just in case you're not sold on Fleck....
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Sorry if I missed it in another post, but here's another factor that could muddy the waters in terms of going after Miles. I believe Miles' son is a Nebraska commit who chose the Huskers over an offer to play for his dad at LSU. If his son would want to play for his dad at Purdue, I can see Miles considering our Boilers. If Nebraska is his son's dream school or if his son just wants to get out of his dad's shadow, isn't it reasonable to think Les would avoid taking a job at a division rival?
Seems to me there was always hope he could take them to Pasadena...then his health went bad.
Fleck isn't stupid. There's NO upside coming to Purdue..we're a coaches graveyard. He'll wait for a good coaching opportunity and Purdue isn't it.
Would Miles take $1 million or less his first 2 years since LSU is making up the difference any way? That would allow Les to go out and hire a rock star staff.
Les is 10-8 in the past 3 years against P5 with a top 5 recruiting class every year. I don't get the love.
Strange because I keep reading stuff from so called experts that say Purdue is a good, desirable job. Seem out of the openings or expected openings, only LSU, Texas and some put Oregon ahead of us as better jobs.
Yup, the planned facilities upgrades and the $3mil+++ we are willing to pay makes us a good job.
Couple that with the BIG West not having ANY teams in the top 25 in recruiting and being insulated from having to play Michigan and OSU every year....it's an opportunity where at a P5 school, even if you're ONLY a good recruiter you could put a team on the field that in a few short years could be more talented than the team across from it on a week in and week out basis.
YEs, Purdue is a tough place to recruit to but better recruiting will equal more wins which will lead to even better recruiting which will get us back to 7-8 wins....quicker than most think.
Fleck will most likely get some good offers (Oregon worries me, they've shown they will take risks on younger coaches) but Texas, LSU, Baylor (which with our TV money and no sex scandals we are a better job than them right now), USCw and other "elite" teams will likely not be calling him. Fleck is a midwest guy too, already has relationships in the state (more than our current coach has) and our opportunity mixes the right amount of risk and reward for a guy with the ego he has to want to try and turn it around. Also helping us is the fact that we will probably be the only BigTen opening in December. Stoops has most likely saved his job at Kentucky.
Geographically, the closest openings to us will be Boston College, Vanderbilt and MAYBE Georgia Tech. Doesn't give a midwest guy a lot to choose from.
I think Fleck ends up being our guy and we'll hear idiots all up and down the board in the offseason saying that he is the same as Hazell and we are doomed, when he couldn't be any further from the man in basically every other category besides where they used to coach. Sure, Hazell came from the MAC. So did Saban. So did Urban Meyer. Look at the lasting impact those guys have had on programs they coached. MSU was a dumpster dweller before Saban showed up. Utah wasn't even P5. Florida won National Championships. LSU won national championships, even after Saban was gone.
I'd rather catch a rising star and ride that while we can than get crushed by a falling one like Miles.
Oregon only gets mentioned it seems occasionally with regard to Fleck. Most seem to think they we will want a West Coast guy or Scott Frost from UCF since he is a former Oregon OC.
I'm hoping that a lot of things I've read is correctly because I've multiple media sources say that if they were betting, they would bet Fleck is at Purdue next year. That would make me happy. And I checked my Magic 8-Ball on Fleck to Purdue and it says "As I see it, yes". Doesn't everyone use a Magic 8-Ball for this stuff? Most reliable source I've got at the moment.
We agree on Fleck but disagree on Miles. We both emphasize the recruiting aspect. Just curious.. who else is on your short list if Fleck decides to stay put for another year or go elsewhere? He is the only one of the "up and comer" bunch who I am confident would improve recruiting.
Schiano is another guy who is ready for his next shot and is a good recruiter. I wouldn't mind nabbing him.
I do like Craig Bohl from NDSU and currently at Wyoming too but unlike Tiller, he seems like he'll stick it out there awhile.
Brohm @ WKU is intriguing but I don't think that he's a plus recruiter....and I think that's the #1 thing we need to move this program forward.
The one bright side is Miles can bring in some recruits, so even if he gets fired, the next guy up has something to work with. If Fleck gets hired, flames out in the furnace, continues to bring in MAC level recruits, your next head coach is still in the hole.
