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Probably Nebraska at home. IU should never lose to that type of a team in the hall of calls.

It's not the "Hall of Calls." We can't even get calls at home against Nebraska. Bottom line is that their team just isn't that good. Purdue will sweep them. Which will contribute to the ever gaining Tom Crean haters club.
 
Schools are going to be pretty empty in the southern half of the state after the holidays. Ventured over to the Rivals IU site. Looks like the Loosier faithful ate their young after last nights game.
 
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Beat Kansas on a neutral court.

Two bad losses...two huge wins.

I would agree with your point that they play/are much better at home in general, but they have only played one true road game thus far (the loss at IPFW).

The B1G as a whole is down, so they will be in the mix likely just for that reason...nobody saw the home loss to Nebraska coming, so hard to know if it was a blip or indicative of something more...only time will tell.

I have never been a Crean fan, but I thought he did a great job last year...and, despite his apparent shortcomings on the sidelines, the guy has always been able to recruit, and recruit at a high level (which has played a big part in overcoming said shortcomings).

They have all of the pieces to be capable of beating anyone on a given night, and they have already shown that with the wins over Kansas and UNC...but, they lost to two teams that were better prepared seemingly in IPFW and Butler, and then lost to a team that simply played harder and better tonight...IU's biggest weakness seemingly is their inability to get up for games that are not deemed big games in their mind.
Sorry, but IU's biggest weakness is the Clapping Fool prancing up and down the sidelines.
 
It's coaching. Crean never played the game at a level that mattered. He was Izzo's manager? He is a good recruiter, but he's a bad Xs and Os guy and has no feel for substitutions. He's IU's biggest problem. He has enough good players to be a real force, but his coaching will always end up costing his teams.
While I agree that his coaching is not a strength, as mentioned, I thought he did a very good job a year ago in that regard.

What level he played at is irrelevant...but he definitely has some shortcomings seemingly (and has, going back to his time at Marquette for that matter). I don't know that I agree that he is their biggest problem though...as I have long believed that Blackmon is the biggest problem, and I will never understand how/why they do not play through Bryant or take advantage of the literal advantage that he has more often than not.

I do believe that he has done some things that prevented IU from having the success that it should have in the past, and it appears to be the case again this year given what happened in the IPFW game and then last night.
 
While I agree that his coaching is not a strength, as mentioned, I thought he did a very good job a year ago in that regard.

What level he played at is irrelevant...but he definitely has some shortcomings seemingly (and has, going back to his time at Marquette for that matter). I don't know that I agree that he is their biggest problem though...as I have long believed that Blackmon is the biggest problem, and I will never understand how/why they do not play through Bryant or take advantage of the literal advantage that he has more often than not.

I do believe that he has done some things that prevented IU from having the success that it should have in the past, and it appears to be the case again this year given what happened in the IPFW game and then last night.
Huh, who would of guessed you would come out in even semi-support of crean and iu.
 
Crean is a lousy coach. The only person in America who doesn't see this is Fred Glass. But that may cost him his job as well.
 
I think Crean is pretty good at everything except coaching the games. Unfortunately for him, that's like saying a secretary is good at everything except taking phone messages. It is something that will always cost them games and likely prevent them from capitalizing on their talent to the fullest extent.
 
While I agree that his coaching is not a strength, as mentioned, I thought he did a very good job a year ago in that regard.

What level he played at is irrelevant...but he definitely has some shortcomings seemingly (and has, going back to his time at Marquette for that matter). I don't know that I agree that he is their biggest problem though...as I have long believed that Blackmon is the biggest problem, and I will never understand how/why they do not play through Bryant or take advantage of the literal advantage that he has more often than not.

I do believe that he has done some things that prevented IU from having the success that it should have in the past, and it appears to be the case again this year given what happened in the IPFW game and then last night.

They never played through Cody either. Creans offense doesn't use the post.
 
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I watched the last few minutes as did most of us thanks to the BTN's reluctance to open up one of there beloved alternate channels when games overlap. Lot of disarray, no real attention to the TanMan during timeouts, and the continued "I'll get mine first" offensive patterns. Not one guy looked like he was on a "team". Couple more losses like that one and the wheels could come off their season with what I saw in their eyes and on their faces.
 
I would agree with your point that they play/are much better at home in general, but they have only played one true road game thus far (the loss at IPFW).

Explain how IPFW was a road game and not a neutral site game. IPFW plays their home games at the Hilliard Gates Center. 99% of the crowd were IU fans. If that was a "true" road game Crean ain't gonna win a "really really really true" road game this year.
 
I watched the last few minutes as did most of us thanks to the BTN's reluctance to open up one of there beloved alternate channels when games overlap. Lot of disarray, no real attention to the TanMan during timeouts, and the continued "I'll get mine first" offensive patterns. Not one guy looked like he was on a "team". Couple more losses like that one and the wheels could come off their season with what I saw in their eyes and on their faces.
This is a young IU team in many ways. The most dangerous Crean teams are those with upper class players who decide on their own how to play the game, and ignore the coaching. That was why last year's IU team was pretty good. I think Yogi ran that team and not the coaching staff. It was uncharacteristically solid in the areas Crean is weak in. I recall thinking that one of the assistants took over the game coaching. Maybe not. Maybe it was the seniors.

In any case, I think Crean is a game or two away from losing this team. Maybe the assistants will pull it together.
 
