You are so wrong about voter laws. BTW....what's your feeling about ARMED black panthers in front of a Philly voting facility?
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Do you believe athletics, politics, employment, and other things should reflect the population?
What you do is make people think negatively, my perspective at least..............last fall an example after reading your constant whining. Im walking across the drive to get into grocery, Black dude in work clothes my age ahead of me sees to quarters laying picks them up I was if he walked passed . For a moment I thought should I say what I wanted to say or think what people like BNIs opinion. I smiled said to the effect of why not? He turned around laughing ...............Id have said the same thing B or W but after thought . I worked with a guy yrs ago . Curtis, he didnt know anything about construction, got hired by the guy I was subcontracting for outside the courthouse when they were both there, Curtis had a DUI so he couldnt drive. So long story we were working in Cass County MI . Curtis was from Elkhart but living in Cass..........no questions guy gave him a job and he was a good worker . He played basketball at E Central and was good 10 yrs older than me , we used to play occasionally with two other white guys in the barn we worked out of and he just laughed killing us all. We all got along. I would end up giving him rides home some days. He would tell stories and be like its a black thing ! Give my shoulder a smack and laugh. One day were were pouring concrete in a basement that was frozen. The guy I was working for was a disaster and we were knee depp in pumped concrete and the redneck guy running the concrete pumper started yelling at "the boy over there'' . Curtis was like 38 , I stopped and told him , his name is Curtis . I didn't have to stop and think about it, I just said it. I saw Curtis's eyes when it was said initially and I saw his eyes when he looked at me and nodded . We worked together another 6 months or so off and on. We always had gotten along, nothing was ever said about that but I sensed the respect. We all got along it was a ragtag crew. My point after all of that we al knew we were different , could laugh about some stupid stuff when he was killing us playing basketball, some black slang that was about funny stuff no one putting anyone down . I see you as someone trying to make anything a white person thinks or says as racism. I knew damn well when the guy called Curtis a ''boy'' what he meant and I took care of it right there but it isnt always as cut and dried.
What voter suppression laws are those? The ones where voters have to show a picture ID to vote?
Please explain how that suppresses the Black vote?
If I were Black and the Dems said that Black votes were suppressed by requiring an ID to vote, I'd be pissed, because they apparently think I'm too freaking stupid to get an ID.
I always wondered how all those Black people were legally driving on the streets & hiways without Drivers Licenses and all those Blacks, who were in the Military weren't issued an ID card. WOW, that is discrimination.
It started out that way back after the 2009 election. It's not just about voter ID anymore. The various laws enacted on several states restrict voting on Sundays where a lot blacks enjoyed voting right after church. These laws removes drop boxes from the urban areas and address boxes to the turn ask areas. Restricted absentee voting. Restricted drive by voting. Restricted early voting etc. The repubs basically restricted all of the voting methods that blacks and the dems used to vote. Where the repubs mostly enjoy voting in person. In Texas you can use your gun license to vote. However, college student ID's are allowed.
That is ignorant to imply that the dems are the ones saying black votes are suppressed. Blacks themselves are the ones saying this. Prior to the 2008 election there were a lot blacks, particularly in the larger cities that did not have a picture ID for various reasons and were still allowed to vote perhaps by signatures. A lot of the elderly who don't drive anymore don't have IDs. Knowing this, the repub strategists to their credit saw this as an opportunity to restrict the votes in future elections.
It doesn't take much to swing an election. A few disenfranchised voters here, a few there is all it takes to win a precinct or 2.
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I guess I'll have to wait for the 2100 election to see how this works out.
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2097? You must have a time machine.
It's more ignorant to say that the Dems are not the ones saying Black votes are suppressed. They know they aren't. What they're trying to do is have no accountability in voting, so they can institute "Vote Early and Vote Often."
It's amazing how we used to all vote on election day for well over a Century. If you couldn't vote on election day, you could get an absentee ballot and mail it in. We knew who the President was on the night of the election.