I keep going back and forth whether Schiano's success at Rutgers translates to Purdue. He was a Jersey guy recruiting Jersey kids to a school in Jersey. He has NFL on his resume, but no success at that level. Still can't deny how he turned around the Rutgers doormat.
Bohl or Brohm would need to come out of the gate strong, similar to Tiller, to have a plus impact on recruiting. They have zero name recognition.
One thing people often forget is how stocked the cupboards were for Tiller in his first year at Purdue. If Colletto had recruited like Hazell, Tiller may not have had the horses (er.. reindeer?) to get things off the ground in 97.
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His MAC level recruits are 17th in the country. I'd take them.
They have 23 commits at this point date which means they're likely close to full. Expect that recruiting ranking to drop rapidly as other teams fill up their classes. Honestly, having looked at their commit list, there's nothing there that says its that much better than what Purdue is pulling in these days.
Which leads most to believe with better facilities, better money, and being in a P5 conference...he'll be able to recruit better. It also tells me that with similar to equal recruits....his coaching is light years ahead of what Purdue has had since the early 2000's.
I don't disagree on the latter and I'm not saying Fleck isn't a good choice. I'm just not all in on that boat the way others are. As bad as it sounds, I'd rather have a sure thing ace recruiter come in and fail but all the while filling recruiting gaps we've had since the tail end of the Tiller era rather than a guy who has no proven track record in recruiting with success at the lower tier. As stated by someone else, Tiller was left with a decent roster when he came in. Neither DH1 or DH2 had that benefit nor did they do anything to fix it.
IU is not a good benchmark because the standards are low - they had years and years of losing and so the patience has been there for Wilson (even with having minor progress). Although, quite frankly, you could make a case we're closer to that point now than we thought we'd be.
That being said, the overall point is that IU hired someone that fit in with what they needed. He understood the task, he succeeded in bringing what his specialty was to IU (former offensive coordinator at OU), has slowly improved the talent level and recruiting connections and has started to shore up some of the weaknesses (defense). This wasn't going to be an overnight fix and while progress has been slower with wins/losses, you see improvements in other areas that are a good indicator for improvement in wins/losses. That's a big difference between Kevin Wilson and Hazell right there. There wasn't anything to point to.
Nobody has mentioned that IU might be in the market for a new coach and if their AD wants Fleck money its no object.Just a thought!
As I mentioned in another post, Purdue is going to be among over a dozen similar schools looking for a new coach. The "hype" hire this year is clearly going to be Fleck - and only one school can hire him. This is why getting set on one person is silly.
Don't think it's going to be anywhere near over a dozen similar schools as there are not that many P5 schools with coaches even being talked about being fired, but then you can almost throw out the Big 12 because there is so much uncertainty with the conference outside of Texas and I haven't seen much about Fleck even being mentioned as even really being considered there. There are several who's seats are warm, but will get another year to prove that one bad year was just aberration.
So for once, we are sitting in a good spot to actually nab the guy at the top of the list instead of making a run at the top guy, moving to the second guy on the list, settling for the third guy on the list.
Do you want to have a backup list, sure, but guess what, we are fans and not doing the hire so we are allowed to have one person on top of are list and be disappointed if we don't get him. Doesn't mean there aren't others that could do a good job. Fleck is at the top of my wish list.
Make a list. There aren't 12.
We are likely to be the only BigTen job open. Kentucky's coach will likely win 6 games and take them to a bowl. He's not getting canned.
What other schools on our level will be looking? Boston College? We have more to offer. Vandy? Good luck winning in the SEC East with Florida, Georgia and Tennessee cherry picking your recruits.
You don't think 12 schools will have head coaching jobs open? But ok, regardless, there will be 5+ P5 jobs open. PS There were 13 P-5 jobs open last year.
Yes, but most of them aren't better than Purdue with a new commitment to football as they've started. Texas and LSU, sure, after that it's Purdue and Oregon if they charge. Everyone is rating the rest of the projected openings below us.
What I find sad, it seems the sports media seems to have a higher opinion of our opening than some of the fans. I guess if we suck that much maybe we should just shut it down and follow the University of Chicago.
