Izzo is going to get Painter fired ...

[BoilerBonz]

it's just that simple. Painter may be able to coach but his inability to land the kids he should be able to get will cost him his job soon enough, it's just a matter of time now. What a F---ing business to be in! I feel bad for Painter.

Oh, and thanks Rosie, once again, not. I don't want to see anymore GBI stories on him.

 

[jadeezra]

And how do you know Barnes wasn't trying to stall to get him to purdue????

 

[DrEss]

These so called Purdue ties over the last few years have not been very tight at all.
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[Heller]

The Purdue ties were two football and one basketball players. The two staffs aren't perceived even remotely similar particularly under Hope.

 

[seminolesboilers]

Agreed! If you can't recruit the elite player...you will not win big! Therefore...Painter...you are fired as Donald Trump would say.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Hope you don't have a Purdue degree......

stfu

 

[seminolesboilers]

bachelor...master...and phd. working on a post graduate...

 

[PU52Chevy]

great and good for you...president next?

you should win with your outlook.

Anyways...Boiler Up to those who believe.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

I find it interesting that to BELIEVE we have to settle! Painter may or may not be a fine individual outside the court but his recent track record of recruiting the best Indiana has has not even been average in the past 5 years or so! Everyone's choice to continue to believe that this will change, without change!

To quote an often used phrase, doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different outcome comes to mind!

Similar to the FB program, if we get another sub par Offensive year and Hazell sticks with the same Offensive Coordinator and staff it will lead to his firing. If Painter continues to lose the home recruiting battles and doesn't change his style or staff he will eventually suffer a similar fate.

Things will have to change with both the FB Program and with BB recruiting and/or Program or we will NEVER be anything but an average to below average team.....not a goal of any Boiler I know and it starts at the top.....BOT, Daniels, Burke, Hazell and Painter all have to do a much better job once they privately admit to themselves and each other that with regards to these two programs they have failed over the past 5 years! Yes FAILED!

This post was edited on 4/11 7:22 AM by ghostoffatjack

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by seminolesboilers:
bachelor...master...and phd. working on a post graduate...

Hahahaha...suuuuuuure
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[LSLBoiler]

Oh boy, another "smartest guy in the room" that has to make sure everyone knows it.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by seminolesboilers:
bachelor...master...and phd. working on a post graduate...

Hahahaha...suuuuuuure
Posted from Rivals Mobile

I find it hilarious how those simply attack anyone who doesn't subscribe to this pervasive "Group Think" paraded out like a trophy. This mentality of, "Say positive things....or we'll attack you personally, claim you're not a fan/alum, insult your lack of enough posts to deserve legitimacy, call you a troll or any other insult we can dig up", is pathetic. It doesn't matter how logically I think my thoughts out, or the style that I write them, if it isn't rainbows and puppy dogs heaping almighty praise on your God Painter, then it's beaten down. Pretty adolescent behavior. Maybe you should have paid more attention in class and learned those critical thinking skills? How about the next time you read a post you disagree with....you counter with something mature? Or, is that just too much to ask from you guys?

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by boiler-deuce:

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by seminolesboilers:
bachelor...master...and phd. working on a post graduate...

Hahahaha...suuuuuuure
Posted from Rivals Mobile

I find it hilarious how those simply attack anyone who doesn't subscribe to this pervasive "Group Think" paraded out like a trophy. This mentality of, "Say positive things....or we'll attack you personally, claim you're not a fan/alum, insult your lack of enough posts to deserve legitimacy, call you a troll or any other insult we can dig up", is pathetic. It doesn't matter how logically I think my thoughts out, or the style that I write them, if it isn't rainbows and puppy dogs heaping almighty praise on your God Painter, then it's beaten down. Pretty adolescent behavior. Maybe you should have paid more attention in class and learned those critical thinking skills? How about the next time you read a post you disagree with....you counter with something mature? Or, is that just too much to ask from you guys?

No I doubt his statement based off of other posts he has made on here. Has nothing to do with basketball. Someone with his supposed education wouldn't make posts like he has in the past.

