IU's 2020 Season

[mathboy]

I hate when threads wander, so I thought I would take action and move the inappropriate discussion about IU off the Trey Kaufman thread. Hewre is the post from Trojan that tried to bend the thread to an IU discussion. I recommend not responding to his post within the Kaufman thread.

Race played 13 mpg last year, not 28-30.

Why did he play so little if he was good enough to carry the team this year? Seems like maybe he was fighting an injury or a conditioning issue. Still, I will be greatly surprised if Race becomes anything more than a 4 point per game guy. I can be way off base here because I no longer follow IU's team that closely. Maybe Race surprises, but I'd put my money on a different scenario.

I think that hoping freshmen can rescue IU's outside shooting is a risky approach. The game moves too fast for all but the very best freshmen, so for IU's season to hang on Leal or Hunter's shooting seems to indicate a rough season approaching.

 

[TrojanFan004]

I hate when threads wander, so I thought I would take action and move the inappropriate discussion about IU off the Trey Kaufman thread. Hewre is the post from Trojan that tried to bend the thread to an IU discussion. I recommend not responding to his post within the Kaufman thread.


Why did he play so little if he was good enough to carry the team this year? Seems like maybe he was fighting an injury or a conditioning issue. Still, I will be greatly surprised if Race becomes anything more than a 4 point per game guy. I can be way off base here because I no longer follow IU's team that closely. Maybe Race surprises, but I'd put my money on a different scenario.

I think that hoping freshmen can rescue IU's outside shooting is a risky approach. The game moves too fast for all but the very best freshmen, so for IU's season to hang on Leal or Hunter's shooting seems to indicate a rough season approaching.

I never said Race will carry the team. I think you are forgetting IU has two 5* players in their roster in TJD and Lander. TJD will carry the team this year and then Lander will the year after.

I agree that freshman should not be relied upon to be game changers for teams unless they are elite talent. I’ve seen many here suggest Purdue will be better than they were last year because of 4 freshmen.... just some food for thought.

 

[SIBoiler2]

I think this is Archie's make or break season. TJD and Brunk will be gone after his year although I believe Davis will struggle in the NBA if he hasn't developed a jumper. If Lander has a good enough season he may test the water as well. Meanwhile the Boilers are getting more stacked by the year.

 

[AAE09]

I never said Race will carry the team. I think you are forgetting IU has two 5* players in their roster in TJD and Lander. TJD will carry the team this year and then Lander will the year after.

I agree that freshman should not be relied upon to be game changers for teams unless they are elite talent. I’ve seen many here suggest Purdue will be better than they were last year because of 4 freshmen.... just some food for thought.

It might be pedantic, but TJD was not a 5* recruit.

 

[mathboy]

I never said Race will carry the team. I think you are forgetting IU has two 5* players in their roster in TJD and Lander. TJD will carry the team this year and then Lander will the year after.

I agree that freshman should not be relied upon to be game changers for teams unless they are elite talent. I’ve seen many here suggest Purdue will be better than they were last year because of 4 freshmen.... just some food for thought.

Keep in mind that 2 of those freshmen are actually redshirts that have practiced with the team for more than a year. They know the speed of the game and from all reports, are ready to contribute. I think Purdue will be more athletic this year than last. Yes, Eastern was a great athlete, but he was self-limited in using that athletic ability. The two red shirt freshmen do not seem to have that issue, based on early reports. We will see. The proof will be short coming.

 

[TrojanFan004]

Keep in mind that 2 of those freshmen are actually redshirts that have practiced with the team for more than a year. They know the speed of the game and from all reports, are ready to contribute. I think Purdue will be more athletic this year than last. Yes, Eastern was a great athlete, but he was self-limited in using that athletic ability. The two red shirt freshmen do not seem to have that issue, based on early reports. We will see. The proof will be short coming.

We will see.

 

[mathboy]

We will see.

By the way, I appreciate yor civility and patience when you post here. Thanks for your rational approach to this topic.

