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Ataylor1989x said:
check out the quick video.

http://www.espn.com/blog/ncfnation/...livers-pregame-inspiration-in-40-second-bites

Other than a completely novel system at the right time (Tiller in 1997), a leader with a dynamic personality and endless drive is the only way to make up for the natural recruiting disadvantages for Purdue.
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I'm as sold on him as I am anyone. Obviously there are no 'zero risk' options.
I do believe there is one other type who could improve recruiting, which is a coach with a household name. Looks like Les Miles isn't going to happen, but his national championship ring alone would get Purdue into some living rooms of recruits who wouldn't return a phone call from the likes of Hazell. He wouldn't be a long term solution but would bring in a few recruiting classes to build up the defense from the ashes. If we miss on Fleck, I'd rather give a guy like Miles the task of restocking the cupboard than rolling the dice on an unproven coach or coordinator.
 
I believe Fleck would be a great choice, but we need to be considering other options as well. I think the odds are pretty high that Fleck may not want to come here - it seems like everyone is just assuming he would want the job or that he won't have better offers. I believe he will have numerous opportunities this offseason, not just Purdue.

I think that Phillip Montgomery - Tulsa HC, former Baylor OC, would be a great choice if Fleck is not interested. I'm also in the camp that Les Miles would be great if you could get him paired with a dynamic OC. Brohm is the other name mentioned frequently - I'm not sold on him, he seems pretty vanilla and has won most of his games with Taggert/Petrino's recruits.
 
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When Fleck was on Schiano's staff at Rutgers he was considered by many to be the best recruiter on staff, right on par with Schiano. Fleck can recruit and now he's showing he can coach. Hazell and Fleck were both WR coaches at Rutgers. Not the best brand at this point, but they both became HCs, so there's that.
 
Fleck's record is impressive but this is the MAC. Maybe we should look for someone who has had success in a more competitive conference like the AAC or Mountain West?
 
RutgersRaRa said:
When Fleck was on Schiano's staff at Rutgers he was considered by many to be the best recruiter on staff, right on par with Schiano. Fleck can recruit and now he's showing he can coach. Hazell and Fleck were both WR coaches at Rutgers. Not the best brand at this point, but they both became HCs, so there's that.
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He was not even there 2 full seasons...
 
Cevol03 said:
I believe Fleck would be a great choice, but we need to be considering other options as well. I think the odds are pretty high that Fleck may not want to come here - it seems like everyone is just assuming he would want the job or that he won't have better offers. I believe he will have numerous opportunities this offseason, not just Purdue.

I think that Phillip Montgomery - Tulsa HC, former Baylor OC, would be a great choice if Fleck is not interested. I'm also in the camp that Les Miles would be great if you could get him paired with a dynamic OC. Brohm is the other name mentioned frequently - I'm not sold on him, he seems pretty vanilla and has won most of his games with Taggert/Petrino's recruits.
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The problem with your Les Miles assumption is that he would want to bring a dynamic OC with him. He doesn't want one. He wouldn't take the job if he was required to have one.

I would be all for Les if he would adapt, but he won't, and its the reason he is no longer LSUs coach.

We would be exactly the same as the LSU team he left....be more talented than most teams you play (reminder: no team in the BIG West is in th top 25 in recruiting last I checked) but frustratingly terrible on offense and losing games in the teens because your D plays great but the O just can't consistently score.

Again, there's a reason that Les was fired....and this is it. His inflexibility on the issue is what cost him the job. The problem was clear. He was asked to change. He didn't want to even when told it would cost him his job. We don't want that stubborness here.
 
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pboiler18 said:
The problem with your Les Miles assumption is that he would want to bring a dynamic OC with him. He doesn't want one. He wouldn't take the job if he was required to have one.

I would be all for Les if he would adapt, but he won't, and its the reason he is no longer LSUs coach.

We would be exactly the same as the LSU team he left....be more talented than most teams you play (reminder: no team in the BIG West is in th top 25 in recruiting last I checked) but frustratingly terrible on offense and losing games in the teens because your D plays great but the O just can't consistently score.

Again, there's a reason that Les was fired....and this is it. His inflexibility on the issue is what cost him the job. The problem was clear. He was asked to change. He didn't want to even when told it would cost him his job. We don't want that stubborness here.
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Les Miles is 62 and he would treat Purdue like a retirement job, just like Fred Akers did. We need someone south of 60.
 
