JuCo Defensive Tackles

[Bullwhip Griffith]

I can't find much on JuCo beyond the top 100 ones.

Another service has five Purdue are at least looking at (allegedly)

Just by sheer numbers, Purdue may need to take two.

I can't link my search correctly, but you can set the filters to show JuCo, Purdue, DT

http://www.scout.com/junior-college...-def tackle-prospects?league=JUCO&team=Purdue

 

[ChuckJr]

Thanks Been wondering about this myself. This is a CRITICAL need.

 

[Wolegib]

who is the juco offensive lineman that keeps appearing in the headlines as a possible signing as a picture , but GBI won't provide a name?

 

[TheBoris]

Paraphrasing some coach who I cannot recall, "JUCOs are in junior college for a reason and that reason is usually not good".

 

[boilerpt]

who is the juco offensive lineman that keeps appearing in the headlines as a possible signing as a picture , but GBI won't provide a name?

http://www.vvdailypress.com/sports/...colleges-anthony-palomares-named-all-american

 

[nat100]

Paraphrasing some coach who I cannot recall, "JUCOs are in junior college for a reason and that reason is usually not good".

Generally agree

There are exceptions but I'm not a huge fan of jucos

 

[Wolegib]

My opinion of jucos is that they should be signed with the idea that they will be immediate starters, and not require additional development. You should not sign a juco just to provide depth. They should be smart and experienced enough that it should take them minimal time to learn our system. After two years, the juco's first year at Purdue is as a junior - and I sure expect a junior if he is worth anything to start! if a junior can't start, he's not worth offering a scholarship. Unfortunately, I have witnessed Purdue sign several jucos who were not better than the freshmen we signed at their position, and basically provided back-up roles. To me that's a waste of a scholarship.

 

[boiledmeconium]

My opinion of jucos is that they should be signed with the idea that they will be immediate starters, and not require additional development. You should not sign a juco just to provide depth. They should be smart and experienced enough that it should take them minimal time to learn our system. After two years, the juco's first year at Purdue is as a junior - and I sure expect a junior if he is worth anything to start! if a junior can't start, he's not worth offering a scholarship. Unfortunately, I have witnessed Purdue sign several jucos who were not better than the freshmen we signed at their position, and basically provided back-up roles. To me that's a waste of a scholarship.

Agreed. Hazell's JUCO players were all projects, with the lone exception being Domo. Remember that 400lb lineman he signed who only played ST? Total wastes.

 

[boiler800]

Agreed. Hazell's JUCO players were all projects, with the lone exception being Domo. Remember that 400lb lineman he signed who only played ST? Total wastes.

Remember David Hedelin who started all but 1 game? When you need immediate help, it can be found in the Juco market. I'm not a big Juco fan either, but in this situation, I am a fan. We'll have at least 2 Juco starters on each side next year. We need them now.

 

[boiledmeconium]

Remember David Hedelin who started all but 1 game? When you need immediate help, it can be found in the Juco market. I'm not a big Juco fan either, but in this situation, I am a fan. We'll have at least 2 Juco starters on each side next year. We need them now.

Ah, yes, Hedelin was good. I don't disagree with you, we need JUCOs now, but they must be projected starters, not depth, as Wolegib said. Might as well invest in a freshman for depth, than waste scholarships on JUCOs that won't play.

 

[boiler800]

Ah, yes, Hedelin was good. I don't disagree with you, we need JUCOs now, but they must be projected starters, not depth, as Wolegib said. Might as well invest in a freshman for depth, than waste scholarships on JUCOs that won't play.

I agree with you, however a JUCO with 3 years of eligibility(like Williams) are often better than a HS recruit with 4 years, and a JUCO with 4 yrs to play 3 (like Higgins) gives you some developmental time. I'm not for wasting scollies on JUCO's who won't play, but this year we have to fill some gaps and not all of them will play, but this year we need depth as well and we need guys who can play if needed.

 

[boiledmeconium]

Ah, yes, Hedelin was good. I don't disagree with you, we need JUCOs now, but they must be projected starters, not depth, as Wolegib said. Might as well invest in a freshman for depth, than waste scholarships on JUCOs that won't play.

I agree with you, however a JUCO with 3 years of eligibility(like Williams) are often better than a HS recruit with 4 years, and a JUCO with 4 yrs to play 3 (like Higgins) gives you some developmental time. I'm not for wasting scollies on JUCO's who won't play, but this year we have to fill some gaps and not all of them will play, but this year we need depth as well and we need guys who can play if needed.