Now, we have some states voting up to two months before election day. Why? Because Dems try to extend the voting period as long as possible. Why? The simple answer is it allows the Dems to load people into busses and have them vote in multiple precincts, under multiple fictitious identities, where they do NOT have to show identification to vote. Amazing how the pieces fit together.
That's also why Dems are such strong advocates of shotgunning mail in ballots to everyone in the country - living or dead. They can set the ballot scanners, which match signatures to samples on record, anywhere from 0% to 100%. There were precincts in the last election, where they were set at 20%, which is a very low bar to get over. Almost any scribble would be acceptable.
That's also why the Dems like the ballot drop boxes. Someone is going to pick up those ballots and if a number of those ballots voted the wrong way and they disappeared, who would ever know.
The Dems have a long and proud history of political corruption and stealing elections. Chicago in the Boss Daley years was a prime example. There's a reason the Dems owned that City. I suspect that they're a lot more skillful at it now.
Bottom line, it's fair for everyone, if we had a week to vote and you had to present an identification. There is NO ONE, who can't get an ID. If you weren't available to vote then, request an absentee ballot and vote that way. Every LEGAL vote should count, regardless of race.
Which one of these voter integrity laws says “black voters” in it?
Sounds to me like all voters, black, white, brown, etc will be required to follow them.
If voting is important, you comply with the rules. if it’s not, you won’t.
I told you several times, racism nowadays is more subtle and abstract in most cases. Jom Crow died in 1965. His more sophisticated cousin, James Crow Esquire is alive and well.
Racism isn't based on power, it's based on someone's thoughts and beliefs. And when you let it enter your thought process, you're allowing it to be your crutch.
As to your last sentence......And precincts where Trump amazingly didn't get one single vote. Those same precincts where the armed black panthers stood at the entrance in Philly and other areas.
Biases and prejudices are one's thoughts and beliefs and yes that person will be considered a racist. But the racism that holds a group of people down or back can only work for the group that has the power. Plain and simple.
I think your perception of the “subtle” racism is just shit that happens in every day life, except for when it happens to someone overtly looking for opportunities to claim racism.
Racism has beaten you, not actual racism but the fact you are constantly looking for it in every step of your life? It appears to consume you. I was trying to illustrate in a story you pd no attention too? I see you as someone constantly trying to find racism? OMG did that cracker just look at me funny? Racism ! I know it had to be. White people do stupid shit, black people do stupid shit . A few months ago at covid craziness again. I am waiting to pay for groceries. There is a couple? Can't really tell in the store with hoods pulled all the way up , masks on. I can barely see enough to tell they are black..............I would have had the same reaction of keeping an eye out if they were white but you will call me a racist. The best thing black people could do is as a group , get their shit together and quit giving yourselves reason for people to be cautious. Wear normal clothes because yeah, like the prison clothes sag is a reason not to be suspiscous?
Can we throw in the 360,000 white men that died during the Civil War to emancipate the Negroes?
There is where you are wrong. Black people don't looking for racism. The sad thing about racism is that we don't have to look for it. Why call the police on a 10 year old black girl and mother selling bottled water to raise money for a trip to Disney? Why harass a black man trying to enter his own apartment complex? Why call the police on black man cheering his son at a soccer game? Why call the police on black people BBQing in a park and then fake cry and lie when the police get there that you were being attacked? Why call the police on a black man picking up trash h in front of his own apartment building? On and on this crap has been happening and it has to stop.
This is the second or third time you brought up public scenarios you encountered with black people and how they look. Perhaps that is your pre-conceived notions and fears that you have. That is on you.
The current Supreme Court Justice wannabe enters the chat. You really aren't this dense are you whitey?
Dude, no one is restricting voting by not opening polls on Sunday. Why should poll workers have to work on Sunday? I mean shit, I'd enjoy poll workers coming directly to my house. But the fact they don't doesn't restrict my vote. Polls are open the same times if you're black, white, Asian, etc. WTF is so difficult about that, and why do blacks require special treatment?