 

[Flot]

I hate when threads wander, so I thought I would take action and move the inappropriate discussion about IU off the Trey Kaufman thread. Hewre is the post from Trojan that tried to bend the thread to an IU discussion. I recommend not responding to his post within the Kaufman thread.


Why did he play so little if he was good enough to carry the team this year? Seems like maybe he was fighting an injury or a conditioning issue. Still, I will be greatly surprised if Race becomes anything more than a 4 point per game guy. I can be way off base here because I no longer follow IU's team that closely. Maybe Race surprises, but I'd put my money on a different scenario.

I think that hoping freshmen can rescue IU's outside shooting is a risky approach. The game moves too fast for all but the very best freshmen, so for IU's season to hang on Leal or Hunter's shooting seems to indicate a rough season approaching.

How many days has it been since IU beat Purdue?

 

[Pu71indy]

How many days has it been since IU beat Purdue?

3 viruses ago...

 

[bodog57]

I never said Race will carry the team. I think you are forgetting IU has two 5* players in their roster in TJD and Lander. TJD will carry the team this year and then Lander will the year after.

I agree that freshman should not be relied upon to be game changers for teams unless they are elite talent. I’ve seen many here suggest Purdue will be better than they were last year because of 4 freshmen.... just some food for thought.

I assume TJD will leave after this season, but I couldn't possibly know for sure. But, since Lander is like the top rated PG and is I believe 18 years old, unless he has a poor season, why would he be back next year?

 

[TrojanFan004]

I assume TJD will leave after this season, but I couldn't possibly know for sure. But, since Lander is like the top rated PG and is I believe 18 years old, unless he has a poor season, why would he be back next year?

TJD will likely be gone. Lander is supposed to be a Senior in high school this year. He won’t be getting the PT/touches this year to be a one and done. He isn’t thought to be a starter right now.

 

[bodog57]

TJD will likely be gone. Lander is supposed to be a Senior in high school this year. He won’t be getting the PT/touches this year to be a one and done. He isn’t thought to be a starter right now.

ok, does he know that?

 

[TrojanFan004]

ok, does he know that?

As he is on the team, I would think so.

 

[meenie]

Lander will start. What guards are better. Phinnesee and franklin can’t shoot. Leak and Calloway aren’t athletic enough to play in the big. Race and hunter both averaged around 3 points last year.

 

[Level 42]

Who cares about IU? We would be better served not talking about them at all and feeding their obsession with us.

 

[TrojanFan004]

Lander will start. What guards are better. Phinnesee and franklin can’t shoot. Leak and Calloway aren’t athletic enough to play in the big. Race and hunter both averaged around 3 points last year.

The starting guards will be Phinisee and Durham. RP shot 33% from 3 and Durham shot 38%. The other 3 starters will likely be Hunter, TJD, and Race.

Leal* isn’t likely to play a lot this year along with Geronimo. Galloway will play some this year. I’m not sure anyone who has actually seen Galloway play would call him unathletic. There are shooting concerns, but athleticism is ready to go right now for Galloway.

 

[northside100]

TJD will likely be gone. Lander is supposed to be a Senior in high school this year. He won’t be getting the PT/touches this year to be a one and done. He isn’t thought to be a starter right now.

It will be interested to see how quickly Lander develops physically and mentally. I don’t know that the NBA is very concerned with PT / touches but understand that it could delay his development if he’s not ready to get on the court.

He’s clearly talented, it would seem that the sooner he’s able to grab minutes the better it is for IU, both short term and long term.

 

[Poprudy]

If IU can be coached well? I would think you would have Brunk/Race, TJD, Hunter, Durham and Phin. I believe once again, it will be knock down shooters and not enough bigs to get them out of trouble. Should be enough to get them in the tournament IMO.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

I hate when threads wander, so I thought I would take action and move the inappropriate discussion about IU off the Trey Kaufman thread. Hewre is the post from Trojan that tried to bend the thread to an IU discussion. I recommend not responding to his post within the Kaufman thread.