Fleck will come here if he is motivated by a challenge. I can not think of a bigger challenge in college football right now than assuming head coach position at PU? Anybody can step into an elite job or go to a school with a consistantly winning record or bowl game participation.....but just think what turning around this program will do for his ego. He has classic Type "A" personality traits. I think he comes here
 
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The problem with your Les Miles assumption is that he would want to bring a dynamic OC with him. He doesn't want one. He wouldn't take the job if he was required to have one.

I would be all for Les if he would adapt, but he won't, and its the reason he is no longer LSUs coach.

We would be exactly the same as the LSU team he left....be more talented than most teams you play (reminder: no team in the BIG West is in th top 25 in recruiting last I checked) but frustratingly terrible on offense and losing games in the teens because your D plays great but the O just can't consistently score.

Again, there's a reason that Les was fired....and this is it. His inflexibility on the issue is what cost him the job. The problem was clear. He was asked to change. He didn't want to even when told it would cost him his job. We don't want that stubborness here.
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I think this board needs to be less "boxed in" in our thinking. People talk in black and white and like we have rules on what we need to hire.

Like, is it not ok for a strong defensive coach to be hired that may not have some dynamic offense - but it's ok to hire some coach with a dynamic offense that can't stop a peewee football team? Like this standards and rules being put out there make no sense.

If the best coaching candidate out there for us is a defensive minded coach, hire him. We aren't in a position to be picky about things - as much as we love touting Cradle of QBs, our best year with Brees was also our worst offensive team with Brees. Because we actually had a defense. In four years of starting vs Brees' three, Kyle Orton didn't even come close to reaching Brees' passing yards - why? We were a much more balanced team with some of our best defenses in the last 30 years.

So again I will say this cause I know this will be the retort- it's not an endorsement of Les Miles for head coach. People on this board act like we have a choice of 2 people. I got news for you - a non-elite school will likely not get their first choice, because that first choice is likely the choice of 5-10+ other schools on similar or higher levels and only one can hire them.
 
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TheBoris said:
Les Miles is 62 and he would treat Purdue like a retirement job, just like Fred Akers did. We need someone south of 60.
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Do you know him personally? You don't get to his level without being competitive to the core. That's a switch that typically doesn't just switch off because you reach a certain age or have some money in the bank. I guess without knowing him personally I think there is less risk of him retiring on the job than one of these up and comers not being able to get the job done. If Akers tells us not to hire an older coach from above, then Hazell tells us not to hire from below. What's left??
Age can be a factor in recruiting, but which type of coach is more likely to bust - an older household name with a ring or a up and comer? I think Fleck's current star power offsets a lot of this. But besides Fleck, I fear nearly anyone else on our list would become "just another coach" within days of being hired at Purdue. We could use some buzz.
 
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The problem with your Les Miles assumption is that he would want to bring a dynamic OC with him. He doesn't want one. He wouldn't take the job if he was required to have one.
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There is an article about Les Miles on SI.com also on FOX sports.com. Les will entertain a new OC. Guys help me remember the last MAC head coach that came to the BIG Ten and did well. I can certainly remember coaches from other P5 programs that have did well in the Big Ten. The likes of Meyer, Harbaugh, Franklin, Chryst, Riley. It just so happens they are also the leaders in B1G. The MAC coaches in recent history, these are the ones you are basing the Fleck hire on is Brady Hoke?, or Perhaps Darrel Hazel? Both of these were amazing coaches in MAC, You can ask UM if they thought Hoke was the Guy, but since he was fired after 3 years I am guessing not. You should be able to ask yourself if DH was the Guy at Purdue, but my guess since he is now teaching Knitting somewhere, someone thought Purdue could do better.
Les Miles is the right person for Purdue Job. He knows what a P5 program should look like (not a great MAC team). He has put more players in the NFL than Saban. I agree he needs to get a OC that can work wonders. That is where Payton Manning gets acquired. It won't be Cam, or Charlie Wies. They are non starters for Purdue.
 
pboiler18 said:
The problem with your Les Miles assumption is that he would want to bring a dynamic OC with him. He doesn't want one. He wouldn't take the job if he was required to have one.

I would be all for Les if he would adapt, but he won't, and its the reason he is no longer LSUs coach.

We would be exactly the same as the LSU team he left....be more talented than most teams you play (reminder: no team in the BIG West is in th top 25 in recruiting last I checked) but frustratingly terrible on offense and losing games in the teens because your D plays great but the O just can't consistently score.