That aside, I don't care if people agree with my point of view or not. Never have, never will. When I start "attacking" as it were is when some poster only delivers an attack themselves with no substance behind it (see c3po). I'm all for a logical discussion of things but that is not possible on here because all too often emotional rantings ... on both sides... takes over

Take your post for example, nothing was directed at you yet you somehow felt the need to respond specifically to me on an unrelated matter with bakhanded insults about taking critical thinking classes and such. So perhaps you should take some of your own advice before you go around giving out advice to others. I generally don't have a problem with you, but you are off on this one.

This post was edited on 4/11 7:20 AM by BBG

 

[boiler-deuce]

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by boiler-deuce:

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by seminolesboilers:
bachelor...master...and phd. working on a post graduate...

Hahahaha...suuuuuuure
Posted from Rivals Mobile

I find it hilarious how those simply attack anyone who doesn't subscribe to this pervasive "Group Think" paraded out like a trophy. This mentality of, "Say positive things....or we'll attack you personally, claim you're not a fan/alum, insult your lack of enough posts to deserve legitimacy, call you a troll or any other insult we can dig up", is pathetic. It doesn't matter how logically I think my thoughts out, or the style that I write them, if it isn't rainbows and puppy dogs heaping almighty praise on your God Painter, then it's beaten down. Pretty adolescent behavior. Maybe you should have paid more attention in class and learned those critical thinking skills? How about the next time you read a post you disagree with....you counter with something mature? Or, is that just too much to ask from you guys?

No I doubt his statement based off of other posts he has made on here. Has nothing to do with basketball. Someone with his supposed education wouldn't make posts like he has in the past.

That aside, I don't care if people agree with my point of view or not. Never have, never will. When I start "attacking" as it were is when some poster only delivers an attack themselves with no substance behind it (see c3po). I'm all for a logical discussion of things but that is not possible on here because all too often emotional rantings ... on both sides... takes over

Take your post for example, nothing was directed at you yet you somehow felt the need to respond specifically to me on an unrelated matter with bakhanded insults about taking critical thinking classes and such. So perhaps you should take some of your own advice before you go around giving out advice to others.

Look, I didn't really specify this was a direct comment to you. But, it seems pretty typical. I didn't intend to fire you up and start some personal battle. It's just getting old that the "Good Ole Boys" can't tolerate a dissenting thought. I'm pretty upset with Painter, but I don't just get on here and destroy him without reasons why I'm railing.

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by boiler-deuce:

.

Look, I didn't really specify this was a direct comment to you. But, it seems pretty typical. I didn't intend to fire you up and start some personal battle. It's just getting old that the "Good Ole Boys" can't tolerate a dissenting thought. I'm pretty upset with Painter, but I don't just get on here and destroy him without reasons why I'm railing.

Na I don't take things seriously enough on here to ever take things personal. And like I said I have zero problem with people being critical of Painter, I mean NO coach is without issues of some sort. It's all about the delivery to me. If you're (Not you .. in general) going to act like a douche, I will treat you as such and write you off as a a emotional thinker and move on.

I'm very much a "wait and see" person because it is impossible for those of us not associated with the staff or the players to know every inside scoop or whatever. We had a similar situation at the beginning of the season where quite a few low-post count people spouted that we wouldn't make the tourney or beat anyone ever again ... well .. the exact opposite happened.

My biggest issue with a few of the "haters" is that they make it sound like we have no talent left. When in fact we are actually quite loaded. And to me this is "make or break" for Painter in my eyes over the next couple years because the players left are pretty good players and some were probably under rated coming out of high school.

It's like this, things are never as bad ... nor as good ... as people think. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Painter I think is still learning that as well. He'll make mistakes along the way and it is what he does after those mistakes that will tell us what kind of a coach he is. And the "all in" on Swanigan was a good first step. It didn't pan out, but with that type of effort, it will.

Okay .. coffee ramble done.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by boiler-deuce:

.