Why did he play so little if he was good enough to carry the team this year? Seems like maybe he was fighting an injury or a conditioning issue. Still, I will be greatly surprised if Race becomes anything more than a 4 point per game guy. I can be way off base here because I no longer follow IU's team that closely. Maybe Race surprises, but I'd put my money on a different scenario.

I think that hoping freshmen can rescue IU's outside shooting is a risky approach. The game moves too fast for all but the very best freshmen, so for IU's season to hang on Leal or Hunter's shooting seems to indicate a rough season approaching.

I always have thought Race is a player IU needs in the line up as much as they can. I'd love to see the kid, even with his health issues, in a Purdue uni.

 

[northside100]

I never said Race will carry the team. I think you are forgetting IU has two 5* players in their roster in TJD and Lander. TJD will carry the team this year and then Lander will the year after.

I agree that freshman should not be relied upon to be game changers for teams unless they are elite talent. I’ve seen many here suggest Purdue will be better than they were last year because of 4 freshmen.... just some food for thought.

The difference between IU and Purdue going into the season is around coaching and player development. Just going off of incoming freshmen and the performance of returning players from last season, I'd take IU in a heartbeat. The question becomes which staff does the better job of recruiting players that fit their system, developing returning players and putting newcomers in a position to succeed.

MP tends to get the benefit of the doubt because he's consistently (although not always) performed well on those fronts. Archie needs to show that he can succeed in those areas at IU.

 

[bonefish1]

By the way, I appreciate yor civility and patience when you post here. Thanks for your rational approach to this topic.

Screw that. POTFH

 

[TrojanFan004]

The difference between IU and Purdue going into the season is around coaching and player development. Just going off of incoming freshmen and the performance of returning players from last season, I'd take IU in a heartbeat. The question becomes which staff does the better job of recruiting players that fit their system, developing returning players and putting newcomers in a position to succeed.

MP tends to get the benefit of the doubt because he's consistently (although not always) performed well on those fronts. Archie needs to show that he can succeed in those areas at IU.

I agree. I have both IU and Purdue with a group of others (Michigan, Rutgers, Minnesota, OSU) in the 5-10 range. Those could go in any order based on development and the impact of newcomers.

 

[bonefish1]

The difference between IU and Purdue going into the season is around coaching and player development. Just going off of incoming freshmen and the performance of returning players from last season, I'd take IU in a heartbeat. The question becomes which staff does the better job of recruiting players that fit their system, developing returning players and putting newcomers in a position to succeed.

MP tends to get the benefit of the doubt because he's consistently (although not always) performed well on those fronts. Archie needs to show that he can succeed in those areas at IU.

In a heartbeat?

If Purdue can neutralize Davis, no other iu player concerns me. At the same time, Purdue is upgrading it's offense and shooting.
Haarms will be missed because I think he loved the rivalry game and really fed off it.

 

[northside100]

In a heartbeat?

If Purdue can neutralize Davis, no other iu player concerns me. At the same time, Purdue is upgrading it's offense and shooting.
Haarms will be missed because I think he loved the rivalry game and really fed off it.

You don't have to agree, but on paper Purdue loses a starter in Eastern and one of the best sixth men in the country in Haarms off of a team that went 9-11 in conference and was likely to miss the NCAAT. MP adds a bunch of freshmen and redshirt freshmen, none of whom ended up anywhere close to the top 50 in recruiting rankings.

If I'm an outsider looking in I see Tre, a guy with a history of conditioning issues who hasn't played more than 22mpg, as the centerpiece surrounded by a bunch of role players. I look at IU and see TJD as ready to make a sophomore leap after being solid in almost 30mpg last year and adding one of the top prep guards in the country to a team that was likely going to the NCAAT last year.

As a Purdue fan I see Newman, Ivey and Morton as three guys that MP really wanted, regardless of ranking, a center in Tre who can be one of the best rebounders and low post scorers in the country. Guys like Sasha and Hunter who look ready to step up, a 4 spot that seems like it has to be better than last year and a team that should be more focused and competitive. That view is driven by faith in MP being able to develop and integrate and his optimism for this team, I don't get that by just looking at the roster.