Again, there's a reason that Les was fired....and this is it. His inflexibility on the issue is what cost him the job. The problem was clear. He was asked to change. He didn't want to even when told it would cost him his job. We don't want that stubborness here.
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The problem with your Les Miles assumption is that you act like you personally know him. He has had very dynamic offensive coordinators in the past including Jimbo Fisher and Mike Gundy. If he wants to bring on Cam Cameron, then you don't hire him. Pretty simple. But if he is willing to bring on someone similar to Lincoln Riley, then he should be considered.
 
I think Purdue should make a long term hire. At IU we are seeing the benefit of this approach. Being very competitive and recruiting a much better grade of player. Wilson made a good hire on defense. It's gonna take some time to right the ship at Purdue..
 
boiler2288 said:
Fleck will come here if he is motivated by a challenge. I can not think of a bigger challenge in college football right now than assuming head coach position at PU? Anybody can step into an elite job or go to a school with a consistantly winning record or bowl game participation.....but just think what turning around this program will do for his ego. He has classic Type "A" personality traits. I think he comes here
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Based on your logic, he will stay at Western Michigan because it is even a bigger challenge to make it the playoff at Western Michigan than at Purdue. He ain't stupid though - he's going to the school with the best administration, fan support, facilities, resources, etc.
 
wawasee said:
I think Purdue should make a long term hire. At IU we are seeing the benefit of this approach. Being very competitive and recruiting a much better grade of player. Wilson made a good hire on defense. It's gonna take some time to right the ship at Purdue..
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Wilson is going on 5+ years at IU with zero winning seasons and would not have been to a bowl game if not for Hazell. He's not a terrible coach, but I guarantee this is NOT what Purdue is bench marking.
 
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Honestly, Parker has a very similar personality. That's why he is the recruiting coordinator. Unfortunately I don't have a clue if Fleck can sell Purdue any better.
 
Cevol03 said:
Based on your logic, he will stay at Western Michigan because it is even a bigger challenge to make it the playoff at Western Michigan than at Purdue. He ain't stupid though - he's going to the school with the best administration, fan support, facilities, resources, etc.
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Perhaps...but this guy is a different kind of "cat". Maybe relationships with family, friends and staff influence him? Not everyone is motivated by money/facilities. He would have an opportunity to build something here. Something only he thinks he can do, with his name attached to it. Reminds me some of George Allen, late Rams/Redskins coach who popularized 24 hr workday and sleeping in the office, motivational leader at a time when fb coaches worked in season only & had pt jobs in off-season
 
be_bold_in_gold said:
There is an article about Les Miles on SI.com also on FOX sports.com. Les will entertain a new OC. Guys help me remember the last MAC head coach that came to the BIG Ten and did well. I can certainly remember coaches from other P5 programs that have did well in the Big Ten. The likes of Meyer, Harbaugh, Franklin, Chryst, Riley. It just so happens they are also the leaders in B1G. The MAC coaches in recent history, these are the ones you are basing the Fleck hire on is Brady Hoke?, or Perhaps Darrel Hazel? Both of these were amazing coaches in MAC, You can ask UM if they thought Hoke was the Guy, but since he was fired after 3 years I am guessing not. You should be able to ask yourself if DH was the Guy at Purdue, but my guess since he is now teaching Knitting somewhere, someone thought Purdue could do better.
Les Miles is the right person for Purdue Job. He knows what a P5 program should look like (not a great MAC team). He has put more players in the NFL than Saban. I agree he needs to get a OC that can work wonders. That is where Payton Manning gets acquired. It won't be Cam, or Charlie Wies. They are non starters for Purdue.
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Peyton Manning? Hope this is TIC.
 
FirstDownB said:
Wilson is going on 5+ years at IU with zero winning seasons and would not have been to a bowl game if not for Hazell. He's not a terrible coach, but I guarantee this is NOT what Purdue is bench marking.
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All I am saying is it is gonna take some time at Purdue. IU was a dead sea when Wilson took over. They are very competitive compared to where they were. Purdue needs somebody who can recruit at a high level.
 
Purdue needs a very good recruiter and someone who can bring/develop a dynamic offense first.....however the strength of the defense will determine if Purdue could eventually compete for a division title. There are many more posters closer to the program and the coaching search, but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed with hiring Fleck. Of course I liked the DH hire at the time as well (although I didn't like the contract terms), so there's that......

