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Judge allowing Jury to pick between 3 "crimes"

@BuilderBob6 @BNIBoiler BTW, other Democrats are seeing the weaponization of the legal system. Why can't you guys?

Well, I know why... TDS

Fvck your tds and fvck you. TDS is simply your preferred method of disposing of all the arguments against trump and insulting those who will not vote for him………all in a nice small package you can throw out to shoot down any and all objections. It can’t be because of anything trump has done. Half of America has some made up disease, that’s the reason. It’s a pussy cop out.

Read this and remember it douchebag. I will never vote for a man who refused to accept the results of an election, tried to get officials to change the results through intimidation and replacing others, and watched as thousands of his supporters rioted as they tried to have the transfer of power halted……..and did nothing. That’s just a few of the reasons.

You trot out one Hollywood actor, who on any other day you would attack and discredit as a flaming liberal, and use him as an argument. Trot out as many as you want.

When I show you videos of hayseed trumpers who think Obama is secretly in charge or trump is still the president or all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories, you say well that’s just one guy. Back at you.
 
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Fvck your tds and fvck you. TDS is simply your preferred method of disposing of all the arguments against trump and insulting those who will not vote for him………all in a nice small package you can throw out to shoot down any and all objections. It can’t be because of anything trump has done. Half of America has some made up disease, that’s the reason. It’s a pussy cop out.

Read this and remember it douchebag. I will never vote for a man who refused to accept the results of an election, tried to get officials to change the results through intimidation and replacing others, and watched as thousands of his supporters rioted as they tried to have the transfer of power halted……..and did nothing. That’s just a few of the reasons.

You trot out one Hollywood actor, who on any other day you would attack and discredit as a flaming liberal, and use him as an argument. Trot out as many as you want.

When I show you videos of hayseed trumpers who think Obama is secretly in charge or trump is still the president or all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories, you say well that’s just one guy. Back at you.
Your childish profanity and insults are unbecoming a Purdue alum. That makes me think you are not one.

Why would you expect anyone to care who you vote for?
 
Dude, that's with any case. You can't pick your judge that you feel will give you a better outcome. Chump whined before when the Judge Curiel, a Mexican American judge born and raised from my hometown and went to my high school by the way, rule against him in that Mexican immigration or whatever it was case when he first got in office. Chump whined then saying that judge was biased when he wasn't.

I guess you don't think Justice Uncle Clarence Thomas should recuse himself in the upcoming Jan 6 case because his wife, Ginny Thomas was involved in busing the MAGA crazies from the WH Chump rally to the Capitol.

Or, I guess you don't this Justice Alito should recuse himself in the upcoming Jan 6 case because his crazy wife was flying the US flag upside down which is another Jan 6 type of protest.
I think any judge, who is politically involved or connected or otherwise engaged politically, especially in a politically motivate trial like this one, should eliminate themself.
But, this guy will write a book about being the first and he'll make a ton of money, which is what capitalism is all about.
 
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Your childish profanity and insults are unbecoming a Purdue alum. That makes me think you are not one.

Why would you expect anyone to care who you vote for?
Bob is triggered now. Perhaps he needs to go sit in his safe space to cool off.
 
I think any judge, who is politically involved or connected or otherwise engaged politically, especially in a politically motivate trial like this one, should eliminate themself.
But, this guy will write a book about being the first and he'll make a ton of money, which is what capitalism is all about.
So, Justice Uncle Clarence Thomas and Justice Alito should recuse themselves from any Jan 6 cases?
 
Because he must've been telling the truth before? How do you know which is the lie?
Exactly. You just stated a major weakness with the case, JM, by which a true jury of peers should be able to find reasonable doubt.

As you say, they don't know when he is lying and when he is not.
 
Exactly. You just stated a major weakness with the case, JM, by which a true jury of peers should be able to find reasonable doubt.

As you say, they don't know when he is lying and when he is not.
Good thing they provided other corroborating evidence then, yes?
 
