iu week. First off.......
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Their delusional fan base has inbred cousins of IUs delusional fanbase.
When has Purdue had a losing record against in IU football or basketball? Purdue is in their rightful place and if history is any indication they will stay there.
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It's a very excellent program for coaches that want a good income for retirement and hope they keep the carousel moving. Painter, if he stays at Purdue, will have the program as one of the best jobs in all of college BB. IU's history only lives so long!
IU is a shitty program at this point (relatively speaking) but it's a good job because it will give you all the resources you need to be successful. They need someone to come in who has enough juice to come in with a guarantee of long-term support to build the program the right way without external interference.
Matt has built and continues to build a great program, but Purdue would only be a great job for a certain type of coach.
If Purdue can make a run this year, Painter's success will be at least a small deterrent for coaching candidates at IU. Prospective coaches look at all the factors and having a top 10 program coached by a guy in his prime at your biggest rival would give some pause....especially when combined with the disfunction that is the IU basketball program.
Kanas, UNC, Duke, Kentucky are probably the absolute best. I'd put Indiana in that same tier simply because you're going to get all the money resources those schools get. Now what you do with the job... That's been the problem. There is a second tier of Louisville, Syracuse, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Michigan, Illinois and others. Though Michigan is a tough one because of their academic standards. Howard had multiple recruits, HS and transfers, that couldn't get accepted. I don't even think Duke turns away as many.
That summarizes IU fandom. FWIW, I wouldn’t have the Purdue job as high as OSU, UM, UL, etc.
Speaking of UM and not getting recruits/transfers (I know we can add Nojel to that list) but has anyone heard the story about Johnell Davis? Heard his application for grad school was pretty pathetic.....
His stats and team performance are almost as bad.
Purdue clearly has the ability to put forth a really good program. Now what will life look like without Painter? No clue and won't find out for another 20 years probably. But things like that are tough. Look at UNC(2x), Indiana, Syracuse. Michigan State will be interesting to see. But Purdue has the support to be up there with the UMs and OSUs.
Yeah what Cal is doing at Arkansas is criminal…they aren’t a good team.
Lot of the high paid transfers this year have been disappointing.
If Matt keeps winning I think he passes the program over to an internal candidate much sooner than that. I’d be happy to get ten more good years.
Not sure how that will shake out. Obviously Izzo and MP himself are the gold standards there for internal transition.
Some of us believe Painter’s replacement is on the bench, PJ. I think he will need to go out and try and be the HC elsewhere though. He would need that experience I think before taking over.
I always assumed that Fife was next in line for Izzo’s seat until he took the IU job.
Think he'd retire at 64? I could see it if he gets tired of the new landscape of NIL etc. Like Bennett at Virginia.
Fife was never cut out for either job. 10 years ago? Maybe. New age of NIL? Absolutely not.
I don’t know if Painter falls victim to the brave new world of NIL. I’m optimistic Painter’s approach will hold up. Then again, if I could see the future, I’d be rich instead of posting on the message board.
I don't think he'd fully retire but I think he'd be interested in some type of college basketball commissioner office/board-type role. He's very vested in the overall well-being of the game at the college level.
think May would have been a good fit for you guys
Is it possible that Woodie gets resounding cheers this Friday night? 😮
100%. That’s his future in the NBA. I don’t watch enough iu basketball but I thought does play the 4 most of the time?
There are times they do. Galloway and Leal had their moments where they are locked in. Goode is most of the time. Cupps seemed too but he’s just not good. It’s the high priced transfers plus Mgbako and Renau that don’t.
No way and he’s actually coached against Purdue well. He even bragged about it last year that he had beaten Purdue 3 times and they went from losing 9 in a row when he arrived to a respectable 3-3 against us under woody.
Haha hilarious that in two of the wins…it took a career game from a freshman, which he promptly disappeared into the sun after that and even in the nba and another win had the local kid fro Lafayette come off the bench after shooting 28% all year from 3 and hit some big shots while Purdue didn’t play its best.
The one game that he did coach well was TJDs senior year at IU. I’ll give him that. But the other two, meh.
He was with Reneau out. With Reneau back, he is playing the 3.
Yea 3-3 isn't exactly something for him to hang his hat on. Hell Mike Davis killed Purdue in his time but it meant nothing.
it’s not, but he definitely bragged about it. This is the same guy who responded to a guy who asked what does he say about Illinois scoring 60 first half points for them with all we held them to only 34 points in the second half…
When “better than Archie Miller” is the brag it’s not going well.
As the OP said, there are so many reasons he won’t be Indiana’s coach as soon as this season is over. He’s lousy and he’s a dead man-coach walking. Kind of like football for both IU and Purdue; try and try again until hopefully they finally make a wise decision and get it right. Like Painter (or likely Cignetti), a good decision when finally made can have lasting excellent impact.
Not dumping him for May when IU had the chance was a monumental mistake. There are plenty of rising coaches that could be a great fit every year, but May was the perfect fit on multiple levels.
And yes; when Woody and IU get beat this Friday there will likely be some killer cheers for Woody in Mackey. If that doesn’t say it all I’m not sure what would. He’s not quite Walters bad, but given program expectations maybe he’s worse. Friday won’t hasten his exit however, because he’s already a complete goner.
Cignetti won’t be at IU for long if he keeps winning at a relatively high level.
Very much disagree; the relatively old-age thing, plus the $9 million salary, plus financial resources/commitment of IU really plays in IU's favor.
But I guess anything is possible.
I think the bigger question is how much success can IU expect moving forward? Was it a complete cultural shift that will lead to talent accumulation and competing for the top 3-4 of the B1G or did they find a perfect storm of really favorable schedule, finding the right transfer QB and a new scheme?
They've clearly embraced the 3 guaranteed win non-conference (Old Dominion, Kennesaw State and Indiana State in 2025?) so they should be in bowl contention but will that be with a 6-3 or 7-2 B1G record or a 4-5 B1G record?
Teams would be crazy to pass on him because of his age, but agree that the longer he stays at IU the larger the issue becomes. Best thing that might happen to IU is a couple of 7 or 8 win seasons the next two years that can keep the program humming without attracting the biggest dogs to poach him. If they can keep him two years, they might get another seven or eight after that.
IU's financial commitment will keep him from leaving for a marginally better job, but if a program with a legitimate shot of making a NC run comes along he'll be gone.
If they can play soft schedules and get to 8 or 9 wins and a middle-of-the-pack Big Ten finish on an annual basis, IU should be thrilled.
This reminds me of when tiller was brought to Purdue. Look at indianas recruits they are still MAC level. Indiana will settle into 6-8 win seasons like Purdue did with tiller, the fans will be complacent and stop showing up, and indiana will need to start making cuts to its program. Assistants will leave until Cignetti rides off into the sunset.
Maybe, but it hasn’t happened yet. IU is keeping 10 of the 11 assistants from this year, including both coordinators.
You’re absolutely correct that recruiting hasn’t happened yet at the level of SEC schools, but the portal additions are about as high end as it gets for the coming year.
By the way, if Indiana football could do as well as Tiller did at Purdue that would be pretty damn excellent for IU.
If you’re factoring in money, you’re on a tier under OSU, Michigan, and half the SEC.
I remember when we thought we got some high end portal additions last year. Multiple 4 star guys from big SEC schools. Not sure if any of them lived up to the hype. Obviously hard to know how much terrible coaching had to do with that.
The delusion and myopia in that huge Purdue thread is hysterical!
Page after page page of fiction about the Purdue-Indinia rivalry — an echo chamber of stupid.