JMO
 
FirstDownB said:
Do you know him personally? You don't get to his level without being competitive to the core. That's a switch that typically doesn't just switch off because you reach a certain age or have some money in the bank. I guess without knowing him personally I think there is less risk of him retiring on the job than one of these up and comers not being able to get the job done. If Akers tells us not to hire an older coach from above, then Hazell tells us not to hire from below. What's left??
Age can be a factor in recruiting, but which type of coach is more likely to bust - an older household name with a ring or a up and comer? I think Fleck's current star power offsets a lot of this. But besides Fleck, I fear nearly anyone else on our list would become "just another coach" within days of being hired at Purdue. We could use some buzz.
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I don't know Miles personally but I'm 68 years old. I'm very healthy and active and I still work. Having said that, I know what it feels like to be 55 and 60 and 62 and 65.

We need a guy who can come in here and turn things around and then stick around a few years to keep it going, hopefully at least 8-10 years. I doubt that a 62-yr-old can do that as well as a 52-yr-old.

I recommend the maximum age of any new hire is 55.
 
TheBoris said:
I don't know Miles personally but I'm 68 years old. I'm very healthy and active and I still work. Having said that, I know what it feels like to be 55 and 60 and 62 and 65.

We need a guy who can come in here and turn things around and then stick around a few years to keep it going, hopefully at least 8-10 years. I doubt that a 62-yr-old can do that as well as a 52-yr-old.

I recommend the maximum age of any new hire is 55.
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Unless its Belicheck . I will waive mandatory retirement age, then
 
Ataylor1989x said:
check out the quick video.

http://www.espn.com/blog/ncfnation/...livers-pregame-inspiration-in-40-second-bites

Other than a completely novel system at the right time (Tiller in 1997), a leader with a dynamic personality and endless drive is the only way to make up for the natural recruiting disadvantages for Purdue.
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So Fleck has the rah-rah part of it down.....as a coach he's still in the MAC and has lost games. Nah....there are many that are much better.
 
TheBoris said:
I don't know Miles personally but I'm 68 years old. I'm very healthy and active and I still work. Having said that, I know what it feels like to be 55 and 60 and 62 and 65.

We need a guy who can come in here and turn things around and then stick around a few years to keep it going, hopefully at least 8-10 years. I doubt that a 62-yr-old can do that as well as a 52-yr-old.

I recommend the maximum age of any new hire is 55.
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Fair enough. My scenario is Fleck says no and we make a run at Miles. We give him the budget to hire 2 real deal coordinators, who are younger and energetic. They essentially run the day to day coaching detail and spend the 16 hours a day or whatever in the office. Miles is the CEO of the team, makes the "big" decisions, and steers the ship. He uses his name, his accomplishments, and his extensive network to our advantage for 4-5 years. Sort of what we tried with Hazell, only with people who actually know what they are doing and have legit accomplishments to their record. His age is literally the only reason he would even consider taking the job.

Is my scenario too much for a fit 60-something to manage? I don't know. Paterno, Bowden, Snyder, Spurrier seemed to do OK.
 
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TheBoris said:
I don't know Miles personally but I'm 68 years old. I'm very healthy and active and I still work. Having said that, I know what it feels like to be 55 and 60 and 62 and 65.

We need a guy who can come in here and turn things around and then stick around a few years to keep it going, hopefully at least 8-10 years. I doubt that a 62-yr-old can do that as well as a 52-yr-old.

I recommend the maximum age of any new hire is 55.
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I'm 69, in great health and was coaching until 63 when my wife came down with terminal cancer. I'm thinking about trying one more go-around because with my age, I've learned a lot that these young whipper-snappers have no clue about.
 
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be_bold_in_gold said:
There is an article about Les Miles on SI.com also on FOX sports.com. Les will entertain a new OC. Guys help me remember the last MAC head coach that came to the BIG Ten and did well. I can certainly remember coaches from other P5 programs that have did well in the Big Ten. The likes of Meyer, Harbaugh, Franklin, Chryst, Riley. It just so happens they are also the leaders in B1G. The MAC coaches in recent history, these are the ones you are basing the Fleck hire on is Brady Hoke?, or Perhaps Darrel Hazel? Both of these were amazing coaches in MAC, You can ask UM if they thought Hoke was the Guy, but since he was fired after 3 years I am guessing not. You should be able to ask yourself if DH was the Guy at Purdue, but my guess since he is now teaching Knitting somewhere, someone thought Purdue could do better.
Les Miles is the right person for Purdue Job. He knows what a P5 program should look like (not a great MAC team). He has put more players in the NFL than Saban. I agree he needs to get a OC that can work wonders. That is where Payton Manning gets acquired. It won't be Cam, or Charlie Wies. They are non starters for Purdue.
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You realize that Meyer's first head coaching job was in the MAC, don't you?

And if it was going to be Les, he would have been hired already. Same with Briles.
 