You should have stopped right there. Do you really want to live in a country where it is now deemed ok to charge someone with felonies (even though there was no felony) because they are your political rival? Do you really want us to be going down this rabbit hole?
No, I don't want to live in that country. If only you could definitively demonstrate that's what's actually happening here.
You're right. Many of them did much worse things and haven't been charged with anything. Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden should be rotting in jail for what they've done, but they get a pass because they are part of the machine. Trump isn't, and that's why people love him.
For which crimes that you can verify again?
Nancy Pelosi made $7 million in one week recently. From what? Definitely not for doing a good job on the hill... Can almost guarantee it's illegal gains/insider trading.
I agree congresspeople should not be able to trade stocks, but it's not currently illegal.
I don't think either you nor I could talk to the validity of the documents used other than what we've heard, and from what I've heard, they are claiming that documents were falsified. There have been no specifics at all. Which is odd, because they are keen to leak every GD thing they can to get Trump, but not this? Why?
Who is "they" referenced above? Who is claiming the documents were falsified? You're right, you and I cannot verify, but you're the one claiming they are false. How can you keep both of those thoughts in your head at the same time? Do you think if something like the checks to Cohen that were signed by Trump were fake, the defense wouldn't have pointed that out during the trial?
 
Fvck your tds and fvck you. TDS is simply your preferred method of disposing of all the arguments against trump and insulting those who will not vote for him………all in a nice small package you can throw out to shoot down any and all objections. It can’t be because of anything trump has done. Half of America has some made up disease, that’s the reason. It’s a pussy cop out.
Nope. TDS is real and people celebrating this bastardization of the rule of law is suffering from it badly. People are leaving the Democrat party to vote for Trump that don't have TDS because they can actually see what's going on. You cannot because you're blinded by it.
Read this and remember it douchebag. I will never vote for a man who refused to accept the results of an election, tried to get officials to change the results through intimidation and replacing others, and watched as thousands of his supporters rioted as they tried to have the transfer of power halted……..and did nothing. That’s just a few of the reasons.
Who was intimidated? Are you talking about Rathensburg? He wasn't intimidated. If you believe so its because you believe in the media lie. Go listen to the entire phone call (not a transcript). I have. There was no intimidation and he didn't ask him to break the law either. Both of those claims are lies.

His supporters were protesting peacefully until the Capitol Police started shooting munitions at them. Trump told them to remain peaceful after an hour. That's hardly doing nothing. Trump made the National Guard available. Why weren't they used when needed?
You trot out one Hollywood actor, who on any other day you would attack and discredit as a flaming liberal, and use him as an argument. Trot out as many as you want.
LMAO, your arguments are insane to support your TDS. There shouldn't be ANY main stream supporters of the Democratic party saying they are going to vote for the other side because they are seeing the weaponization of the legal system. None. The fact that we can show you any should tell you just how blinded you are by your TDS.
When I show you videos of hayseed trumpers who think Obama is secretly in charge or trump is still the president or all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories, you say well that’s just one guy. Back at you.
Back at me? What's your point? There are crazies on all sides. Anyone can cherry pick the crazy people and make their supporters look insane.
 
Nope. TDS is real and people celebrating this bastardization of the rule of law is suffering from it badly. People are leaving the Democrat party to vote for Trump that don't have TDS because they can actually see what's going on. You cannot because you're blinded by it.

Who was intimidated? Are you talking about Rathensburg? He wasn't intimidated. If you believe so its because you believe in the media lie. Go listen to the entire phone call (not a transcript). I have. There was no intimidation and he didn't ask him to break the law either. Both of those claims are lies.

His supporters were protesting peacefully until the Capitol Police started shooting munitions at them. Trump told them to remain peaceful after an hour. That's hardly doing nothing. Trump made the National Guard available. Why weren't they used when needed?

LMAO, your arguments are insane to support your TDS. There shouldn't be ANY main stream supporters of the Democratic party saying they are going to vote for the other side because they are seeing the weaponization of the legal system. None. The fact that we can show you any should tell you just how blinded you are by your TDS.