No, that's the problem with recruiting JUCOs heavily: you need JUCOs to play immediate or starting roles, then you start looking at JUCOs for depth because you have none. Well, eventually you're recruiting all JUCOs and few HS players resulting in unbalanced classes. You build depth by recruiting and developing HS players to fill those gaps in hopes that they become starters in the future. I would rather have a Freshman earn minutes in a backup role so he can develop into a great player his JR and SR years. Whereas if you have JUCOs backing up JUCOs, they'll all leave together and leave you with lack of starters and lack of depth, again. What you say is an endless cycle of constantly plugging holes every 2 years, where we should instead be strengthening the whole structure of the program by investing in a pipeline of players 4-5 years deep.

 

[Wolegib]

my thoughts are that every player you recruit, you should recruit thinking that player can contribute immediately. Successful teams don't recruit projects and hope they are contributors their senior year. Look at IU with Cronk and Knight. they both made contributions as freshmen. Look at Jones and Bentley for Purdue and Elliot for OSU. They contributed immediately. Admittedly with 85 guys, not everybody can start.. but if you recruit players with the potential to start, you don't have to worry about your drop-off if somebody is hurt, or giving players a breather and keeping them fresh. In today's big time $$$ college football, successful teams find players who are already developed. that can be juco or high school. Successful teams are not afraid of starting freshmen. Talent rises to the top. Look at Jones, Blough, and Bentley! .

 

[nat100]

I agree with you, however a JUCO with 3 years of eligibility(like Williams) are often better than a HS recruit with 4 years, and a JUCO with 4 yrs to play 3 (like Higgins) gives you some developmental time. I'm not for wasting scollies on JUCO's who won't play, but this year we have to fill some gaps and not all of them will play, but this year we need depth as well and we need guys who can play if needed.

When are jucos with 3 years better than a hs recruit? It is better for you program to find hs kids.

 

[boiler800]

When are jucos with 3 years better than a hs recruit? It is better for you program to find hs kids.

Mykelti Williams is better than any HS kid. The vast majority of the time you are right, but not always. Which HS kid di you have in mind instead of Williams?

 

[nat100]

Mykelti Williams is better than any HS kid. The vast majority of the time you are right, but not always. Which HS kid di you have in mind instead of Williams?

Thats one. You said OFTEN.

 

[StateStreet123]

I can't find much on JuCo beyond the top 100 ones.

Another service has five Purdue are at least looking at (allegedly)

Just by sheer numbers, Purdue may need to take two.

I can't link my search correctly, but you can set the filters to show JuCo, Purdue, DT

http://www.scout.com/junior-college-football/2017-football-def tackle-prospects?league=JUCO&team=Purdue

Thanks for the link, Bullwhip.

My thoughts on the D-line for next year...

DE Bentley
DT: Gelen Robinson
DT: Lorenzo Neal
DE: Larkin

And while I'm at it.... linebackers:
Marcus Bailey
Ezechuwkwu
Jarrell White (see what I did there?)

Corner
Hunte
Jallow

Safety
Mykelti Williams (couldnt contain myself)
Mosely or Parker

 

[nat100]

Everything i have seen has said White is a safety.

I would agree that Bentley might be better at DE, but i doubt the switch happens. Ezechukwu makes more sense with his hand in the dirt.

 

[Wolegib]

I keep reading white being projected and recruited as a safety. But he played lb and running back in high school and was decent at both, and Purdue is kind of thin at those positions as well.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Thanks for the link, Bullwhip.

My thoughts on the D-line for next year...

DE Bentley
DT: Gelen Robinson
DT: Lorenzo Neal
DE: Larkin

And while I'm at it.... linebackers:
Marcus Bailey
Ezechuwkwu
Jarrell White (see what I did there?)

Corner
Hunte
Jallow

Safety
Mykelti Williams (couldnt contain myself)
Mosely or Parker

Gelen Robinson is not cut out to be a DT. He'll get run over in the BIG West. White will not be a starter at LB. No way. I think Bentley stays at LB.

 

[nips18]

IF one of the LBs is moved to the DL, I could see Parker maybe sliding to LB.

If Holt is the DC, he likes speed over size on D.

 

[nat100]

I keep reading white being projected and recruited as a safety. But he played lb and running back in high school and was decent at both, and Purdue is kind of thin at those positions as well.

Purdue isnt thin at rb. Jones, lankford, worship and Knox returning.

