents and time be better suited going after forwards and centers? or vice versa? Rather than both coaches continuing to gather more guards? I criticized Hazell for signing 6 dbs in one class. this seems very similar.
I also hate using guards as small forwards. and using small forwards as power forwards, ad playing small ball in general. If you want to recruit elite players, let them play the position they are most likely to play in the pros. if they are 6'6 and a PG, let them remain a PG. Don't try moving them to SF to give them playing time.
Agree. You have to cast a wide net. 2018 could be a 5 scholly class. Ideally you want 1-2 guards, a true center, and 2 or 3 forwards.
For the guards, I would love Carmody or Hunter, but you can't wait on them to decide before you start offering other guys.
Other than a search on You Tube, I know nothing about Embory. What I do see is a a basketball player that knows how to get buckets from deep and off the dribble. He might not have great offers, but you need guys that are wired to score. I like the offer.
I think that, like Carsen, he has fewer offers than he might otherwise because he isn't a true point guard, but I think that a scoring point guard can be plugged into Painter's system as long as he is willing to be patient and move the ball. From what I saw in the videos, he looks like he could be a great asset for Purdue. I would love to see Painter land a backcourt of Embery and Carmody as part of a five man class. Those two are big/long enough that switching one through four could be a very effective tactic late in the shot clock.
That could have been where I taught 8th grade history and had chess club before school. Created a four sided, team chess game with black, white, red, green pieces. Three extra ranks on each of the four sides of the main board. Took turns clockwise and battle strategy could be plotted away from the board. Or it could be played one vs three.reminds me of 8th grade where my history teacher that had study hall would allow chess to be played and had a 3d chess board...two high
This is why basing a player's worth on how many stars he has next to his name sometimes makes no sense. Painter has apparently evaluated him and determined that he is a talented player who can help Purdue. When he was a 2-star, many of the rating "experts" probably had not seen him. Was he a worse player when he was a 2-star than he is as a 4-star? Of course not. That's why, this early in the recruiting process at least, people should trust the coaching staff more than the stars.
Even late the coaches are better than the stars because they are looking at many more things than the assigners of star power