Back at me? What's your point? There are crazies on all sides. Anyone can cherry pick the crazy people and make their supporters look insane.
Which is it? The Jan 6 protestors were peaceful until the Capitol police fired munitions at them. Or the Jan 6 protestors were Antifa like you said before.
 
No, I don't want to live in that country. If only you could definitively demonstrate that's what's actually happening here.
Go listen to just about any lawyer that's talking about this. Not MSNBC.
For which crimes that you can verify again?
Illegal server. Bleach bit of phone while under investigation. Taking bribes from foreign countries. Things that have actual evidence that we've seen on paper.
Who is "they" referenced above? Who is claiming the documents were falsified? You're right, you and I cannot verify, but you're the one claiming they are false.
The prosecution of course. Who else would I have been referring to?
How can you keep both of those thoughts in your head at the same time? Do you think if something like the checks to Cohen that were signed by Trump were fake, the defense wouldn't have pointed that out during the trial?
Because I trust the testimony of the lawyer that hasn't been proven to purger himself vs the one that has as well as the other ones that are prosecuting for political reasons.
 
Which is it? The Jan 6 protestors were peaceful until the Capitol police fired munitions at them. Or the Jan 6 protestors were Antifa like you said before.
Where did I ever say J6 people were Antifa? I said there were some in the crowd, but that's hardly saying they were all Antifa.
 
Good thing they provided other corroborating evidence then, yes?
Primarily from another unreliable source.

Not clear to me why a charge about federal elections was allowed to end up in a NYC court after the FEC passed on it. It almost makes one think there was some kind of political motivation behind it. That couldn't possibly be the case, could it?
 
Primarily from another unreliable source.

Not clear to me why a charge about federal elections was allowed to end up in a NYC court after the FEC passed on it. It almost makes one think there was some kind of political motivation behind it. That couldn't possibly be the case, could it?
And they knew they couldn't win in federal court, but they could in NYC.
 
Primarily from another unreliable source.
Like documents and stuff?
Not clear to me why a charge about federal elections was allowed to end up in a NYC court after the FEC passed on it.
Ah, it's not clear to YOU, so there must be some nefarious purpose. Argument from incredulity fallacy.
It almost makes one think there was some kind of political motivation behind it. That couldn't possibly be the case, could it?
It could be. Does that mean it is?
 
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Go listen to just about any lawyer that's talking about this. Not MSNBC.
There are lawyers saying both things. Hardly conclusive.
Illegal server. Bleach bit of phone while under investigation.
Investigated by Republicans, not charged.
Taking bribes from foreign countries.
Investigated by Republicans, not charged, not impeached. They've SAID they have evidence, but have yet to actually show us any.
Things that have actual evidence that we've seen on paper.
See above.
The prosecution of course. Who else would I have been referring to?
The prosecution said their own evidence was falsified?
Because I trust the testimony of the lawyer that hasn't been proven to purger himself vs the one that has as well as the other ones that are prosecuting for political reasons.
So you've chosen to trust the person who said the things you already believed to begin with. That tracks.


I'll ask again. Do you have anything verifiable that demonstrates that the evidence presented by the prosecution was manufactured? You see to be avoiding this question.
 
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Like documents and stuff?
Like a porn 'star' who has previously said she did not sleep with Trump. Of the two 'star' witnesses, each has been proven to lie by their own contradictions. Plenty of reasonable doubt for any neutral jury.

Ah, it's not clear to YOU, so there must be some nefarious purpose. Argument from incredulity fallacy.
Then if it is clear to YOU, JM, explain why a charge about federal elections somehow ended up in a NYC court after the FEC and DOJ passed on it.

It could be. Does that mean it is?
No, nor does it mean it isn't.
 
Did they make contributions to the Trump campaign? Do they have children or family members working for Republican fund raising?
You don't know for sure who makes contributions to any campaign. As much as a MAGA cult member Ginny Thomas is, would allege she has made contributions to the Chump campaign at the least.
 
Also, for those wondering, he just turned 18.