 

[TrojanFan004]

Not that any of you care, but last nights update suggested the starting lineup would be RP, Lander, Durham, TJD, and Race. Just thought I would update since I said something different yesterday.

 

[Hausta01]

Not that any of you care, but last nights update suggested the starting lineup would be RP, Lander, Durham, TJD, and Race. Just thought I would update since I said something different yesterday.

A little short on the wings.

 

[TrojanFan004]

A little short on the wings.

Agreed. Hopefully better spaced and better shooting as a result.

 

[northside100]

Not that any of you care, but last nights update suggested the starting lineup would be RP, Lander, Durham, TJD, and Race. Just thought I would update since I said something different yesterday.

It will be fun to see how Hunter and IT do on defense against Lander. For as much shit as Eastern caught on this board, I'd have loved to have seen him get a crack as well.

 

[meenie]

Lander won’t score against hunter

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

It will be fun to see how Hunter and IT do on defense against Lander. For as much shit as Eastern caught on this board, I'd have loved to have seen him get a crack as well.

Eastern was not a shooter. I cringed every time too he shot a FT. His passes could be iffy sometimes also. However, he was a great rebounder, including on the
and he was our defensive stopper.

On our team, I still say one of our players that could be key is Wheeler. I hope he regains his confidence and his play from a couple of years ago. With his size and athletic ability, he could be a wing. He could also help on the boards.

With Tre, the offense is obviously built around him, but he got into foul trouble so quickly in some games with silly fouls. We need him to be in the game more than ever, with Haarms gone, so I hope the silly fouls are a time of the past.

 

[northside100]

You don't have to agree, but on paper Purdue loses a starter in Eastern and one of the best sixth men in the country in Haarms off of a team that went 9-11 in conference and was likely to miss the NCAAT. MP adds a bunch of freshmen and redshirt freshmen, none of whom ended up anywhere close to the top 50 in recruiting rankings.

If I'm an outsider looking in I see Tre, a guy with a history of conditioning issues who hasn't played more than 22mpg, as the centerpiece surrounded by a bunch of role players. I look at IU and see TJD as ready to make a sophomore leap after being solid in almost 30mpg last year and adding one of the top prep guards in the country to a team that was likely going to the NCAAT last year.

As a Purdue fan I see Newman, Ivey and Morton as three guys that MP really wanted, regardless of ranking, a center in Tre who can be one of the best rebounders and low post scorers in the country. Guys like Sasha and Hunter who look ready to step up, a 4 spot that seems like it has to be better than last year and a team that should be more focused and competitive. That view is driven by faith in MP being able to develop and integrate and his optimism for this team, I don't get that by just looking at the roster.

Obnoxious to reply to my own post, but this write up has Purdue at 32nd in the country and middle of the pack in the conference, right behind IU and cites the same concerns around Tre being able to consistently carry the team and the rest of the team being just a supporting cast.

32. Purdue: Defensively, Purdue's going to slip a slot or 10 because it lost Matt Haarms and Nojel Eastern to transfer, which set Matt Painter's program off the path he was intending. Trevion Williams is now the guy for the Boilermakers, but I'm not so sure he can be an every-game star. Painter's won with different potions in the past, and I'd expect Sasha Stefanovic and Eric Hunter Jr. to be above serviceable in the Big Ten -- but they'll be pushed by two guys who could become wonderful four-year Boilermakers, freshman guards Jaden Ivey and Ethan Morton. I am boosting Purdue because of Painter's coaching shrewdness.

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[SIBoiler2]

So we had a thread about Trey Kaufman hijacked into an IU thread so now the IU thread has been hijacked into a Purdue thread. Makes sense to me.

 

[northside100]

So we had a thread about Trey Kaufman hijacked into an IU thread so now the IU thread has been hijacked into a Purdue thread. Makes sense to me.

All things come back to Purdue