Look, I didn't really specify this was a direct comment to you. But, it seems pretty typical. I didn't intend to fire you up and start some personal battle. It's just getting old that the "Good Ole Boys" can't tolerate a dissenting thought. I'm pretty upset with Painter, but I don't just get on here and destroy him without reasons why I'm railing.

Na I don't take things seriously enough on here to ever take things personal. And like I said I have zero problem with people being critical of Painter, I mean NO coach is without issues of some sort. It's all about the delivery to me. If you're (Not you .. in general) going to act like a douche, I will treat you as such and write you off as a a emotional thinker and move on.

I'm very much a "wait and see" person because it is impossible for those of us not associated with the staff or the players to know every inside scoop or whatever. We had a similar situation at the beginning of the season where quite a few low-post count people spouted that we wouldn't make the tourney or beat anyone ever again ... well .. the exact opposite happened.

My biggest issue with a few of the "haters" is that they make it sound like we have no talent left. When in fact we are actually quite loaded. And to me this is "make or break" for Painter in my eyes over the next couple years because the players left are pretty good players and some were probably under rated coming out of high school.

It's like this, things are never as bad ... nor as good ... as people think. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Painter I think is still learning that as well. He'll make mistakes along the way and it is what he does after those mistakes that will tell us what kind of a coach he is. And the "all in" on Swanigan was a good first step. It didn't pan out, but with that type of effort, it will.

Okay .. coffee ramble done.

Note taken.

 

[spradecki]

why do you think painter has such a hard time getting recruits to your liking?
is it the school or is it painter? painter's personality or style of play? will he be able to recruit better with more success?
or is he never going to be able to recruit?

just curious what some venerable posters think

This post was edited on 4/11 8:27 AM by spradecki

 

[IndySouthsider]

What I find funny is that while Izzo has a track record for final fours. Since when did finishing 4th become so great. He is lousy in the final four and usually out coached each and every time. With the players he gets he has under achieved tremendously.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Seems bit of a stretch for an argument.
Don't think many would say msu underperformed this year.
And 4th is still far better than 350+ other d-1 schools.
Have to be in final four to win it.
I'd take bo Ryan's success let alone izzo's.
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[DaGreenLantern]

You wish you had a Tom Izzo as your coach!!!

 

[Heller]

The only real thing here is the question of whether Painter needs to change his image and/or style of coaching.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Originally posted by IndySouthsider:
What I find funny is that while Izzo has a track record for final fours. Since when did finishing 4th become so great. He is lousy in the final four and usually out coached each and every time. With the players he gets he has under achieved tremendously.

As we go "One and done" and haven't even sniffed the Final4 since The Big Dog, we muster the audacity to turn our nose up at that? Wow

 

[Heller]

Originally posted by IndySouthsider:
What I find funny is that while Izzo has a track record for final fours. Since when did finishing 4th become so great. He is lousy in the final four and usually out coached each and every time. With the players he gets he has under achieved tremendously.
As we go "One and done" and haven't even sniffed the Final4 since The Big Dog, we muster the audacity to turn our nose up at that? Wow


I'd rather lose than become the cesspool of a program that Izzo runs.

 

[SKYDOG]

You are absolutely right. I feel bad for Painter, but the bottom line is recruiting. he is not getting the job done with upgraded facilities, more pay for assistants. High profile kids just don't want to play for him.

 

[Heller]

SKYDOG posted on 4/11/2015...

You are absolutely right. I feel bad for Painter, but the bottom line is recruiting. he is not getting the job done with upgraded facilities, more pay for assistants. High profile kids just don't want to play for him.


Is Painter capable of changing? That's the question.

 

[bell3191]

The cesspool of a program that a grand total of zero even remotely knowledgeable people have a bad thing to say about.....ok....

 

[Heller]

The cesspool of a program that a grand total of zero even remotely knowledgeable people have a bad thing to say about.....ok....


Rapists, thieves, Izzo berating faculty members, yes a cesspool. Plenty of people have a lot to say privately, but when you own the police, prosecutor, and other officials they ain't gonna go public. Everyone never had a bad word to say about Dean Smith or his fake classes and cash payments either.