FirstDownB said:
Fair enough. My scenario is Fleck says no and we make a run at Miles. We give him the budget to hire 2 real deal coordinators, who are younger and energetic. They essentially run the day to day coaching detail and spend the 16 hours a day or whatever in the office. Miles is the CEO of the team, makes the "big" decisions, and steers the ship. He uses his name, his accomplishments, and his extensive network to our advantage for 4-5 years. Sort of what we tried with Hazell, only with people who actually know what they are doing and have legit accomplishments to their record. His age is literally the only reason he would even consider taking the job.

Is my scenario too much for a fit 60-something to manage? I don't know. Paterno, Bowden, Snyder, Spurrier seemed to do OK.
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Those are four great coaches who did very well in their senior years but how old was Paterno when he STARTED at Penn State? How old was Snyder when he STARTED at K State? Spurrier was 61 when he started at South Carolina but he had no where near the success there as when he started at Florida at age 45.
 
New Pal Boiler said:
You realize that Meyer's first head coaching job was in the MAC, don't you?

And if it was going to be Les, he would have been hired already. Same with Briles.
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Yes, but he has been several places since bowling green (left 15 years ago). I would expect he learned about bigger programs at UTAH and UF and TV(ESPN). How many places has Fleck been to since he was at HC at Western????? I not saying Fleck could not be great. I am saying there really is no evidence that MAC coaches (without some other experience) translates to B1G success. I thought someone would bring up Woodrow Hayes and Bo Schembechler, but I guess everyone realizes those days are 50 years gone.
My thought the B1G woke up when Bret B left WISC to go to ARK. WISC was a pretty good gig and ARK was bottom of SEC. The B1G decided they need to think a little bigger than the next MAC coach. From what I see around the league, it seems to be working. ESPN (Media) gives B1G a lot more credit and the play in the B1G has certainly been better when compared to other leagues at bowl time and major nonconference games. Purdue does not count here at all.
 
be_bold_in_gold said:
There is an article about Les Miles on SI.com also on FOX sports.com. Les will entertain a new OC. Guys help me remember the last MAC head coach that came to the BIG Ten and did well. I can certainly remember coaches from other P5 programs that have did well in the Big Ten. The likes of Meyer, Harbaugh, Franklin, Chryst, Riley. It just so happens they are also the leaders in B1G. The MAC coaches in recent history, these are the ones you are basing the Fleck hire on is Brady Hoke?, or Perhaps Darrel Hazel? Both of these were amazing coaches in MAC, You can ask UM if they thought Hoke was the Guy, but since he was fired after 3 years I am guessing not. You should be able to ask yourself if DH was the Guy at Purdue, but my guess since he is now teaching Knitting somewhere, someone thought Purdue could do better.
Les Miles is the right person for Purdue Job. He knows what a P5 program should look like (not a great MAC team). He has put more players in the NFL than Saban. I agree he needs to get a OC that can work wonders. That is where Payton Manning gets acquired. It won't be Cam, or Charlie Wies. They are non starters for Purdue.
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Jerry Kill went From N. I'll. To Minnesota with a solid track record and a staff who had been with him for years.
 
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Jerry Kill went From N. I'll. To Minnesota with a solid track record and a staff who had been with him for years.
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True enough. I am a big fan of Jerry Kill. I think he has (had) really helped MINN. They are much improved over Purdue, but I don't think he was ever thought to be the coach to deliver MINN to the Rose Bowl (or CFP) do you?
 
Just a reminder Les was an O-line coach and OC. His offenses have been so terrible that people think he is a defensive minded coach, but that isn't the case.
 
boiler2288 said:
Fleck will come here if he is motivated by a challenge. I can not think of a bigger challenge in college football right now than assuming head coach position at PU? Anybody can step into an elite job or go to a school with a consistantly winning record or bowl game participation.....but just think what turning around this program will do for his ego. He has classic Type "A" personality traits. I think he comes here
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Iowa St. and Kansas Football coaching. Historically shit, currently shit, and their conference may implode and be left behind in whatever shit conference gets pieced together by the left behinds.
 
New Pal Boiler said:
You realize that Meyer's first head coaching job was in the MAC, don't you?

And if it was going to be Les, he would have been hired already. Same with Briles.
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Why if I was Les or Briles, I'd wait until full coach movement before I'd pick. Heck Texas, Tenn, or LSU may steal a good but not great tier coach like Arkansas did with wisc. A good coach might make the jump to the NFL, who knows... Purdue isn't in the drivers seat, but they have probably started early talks and negotiations with a few coaches' agents.
 
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