You guys will never understand. Nobody wants special treatment. What was not broke, why fix it. In some states there have been Sunday voting for decades. Blacks enjoyed voting on Sundays in that they called it “Souls to the Polls”. It was a way of getting people edited to vote. The church in some places bus would take the elderly or whoever that didn’t drive to the polls etc. There was no fraud, just folks legally voting. This all started after the the 2008 election when Obama won. Sunday voting along with ID all sold a sudden became an issue with the repubs that did not like the outcome of the election. Move forward to 2020, the the repubs did not like the election results. Therefore, additional precincts in 49 states enacted these voter suppression laws. These laws just don’t target blacks. They target democratic voters in general because Dems tend to voter early, use the drop boxes, absentee, drive by etc. A few people here and there that can’t get to the polls in person for some reason or another now can sway a precinct, county, or state for that election. The jury is out on whether these laws will actually stop folks from voting, but clearly that was the intent of the repubs who enacted these laws.
Chicago Mayor: African American
Cook County Board President: African American as was previous 3 spanning 20 years plus.
Chicago PD Chief: African American Current and previous.
Cook County State's Atty: African American
State AG: African American
Head Judge of Cook County Court System: African American
CPS President: Current I believe is Hispanic.
CTU President: White, but took over for Karen Lewis after illness.
Chicago Housing Authority CEO: African American
CHA COO: African American
Chicago Park District President: African American
Chicago Public Library President: African American
Secretary of State/DMS: Jessie White
So I think I covered every major part of a person's life in Chicago. Maybe DSS? If people are qualified and perform, great, I could care less what their race, religion, sex, etc.I just want good government. Eg. I got zero complaints about the SoS. Very underappreciated performance. But I just broke down the power structure and it conflicts with your narrative. Actually if I am Hispanic I would be upset by the gross under-representation. Cue up Chicago's next Mayor, Ald. Raymond Lopez.
Wow...so full of excuses. Church bus don't run on Saturdays?
ID required to vote?
I seriously hope the new voter integrity laws have the intended effect: Weed out the lazy of body and mind from voting.
You've lost your ever loving mind. You're either the most insecure person on the planet, or you're a crazy white dude with nothing better to do than to incite Indy into a frenzy. WE ALL have the same opportunity to vote. Hell, they moved my voting location last year and I still voted as I have every election I've been eligible to cast a ballot. If you're a true American, you will find a way to vote.
If you are a true American you would not try restrict voting. If you are a true American you would vote for the John Lewis Voting Rights Bill. The House and Senate repubs did not.
Again, I call Bull Shit. I served 16 years as precinct committeeman and Chairman of the Republican party in my community. The only people my poll workers EVER turned away were those not registered. You're making false claims that honestly can't be substantiated in an attempt to slander.
And....by the way.....It's a federal crime to deny the right to vote to those LEGALLY REGISTERED to vote and doing so results in a huge fine and\or time in jail
AND....why not the Scott bill instead of the Lewis bill. Both are black aren't they?
I'm not talking about turning away people. Since you brought it up yes if someone is breaking the rules they should be turned away. I'm talking about the voter suppression laws that has been already or trying to be enacted in 49 states. There is no evidence if voter fraud to even think about changing laws. Some of these laws started after the 2008 election. The latest round after 2020. No evidence of fraud voting on Sundays, drop boxes, mail in, absentee etc. Again these laws targeted people that prefer these voting methods; the dems. The repubs prefer in person.
What Scott bill? He had no voting rights bill. If he did there were probably stuff in there like the aforementioned voting suppression. Tim Scott did havep his jacked up version of a crime bill that did not ban choke holds. To compare Tim Scott to John Lewis is like comparing hamburger to wagyu steak.
You meant "voting integrity", not suppression.
Have you met a single person, just one, who has said that they won't vote because the rules have changed?
It is widely known and the repub strategists know that high voter turnout does not bode well historically for the repubs. Therefore, if they can reduce the voter turnout here and there with these new laws, that can swing a District or state in the repub favor. Has it worked? Will it work? Will one person not vote? Or, will thousands not vote. I don't know. But it is quite obvious that some how suppressing the vote is the intent. And the point in all of this is the intent.