 

[lbodel]

Do.
Not.
Even.
Start.
Comparing.
Our.
Basketball.
Program.
With.
Our.
Football.
Program.

#moron

 

[bell3191]

The rape case may have been mishandled, I'll grant you that, although there was never another issue from them since and the county prosecutor has a twenty year track record of placing a high priority on sexual assault cases and things of that nature. Take that for what you will. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't recall any theft issues with the bball team. And berating the faculty? You telling me that no other coach yells at faculty members for any reason

 

[SDBoiler1]

Painter will land top recruits once he starts winning in the BIG consistently again and makes deep NCAAT runs. Win and win big and they will come...

If we can land a PG like Ennis we'll be very good next season, with or without Swanigan. It will be even sweeter when we roll Sparty a time or two.

 

[Heller]

bell3191 posted on 4/11/2015...
The rape case may have been mishandled, I'll grant you that, although there was never another issue from them since and the county prosecutor has a twenty year track record of placing a high priority on sexual assault cases and things of that nature. Take that for what you will. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't recall any theft issues with the bball team. And berating the faculty? You telling me that no other coach yells at faculty members for any reason


Cleaves was arrested twice for essentially robbing stores. His punishment was a total of five minutes in lost playing time. There have been others where MSU athletes are not arrested or prosecuted. But believe what you want. And no, I don't think MSU is the only cesspool program but others are doing it too is a pretty weak defense.

 

[bell3191]

Cleaves was arrested once for a minor in poss. and the arrest for theft is cause he stole a 40oz beer, oh and he broke the lock on the cooler to get it. Not exactly a criminal mastermind. The reason these kids aren't getting prosecuted is because they're stupid college kids doing stupid college things. And the whole 'others are doing it too' was about coaches yelling at faculty which is no big deal at all unless someone tries to make it one

 

[boiler1987]

Originally posted by DaGreenLantern:
You wish you had a Tom Izzo as your coach!!!

I really don't.
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[StateStreet123]

Originally posted by Heller:
bell3191 posted on 4/11/2015...
The rape case may have been mishandled, I'll grant you that, although there was never another issue from them since and the county prosecutor has a twenty year track record of placing a high priority on sexual assault cases and things of that nature. Take that for what you will. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't recall any theft issues with the bball team. And berating the faculty? You telling me that no other coach yells at faculty members for any reason


Cleaves was arrested twice for essentially robbing stores. His punishment was a total of five minutes in lost playing time. There have been others where MSU athletes are not arrested or prosecuted. But believe what you want. And no, I don't think MSU is the only cesspool program but others are doing it too is a pretty weak defense.

Heller - you have to understand that some programs believe that UNLESS YOU ARE CONVICTED IN A COURT OF LAW, then whatever you were involved in was OK and not simply questionable conduct for which you should be disciplined.

Oh, another name to put out there for some controversy. JoePa ignoring what goes on around the program.

Hey, I really don't think many major college coaches cheat themselves. But there is a grey area coaches play in - some more than others. And that grey area is ignoring what others associated with the program do - some of which is very grey area Im sure.

Finally, and just because somebody opts out of the Cliff Alexander recruitment doesnt mean he doesnt play with fire...could just mean in this case it was a bit too hot.

This post was edited on 4/11 8:04 PM by StateStreet123

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by StateStreet123:

Originally posted by Heller:
bell3191 posted on 4/11/2015...
The rape case may have been mishandled, I'll grant you that, although there was never another issue from them since and the county prosecutor has a twenty year track record of placing a high priority on sexual assault cases and things of that nature. Take that for what you will. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't recall any theft issues with the bball team. And berating the faculty? You telling me that no other coach yells at faculty members for any reason


Cleaves was arrested twice for essentially robbing stores. His punishment was a total of five minutes in lost playing time. There have been others where MSU athletes are not arrested or prosecuted. But believe what you want. And no, I don't think MSU is the only cesspool program but others are doing it too is a pretty weak defense.