Wrong about what? I’m not disputing y’all. I’m just acknowledging Faux News being all over this as usual. Why does that matter is what I’m asking? Say that the judge didn’t donate money to the Biden campaign. He will still support Biden wouldn’t he? That goes for any judge at any level of the judicial system. Didn’t Ginny Thomas drive those crazy Jan 6 cult members from the WH Chump rally to the Capitol?

Is it public knowledge of someone donating to a particular candidate is my question?
 
Wrong about what? I’m not disputing y’all. I’m just acknowledging Faux News being all over this as usual. Why does that matter is what I’m asking? Say that the judge didn’t donate money to the Biden campaign. He will still support Biden wouldn’t he? That goes for any judge at any level of the judicial system. Didn’t Ginny Thomas drive those crazy Jan 6 cult members from the WH Chump rally to the Capitol?

Is it public knowledge of someone donating to a particular candidate is my question?
I assume this wasn’t meant for my comment? Haha
 
Wrong about what? I’m not disputing y’all. I’m just acknowledging Faux News being all over this as usual. Why does that matter is what I’m asking? Say that the judge didn’t donate money to the Biden campaign. He will still support Biden wouldn’t he? That goes for any judge at any level of the judicial system. Didn’t Ginny Thomas drive those crazy Jan 6 cult members from the WH Chump rally to the Capitol?

Is it public knowledge of someone donating to a particular candidate is my question?
Donating money is consideration of a contract. The judge expected something in return for the money he donated to the Biden campaign. He received that consideration by being appointed as judge in the Trump trial.
 
Donating money is consideration of a contract. The judge expected something in return for the money he donated to the Biden campaign. He received that consideration by being appointed as judge in the Trump trial.
Donating is consideration of a contract? Where does that……..no, WTF are you talking about?
 
Donating is consideration of a contract? Where does that……..no, WTF are you talking about?
You see this is what I’m been talking about ever since I have been on this site. These folks will say things that is not true or doesn’t make sense of both. They will say things and hope it sticks. That is one of the most ridiculous things I ever heard. From Faux News to the Patriot Channel to Qanon, these folks will hear crap and except as fact all the time.
 
Donating money is consideration of a contract. The judge expected something in return for the money he donated to the Biden campaign. He received that consideration by being appointed as judge in the Trump trial.
You know you pulled that out of your crapper don’t ya? Biden, or any president for that matter has absolutely no power in selecting a judge in any state or local case no matter how much they donate.
 
You know you pulled that out of your crapper don’t ya? Biden, or any president for that matter has absolutely no power in selecting a judge in any state or local case no matter how much they donate.
So you don’t believe the Democrats had any say on what judge was to hear the Trump trial. Right!
 
So you don’t believe the Democrats had any say on what judge was to hear the Trump trial. Right!
To be honest, I don’t care how the judge as selected. Secondly, if the democrats selected this judge, it was the state of NY, not Biden. If there is some partisanship in selecting judges, the republicans doesn’t do the same? Is that what you are implying.
 
To be honest, I don’t care how the judge as selected. Secondly, if the democrats selected this judge, it was the state of NY, not Biden. If there is some partisanship in selecting judges, the republicans doesn’t do the same? Is that what you are implying.
Are you playing dumb or are you serious? If you believe that judge Merchan was selected randomly for the Trump case then I don’t know what to tell you.

 
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Like a porn 'star' who has previously said she did not sleep with Trump. Of the two 'star' witnesses, each has been proven to lie by their own contradictions. Plenty of reasonable doubt for any neutral jury.
Ah, so you're also in the "they only had two things" camp, when that is demonstrably false.
Then if it is clear to YOU, JM, explain why a charge about federal elections somehow ended up in a NYC court after the FEC and DOJ passed on it.
Logically speaking, even if you and I could agree that neither of us understood why that was the case, that wouldn't mean that a legitimate reason does not exist, just that we aren't aware of it and are unable to conceive of it. Simply adding more people to the incredulity doesn't alleviate the fallacy.