Safety was mentioned by him in articles

 

[nips18]

If he were to play RB and redshirt, all of them would be upperclassmen during his first year to play.

I think he will play D if he comes to Purdue to help with getting better athletes on that side of the ball.

 

[Wolegib]

Yes Purdue has running backs on the team. But none really as part of this recruiting class. Maybe Alstott because he's run as a QB. And that other athlete who is being looked at as a kick returner.

What I'm saying is if we do not sign a RB, White's versatility and experience at the position could lend some depth.

Looking at the Packers, they didn't draft Montgomery to be their starting RB, but his versatility and athleticism has sure paid off. The same applies to White. I'm not sure what his best position at Purdue will end up being. But I see him as a must recruit.

 

[nips18]

I don't anticipate the munchkin commit from GA to sign in February. Too small, with the addition of the guy from SC enrolling early. Do not need two munchkins in one class. Brohm will try to add a juco speedster and some bigger high school WR's.

 

[nat100]

I don't anticipate the munchkin commit from GA to sign in February. Too small, with the addition of the guy from SC enrolling early. Do not need two munchkins in one class. Brohm will try to add a juco speedster and some bigger high school WR's.

Perry?

 

[Wolegib]

As for JuCo defensive ends, Brohm recruited one named Sharpe who had offers from Miss St and Alabama to WKU. When Brohm left, he decommitted to re-open his recruitment. I have doubts about the Alabama offer, but he was a very highly sought after 3* with several other power 5 school offers who is still looking for a home. If Holt is named D.C., a relationship has already been established.

And this is where I have confidence and high expectations. I have to believe Holt made relationships with many athletes who liked Holt, but didn't want to play at WKU. If you give Holt and the opportunity to play in the BIG 10, I believe some of the remaining uncommitted players will sign with us.

 

[PaBoiler78]

As for JuCo defensive ends, Brohm recruited one named Sharpe who had offers from Miss St and Alabama to WKU. When Brohm left, he decommitted to re-open his recruitment. I have doubts about the Alabama offer, but he was a very highly sought after 3* with several other power 5 school offers who is still looking for a home. If Holt is named D.C., a relationship has already been established.

And this is where I have confidence and high expectations. I have to believe Holt made relationships with many athletes who liked Holt, but didn't want to play at WKU. If you give Holt and the opportunity to play in the BIG 10, I believe some of the remaining uncommitted players will sign with us.

I'd like to see Jujuan Jones to flip from WKU. Nuss another DE over there decommitted the other day.

 

[boiler800]

I'd like to see Jujuan Jones to flip from WKU. Nuss another DE over there decommitted the other day.

Nuss was committed as an OL to WKU. Jones looks great on film.

 

[Wolegib]

there was a tweet today about 4* DE Harris who decommitted from Central Florida visiting Purdue on 14 January. he also has offers from Baylor, Ol Miss and a couple of other power 5 schools. We made his top 5.

 

[pu79]

there was a tweet today about 4* DE Harris who decommitted from Central Florida visiting Purdue on 14 January. he also has offers from Baylor, Ol Miss and a couple of other power 5 schools. We made his top 5.

Harris had 29 sacks his senior year. I heard if LSU offers he accepting and the article I read said LSU is likely to offer since Orgeron loves the way Harris plays. I really hope we can land him. Sounds like a really good player. Hopefully we have our staff set by then because I'm sure he'd be interested in who his D.C. And positional coach will be.

 

[Boiler1313]

http://www.vvdailypress.com/sports/...colleges-anthony-palomares-named-all-american

Thanks for the link

 

[Wolegib]

DE Mason - former Purdue recruit who decommitted has tweeted he is now down to his final two schools: Toledo and Rutgers. he let it slip out he visited MSU and was waiting for an offer from MSU that never came. The Scouts site listed him as 6'6 , but only 220 pounds. he's got a huge frame, but would take a couple of years to add some meat and muscle.

 

[boiler800]

DE Mason - former Purdue recruit who decommitted has tweeted he is now down to his final two schools: Toledo and Rutgers. he let it slip out he visited MSU and was waiting for an offer from MSU that never came. The Scouts site listed him as 6'6 , but only 220 pounds. he's got a huge frame, but would take a couple of years to add some meat and muscle.

We rapidly replaced him with Hightower and upgrading to a 6'6" DE who weighs 35 lbs more and is more ready physically to contribute quickly. I liked Mason's height, frame and athleticism but I knew he had to redshirt. Given our circumstances of immediate need in different areas, a lot of recruits are going to see the field on day 1.