Heller - you have to understand that some programs believe that UNLESS YOU ARE CONVICTED IN A COURT OF LAW, then whatever you were involved in was OK and not simply questionable conduct for which you should be disciplined.

Oh, another name to put out there for some controversy. JoePa ignoring what goes on around the program.

Hey, I really don't think many major college coaches cheat themselves. But there is a grey area coaches play in - some more than others. And that grey area is ignoring what others associated with the program do - some of which is very grey area Im sure.

Finally, and just because somebody opts out of the Cliff Alexander recruitment doesnt mean he doesnt play with fire...could just mean in this case it was a bit too hot.

This post was edited on 4/11 8:04 PM by StateStreet123

You want to get even with shower fart? Simple, don't tip him when he delivers your pizza next time.

 

[TJBoiler]

Ghost that's been my point in my posts. I don't want Purdue to cheat. I don't expect Purdue to be Duke. But back in the 80's & most of the 90's Keady had a really good program going. Keady felt the pressure and started recruiting some players that ended up getting the program in trouble with the NCAA. Painter has had one good recruiting class that lead to some good teams.

I don't expect Matt Painter to fly to California to recruit a 4-5 star recruit. I expect him to recruit those kind of players in his own back yard. I don't expect Painter to get those players either. I DO EXPECT PAINTER to get at least one or two. Especially players with Purdue ties. Gary Harris was from the area and his Mom played basketball at Purdue. Dawson was considered a lock. These were players Painter took time and recruiting energy to recruit and in the end it was a waste of time.

That is a legit issue to complain and criticize about. Frankly Painter should stop recruiting these players and look for 3 star recruits with potential to be really good players.

I read posters on here saying Purdue is the Cubs, Purdue always the bridesmaid or other teams cheat in recruiting. IT DOESN'T HAVE to be like that. You make your own luck. Painter is a Knight, Keady disciple. These players today wanna play in the NBA. You need to refine your coaching to play that kind of basketball. YES defense wins but it was pathetic the way Purdue shot the 3 this past year. Painter's inability to land really good PG's says something. You have to have talent to win.

Really this goes all the way back to Keady's last couple years. It was obvious it was time for him to retire. Purdue did not want to let it go sideways. Keady I thought got a lil arrogant. Purdue was successful before Keady came to Purdue. Keady wouldn't go out nice unless he got some say in the new coach hiring. So Painter an ex player and now coach who had a similar philosophy was hired. It would have been interesting to see what a coach with an entire different philosophy on coaching had been fired.

 

[TJBoiler]

BBG I wrote some critical posts and mentioned yes I am a Notre Dame Football fan and you continued to bring that up when I was discussing Purdue Basketball. I would love to see Purdue go to the Final 4.

BBG when Bob Davie was at Notre Dame and Charlie Weiss was at Notre Dame I was making the same comments I have been making about Purdue Basketball right now. It was not just them but a change was needed in ND's athletic department. Frankly I wish Notre Dame would join the Big 10 in Football AND Basketball. It would be good for ND and the Big 10. But money talks louder.

ND got a new athletic director and the Priests running the school started to stay out of the athletic program. ND hired Kelly from Cincinnati U. I am pretty happy with Kelly as coach now and the Basketball team does what they want there. Make the Tournament. I do think Painter is a better coach then Mike Brey but Brey gets good talent at ND.

 

[seminolesboilers]

Well said TJBoiler...a change is needed here with no ties to Gene or his philosophy of coaching. Winning begins with recruiting...title contenders are made before the ball is tipped.

 

[PaBoiler78]

I listen to a lot of Philly sports radio talk and some stuff on here reminds me of what's going on w/ the Eagles. A lot of fans were good w/ Reid always getting them to the Playoffs and one Super Bowl. Seems that gets old w/ the fan base after some time. Well now w/ Kelley lots of changes are happening to try to take the franchise to a higher level and most fans are on board cause they are tired of the status quo.