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Explain how IPFW was a road game and not a neutral site game. IPFW plays their home games at the Hilliard Gates Center. 99% of the crowd were IU fans. If that was a "true" road game Crean ain't gonna win a "really really really true" road game this year.
It was technically a road game with 80% of the fans cheering for IU. They haven't played a real road game yet.
 
Explain how IPFW was a road game and not a neutral site game. IPFW plays their home games at the Hilliard Gates Center. 99% of the crowd were IU fans. If that was a "true" road game Crean ain't gonna win a "really really really true" road game this year.
Yes, my bad...it was a "road game" in that it was in Ft. Wayne, but you are absolutely right in that it was a neutral site game and that it was a virtual home game with respect to the crowd at least.

I knew that they played at the Coliseum, but, I admittedly forgot that it was not IPFW's "home" gym/court.

IU certainly has some issues...Crean being one of them...but there are others as well...that said, they have talent and quality depth as well...I am hard pressed to believe that they don't contend again for the B1G , as they are one of the better teams, and because the B1G is just not that good seemingly either.
 
His contract is up after next year I believe..and hasn't been extended yet to this point.
His contract is not up until 2020...so, it will have to be extended after this year if they do not fire him...his buyout drops from $4million to $1million on July 1st, so, it will be easy to decide at that point whether to let him go or to extend him.
 
Yes, my bad...it was a "road game" in that it was in Ft. Wayne, but you are absolutely right in that it was a neutral site game and that it was a virtual home game with respect to the crowd at least.

I knew that they played at the Coliseum, but, I admittedly forgot that it was not IPFW's "home" gym/court.

IU certainly has some issues...Crean being one of them...but there are others as well...that said, they have talent and quality depth as well...I am hard pressed to believe that they don't contend again for the B1G , as they are one of the better teams, and because the B1G is just not that good seemingly either.
You do realize the following don't you.....IU's 3rd best win is 258th Houston Baptist
 
You do realize the following don't you.....IU's 3rd best win is 258th Houston Baptist
I do realize that, but, that is a product of the approach to scheduling at IU since Crean arrived. That said, it is not tremendously different than the approach by Painter and Purdue right now either...Purdue did not schedule a true road non-conference game and played the likes of Morehead St. and Norfolk St. If Purdue had not beat ND, what would their third best win have been?

IU managed to get to play the likes of Kansas, UNC, Butler and Louisville in non-conference...all but the home UNC game at neutral sites...Purdue managed to get to play the likes of Villanova, Louisville, ASU and ND...with one of those at home and one a genuine road game...IU at least scheduled the Louisville game (and series) and made their way to Ft. Wayne for the IPFW game, but, they did not schedule anyone else...Purdue did not schedule anyone of consequence though, nor made any effort to play anyone away from home.

IU's RPI reflects their conscious scheduling decision...and it has hurt them in the past...to your point of your post though, their two best wins are as good as anybody else in the country.
 
Yes, my bad...it was a "road game" in that it was in Ft. Wayne, but you are absolutely right in that it was a neutral site game and that it was a virtual home game with respect to the crowd at least.

I knew that they played at the Coliseum, but, I admittedly forgot that it was not IPFW's "home" gym/court.

IU certainly has some issues...Crean being one of them...but there are others as well...that said, they have talent and quality depth as well...I am hard pressed to believe that they don't contend again for the B1G , as they are one of the better teams, and because the B1G is just not that good seemingly either.
If they give up 80+ points to lousy teams they won't win very many games. Blackmon plays zero defense and every coach in the league knows it.
 
If they give up 80+ points to lousy teams they won't win very many games. Blackmon plays zero defense and every coach in the league knows it.
Blackmon is the ultimate issue for/with IU...which is precisely why they were so much better a year ago when he went out.

Defense has been an issue for IU and Crean since he arrived...he has had some solid individual defenders, and was fortunate enough a year ago to have had a couple of them, which is why they had the ultimate success that they did.
 
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I do realize that, but, that is a product of the approach to scheduling at IU since Crean arrived. That said, it is not tremendously different than the approach by Painter and Purdue right now either...Purdue did not schedule a true road non-conference game and played the likes of Morehead St. and Norfolk St. If Purdue had not beat ND, what would their third best win have been?

IU managed to get to play the likes of Kansas, UNC, Butler and Louisville in non-conference...all but the home UNC game at neutral sites...Purdue managed to get to play the likes of Villanova, Louisville, ASU and ND...with one of those at home and one a genuine road game...IU at least scheduled the Louisville game (and series) and made their way to Ft. Wayne for the IPFW game, but, they did not schedule anyone else...Purdue did not schedule anyone of consequence though, nor made any effort to play anyone away from home.

IU's RPI reflects their conscious scheduling decision...and it has hurt them in the past...to your point of your post though, their two best wins are as good as anybody else in the country.
Didn't we face an up and coming Auburn team??
 
If I recall their RPI was ranked pretty decent and probably higher then IU's
 
Butler also lost to St. John's who was under .500 coming into the game.
 
This is a young IU team in many ways. The most dangerous Crean teams are those with upper class players who decide on their own how to play the game, and ignore the coaching. That was why last year's IU team was pretty good. I think Yogi ran that team and not the coaching staff. It was uncharacteristically solid in the areas Crean is weak in. I recall thinking that one of the assistants took over the game coaching. Maybe not. Maybe it was the seniors.

In any case, I think Crean is a game or two away from losing this team. Maybe the assistants will pull it together.
IU has four frosh and six Juniors and Seniors. The rest have all played in the system last year. But I do agree this is a team Crean loses before much longer.
 
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