Because of previous attempt with suppression laws enacted after 2008 may have backfired in my opinion. Black churches, black radio stations etc. have gotten fired up to counter the previous round of suppression laws by getting the word out to make sure folks get out and vote. Perhaps one of the reasons why the dems took back the House and the Senate and how Biden got 80 million votes.
Blacks and Latinos are the least educated races in the country and a large majority of both races vote Democrat. That’s how dumbass got 80 million votes and the only reason why Democrats ever win elections. They rely on the dumb. Look at you and what you post.
Three seconds. The data supports my claim and blacks and Latinos are why Democrats win anything. They know how dumb and uneducated their base is.
And if making voting easier benefits dems, why should that be allowed, especially when that easy voting is loaded with problems?
There was a higher voter turnout for the 2016 election, than for the 2012 election, yet we got a Republican President.
Perhaps that's just the narrative the Dems are pushing, so they can take off as many restrictions as possible to allow for more fraudulent voting. They're just firing up the Black voters with all this voter suppression crap, then pushing through spamming mail-in ballots, drop boxes, no voter ID and voting two months prior to an election and trying to convince the Black voters they're doing it all for them.
Wake Up. Other than the month before an election, the Dems don't give a Damn about Black people. None of the things I've mentioned above do a thing to help Black people vote. All of them allow the Dems to cheat in elections, which is all they care about: Acquiring and maintaining POWER. Black people are just the pawns they use to maintain that power.
Think about it. The Dems keep saying that requiring Voter ID is suppressing the Black Vote. How? Do you believe that Black people are the only ones in the country, who are either too stupid or too lazy to get ID cards. That's what the Dems would have us believe.
I know quite a few Black people and have known a large number, during my lifetime. They all had driver's licenses or Military IDs or both. 60 or 70 years ago, that may have been different, but I suspect the number, who don't have IDs is very small and not a larger percentage among the Black community, than it is in any other ethnic group.
As I said, it's all about accumulating & maintaining power. The same people, who preach about voter suppression are also wanting statehood for DC & PR and want to stack the Supreme Court. All these things are related and it's all about Dems maintaining/increasing power, which is all they really care about. They will use anything and anyone to increase their power.
Dems want Big Government and Big Power, so they can control every aspect of your life. If you question that, compare how the Dems handled Covid vs the Reps. Who allowed you the most freedom and who tried to control every aspect of your life?
You’re not the only one here that does this. It is very ignorant to say that the Dems fire up black people about voter suppression. However, that is understandable since y’all don’t talk to blacks at any length or listen to black talk radio. If you did you would know that. Black people are the ones complaining about the voter suppression laws. Y’all keep bringing up voter ID. Again if you know about black people, prior to the 2008 election many blacks in the large cities actually did not have an ID because they use public transportation. The elderly was another group that did not have an ID. If this was not true, the repubs would not have gone to the trouble and change the laws to all of a sudden, back after the 2008 election, to require ID. Not because of any fraud, because they did not like the 2008 election results. There were and still is no evidence of voter fraud. I don’t think ID is so much of an issue anymore because blacks got pissed off and got energized. They made sure those that did not have an ID get one. So the ID issue may have back fired on the repubs. The voter suppression now is now more about mail ins, Sunday voting, absentee, drop by etc. All methods that blacks and the Dems compared to the repubs prefer to vote. The repubs prefer in person.
As far as DC, how would you like living in place where your representative has no congressional vote? That is why the DC residents want statehood.
The repubs don’t want any power either, huh?
So, Scott is a conservative black man, thus he's not as good as the ultra-liberal Lewis?
John Lewis almost lost his life at the hands of the AL state police on Bloody Sunday in 1965. The state police beat the crap out Lewis and several others protesting voting rights at the foot of the Edwin Pettis Bridge. Tim Scott on the other hand, a black man votes against the John Lewis Voting Rights Bill.