What "experts"??? Why is Purdue a good, desirable job?? Maybe for an old coach looking for a last gig, but not for a good young coach...there's NO upside. Name one Purdue coach who was young AND successful at Purdue...don't bother looking, there isn't any. An ambitious young coach that wants a chance to win conference championships and/or a national championship, isn't going to come to Purdue.
Look at our football history, in the last 100 years we've won 8 or more games in a season only 16 times...been ranked in the top 25 only 18 times...been to 17 bowl games...won 1 Big 10 title outright and were co- champions 7 times..and have a 53% winning percentage.
We have a football program, but we're not a "football" school.
Maybe, just maybe, PU would like to change some of that history, hence the re-commitment to football facilities and $ support. Maybe PU admin has seen the error of our ways over the past several years, and the changing landscape of CFB, and decided "WTF...we better get with it!!....it's time to hire a coach who is young and (with our support) can be successful!"
MAYBE THAT'S THE WHOLE FREAKING POINT, YOU DOLT!!!
You seems like an asshole.
FU.
If the president is not in favor of high spending
Do you think the BOT will override that and make a drastic shift in athletics?
And not just one hire, but the long term/entire staffs/etc?
Do you think the BOT will override that and make a drastic shift in athletics?
And not just one hire, but the long term/entire staffs/etc?
Watching the video of Fleck, his ego would take him to Vandy because he'd believe he's that damned good to win the SEC there.
I think Mitch and the BOT will be on the same page. I mean at this point, don't they have to be?!? This is also assuming Bobinski was given some assurances upon being offered/taking the job.
The state of our football program is near the bottom of the P5. I don't see MMM and the BOT being at odds.
Regarding all other athletics, I don't see a huge improvement like we'll see in FBall. I think they might stick w the status quo for now, with only a focus on football.
But it's also a matter of opinion. For example, Doeren went to NC State and accepted a "worse" contract than what Purdue gave Hazell. And there's always some surprise additions at the end of a season.
The way people talk on this board makes it sound like the President and BOT just oversee the athletic department and devote their time and energy to that. They spend a fraction of their time on athletics - and probably a lot less than you may imagine.
The athletic department's budget is independent of the university. So if you present ways of investing in different areas and there's an actual plan - they aren't going to just throw up and their hands and say "we refuse to let you spend X amount on athletics" just out of spite.
Granted, obviously a major facility project that involves financing is a bit different. But salaries of coaches is up to the freaking athletic director. There's no coincidence that Purdue magically found the resources necessary literally overnight with the whole Mizzou situation. There's no coincidence that Purdue could pay competitively after firing Hope.
There's all sorts of ways to make things happen. For example, many schools have coaching salary endowments set-up to mitigate concerns about having to find money out of operating budgets on a yearly basis, which also makes it easier to add raises from an operating budget. Firing a coach mid-season is actually helpful to Purdue because they don't have to operate in "backchannels" to get things done. And with Bobinski not having strong relationships with donors, he could not possibly go have conversations with them while you still have a head coach. That's a disaster waiting to happen.
As I said when Burke was here, there was one thing consistent over 20 years - the athletic director. The athletic department didn't change a damn thing on the way it operated while Burke was here - and he spanned 4 very different university presidents and several BOT. There was a reason why it was consistent - because they don't micro-manage athletics. It's a drop in the bucket compared with the overall university.
Ya Purdue has a 2.4B endowment and Mitch is in the process of raising 2B more. He has already raised over 1B of that goal. He's not opining over every decision the AD makes.
Not even factoring in an endowment, the operating budget for the Purdue University system is $2.3 billion. $1.96 billion for the West Lafayette campus.
Purdue's athletic department budget is around $75 million. $75 million out of $1.96 billion = 3.8% of the overall budget.
The BOT and President is not sweating over it.
I may "seem" like an asshole....but I'm right...and you're just too stupid to see the facts.
Yeah, you came here and posted a bunch of facts that we already all know. GOOD JOB. If you'll notice, I didn't dispute anything you posted, I only called you an asshole bc that's what you are.
If you didn't realize it, this is a Purdue Athletics tronz message forum. Most all of us are keenly aware of the on and off struggles Purdue has experienced RE their football program over the past 100 years, and especially the current state of things. That's kind of why we are all here, and have been here for years...to discuss those things.
You have added nothing to the conversation but Mr. Obvious cockbreath dumb-assery. Congrats. .