That said, he wasn't charged for violating federal election law, so the fact the FEC and DOJ didn't charge him is a non-sequitur. FEC and DOJ have no jurisdiction with respect to the laws of the state of New York.
No, nor does it mean it isn't.
Agreed. So that means we can't draw a conclusion absent other evidence, right? And, I'll state before you get there, the opinions of various talking heads who were not involved in it do not count as evidence.
 
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Ah, so you're also in the "they only had two things" camp, when that is demonstrably false.
Ah, no, I am in the camp that when two of the major witnesses are proven to lie about the defendant, that should create reasonable doubt in a neutral jury.

That said, he wasn't charged for violating federal election law, so the fact the FEC and DOJ didn't charge him is a non-sequitur. FEC and DOJ have no jurisdiction with respect to the laws of the state of New York.
That was my point, JM. He wasn't charged with violating fed election law although the alleged crime (whatever it was) was alleged to take place in conjunction with and because of the federal election. Even more reasonable doubt for a neutral jury.

Agreed. So that means we can't draw a conclusion absent other evidence, right?
Wrong. I and millions of others drew a conclusion from the OJ case that was contrary to the verdict, and I am drawing a similar conclusion from this absurd case that is certain to be overturned, but not until after the election - which was the political plan of the desperate Crow administration in the first case.

This case is to the 2024 election as the fake letter from 51 "intelligence experts" was to the 2020 election.
 
Ah, no, I am in the camp that when two of the major witnesses are proven to lie about the defendant, that should create reasonable doubt in a neutral jury.
Unless, of course, their testimony is corroborated by other witnesses, documents, emails, text messages, recordings, etc., right? Or maybe the defense just did a bad job of convincing the jury that those lies indicated that the testimony was unreliable? Maybe even more so when those proven lies from said witnesses were made to benefit the defendant, when either working for him or subject to an NDA that would require said lie?

And what reason do we have to believe that the jury was not neutral? Them simply coming up with a verdict with which you disagree doesn't get you there. Is it simply because they came from a largely democratic area? Are people who vote for democrats not capable of being impartial? Were all the jurors even democratic voters? I mean, you're aware the defense had the opportunity to dismiss jurors they didn't believe could be impartial, yes?
That was my point, JM. He wasn't charged with violating fed election law although the alleged crime (whatever it was) was alleged to take place in conjunction with and because of the federal election. Even more reasonable doubt for a neutral jury.
That makes no sense. THIS trial didn't have anything to do with federal election law. He was charged with violation NY state law, so whether or not he violated federal law has no relevance.
So, again, you're admitting to drawing conclusions despite a lack of evidence. Again, at least you're consistent.
I and millions of others drew a conclusion from the OJ case that was contrary to the verdict,
That doesn't mean said conclusion was actually justified, although the later civil trial and his subsequent behavior would certainly point that way. But also, the jury didn't say he was innocent. They could've, in fact, believed he was guilty, but were forced to find not guilty based on the high standard required to rule he was guilty.
and I am drawing a similar conclusion from this absurd case that is certain to be overturned,
Quite the claim. On what grounds do you know it will be overturned?
but not until after the election - which was the political plan of the desperate Crow administration in the first case.
Evidence that such a plan exists? Yet again, you're making very confident statements of what you believe as if you are certain you are correct (like that I am JM) despite little to no evidence existing that supports your position.

And I want to be clear here. You're certainly welcome to believe the things you've stated here. I'm just trying to ascertain how you can be so confident when there isn't actually any evidence you can point to.
 
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Yet again, you're making very confident statements of what you believe as if you are certain you are correct (like that I am JM) despite little to no evidence existing that supports your position.

JM was busted on this forum for (1) lying to support an argument about Biden, and (2) ridiculing grieving Gold Star families. I bumped his own posts as proof when he denied both, shortly after which he vanished from the forum – presumably in shame, if such a demented person could feel shame. Shortly after that, a new poster showed up, with similarly pompous, lengthy posts of which your post above is an example.

Since you claim not to be JM, do you agree with me that only a truly despicable, morally bankrupt person could be responsible for items 1 and 2 as listed - and then denying them when called out?
 
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