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IU coach Tom Allen fires OC (link)

I doubt it. Though I would make a call to the TE from Carmel. His position coach is gone, OC is gone, and offensive minded HC is gone. You'd have to think that Brohm's offense is appealing to TEs and WRs.
 
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Most likely Dan Werner who was let go from Ole Miss. He had the #1 Offense in the SEC in 2015. He was a scapegoat for Hugh Freeze. He got fired for only having the 32nd best offense in the country this season.
 
JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
Can anyone fill me in on Debord? Not sure I am familiar with him without looking it up and reading a decent amount.
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Time in Michigan is what made the name familiar. Not sure what to think about their hire as I haven't really watched Tennessee's offense but with Jones I would assume he throws it around a bit. But Debord doesn't appear to use a similar system that IU used under Wilson...which is what made IU some what relevant. I think IU's quick hire is one that may end up setting them back a bit and I'm not sold they have an ability to rebound as quickly (see early 90's to today).

I think IU saw that Allen was probably a top DC in the country (top 30 probably) and feared losing the one coach on their staff that could truly push IU over the hump as a coordinator and a good compliment to Wilson's offensive mind. Personally, I think this fear led to IU hiring Allen as their coach and hoping to find a good OC to pick up where Wilson left off...problem is that Wilson is probably a top 10 offensive mind in college football and the Debord hire doesn't really wow, IMO.
 
fkfootball said:
Most likely Dan Werner who was let go from Ole Miss. He had the #1 Offense in the SEC in 2015. He was a scapegoat for Hugh Freeze. He got fired for only having the 32nd best offense in the country this season.
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Thoughts on Debord?
 
JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
Time in Michigan is what made the name familiar. Not sure what to think about their hire as I haven't really watched Tennessee's offense but with Jones I would assume he throws it around a bit. But Debord doesn't appear to use a similar system that IU used under Wilson...which is what made IU some what relevant. I think IU's quick hire is one that may end up setting them back a bit and I'm not sold they have an ability to rebound as quickly (see early 90's to today).

I think IU saw that Allen was probably a top DC in the country (top 30 probably) and feared losing the one coach on their staff that could truly push IU over the hump as a coordinator and a good compliment to Wilson's offensive mind. Personally, I think this fear led to IU hiring Allen as their coach and hoping to find a good OC to pick up where Wilson left off...problem is that Wilson is probably a top 10 offensive mind in college football and the Debord hire doesn't really wow, IMO.
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Agree that Debord doesn't wow, but its seems like a safe short-term hire (reports are that he was considering retirement) which might be a good bet while Allen gets his feet wet as HC.
 
Tennessee fans are happy that this happened as somebody who lives currently in TN.
 
Tennessee scored 63, 55, 49, 45, 38, 38, 38, 34, 34, 28, 21, 20, and 10 (Bama) this year. They finished 12th nationally in passing S&P and 9th nationally in rushing S&P. 36 points per game isn't to bad. My guess is he is going to mentor Heard to become the next offensive coordinator. As long as they keep Mcullough and Frey in the stable I think this hire is solid.

Also, lets be real about fans today. Name me one fan base that doesn't complain about their play calling. Wilson was called a top 10 offensive mind in this thread and every week people were complaining about the offensive play calling. Even Alabama fans were glad to see Kiffin go and they haven't come close to losing a game all year. Pair DeBord with an improving defense with Allen in charge and I think we will be ok.
 
peytonrules said:
Tennessee scored 63, 55, 49, 45, 38, 38, 38, 34, 34, 28, 21, 20, and 10 (Bama) this year. They finished 12th nationally in passing S&P and 9th nationally in rushing S&P. 36 points per game isn't to bad. My guess is he is going to mentor Heard to become the next offensive coordinator. As long as they keep Mcullough and Frey in the stable I think this hire is solid.

Also, lets be real about fans today. Name me one fan base that doesn't complain about their play calling. Wilson was called a top 10 offensive mind in this thread and every week people were complaining about the offensive play calling. Even Alabama fans were glad to see Kiffin go and they haven't come close to losing a game all year. Pair DeBord with an improving defense with Allen in charge and I think we will be ok.
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Tennessee has real players who can compete. IU doesn't.
 
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peytonrules said:
Tennessee scored 63, 55, 49, 45, 38, 38, 38, 34, 34, 28, 21, 20, and 10 (Bama) this year. They finished 12th nationally in passing S&P and 9th nationally in rushing S&P. 36 points per game isn't to bad. My guess is he is going to mentor Heard to become the next offensive coordinator. As long as they keep Mcullough and Frey in the stable I think this hire is solid.

Also, lets be real about fans today. Name me one fan base that doesn't complain about their play calling. Wilson was called a top 10 offensive mind in this thread and every week people were complaining about the offensive play calling. Even Alabama fans were glad to see Kiffin go and they haven't come close to losing a game all year. Pair DeBord with an improving defense with Allen in charge and I think we will be ok.
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I've been surprised that Frey hasn't moved on by now. Seems like he has really done some good things with the line and player development. Has he had offers?
 
I am sure he has but since he as been OL coach at IU he met his wife and she is a life long Bloomington resident so I think he is pretty content here.
 
ahhculdee said:
UT fans were mad because he relied more on talent rather than coach skill. That won't work at Indiana.
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Regardless, they averaged 36 points per game. Somebody has to coordinate that talent to put them in position to score all those points right? Maybe if there defense wouldn't give up nearly 30 points a game they would have won more.
 
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Thoughts on Debord?
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It's a safe hire. Not a guy that will probably razzle dazzle and wow, but a guy that won't fall on his face. Had the 24th ranked scoring offense and the 33rd ranked red zone offense. Likes to run and use the intermediate and lateral passing game. Dan Werner may have been a better hire but this is a very similar hire.
 
fkfootball said:
Dumbest comment of the year. IU has been putting good offensive players into the NFL. You are by far the dumbest sports fan I have ever had the un-pleasure of reading.
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Wow. So IU has put a few...a few... into the NFL. So has Northwestern, Maryland, Purdue...okay, a few...and you call me dumb? Get over yourself and see how many UT has sent vs. how many IU has sent.
 
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Wow. So IU has put a few...a few... into the NFL. So has Northwestern, Maryland, Purdue...okay, a few...and you call me dumb? Get over yourself and see how many UT has sent vs. how many IU has sent.
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All you do is mouth off blasphemy about IU. At least the other Purdue fans on this board are willing to have a respectable discussion.
 
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Wow. So IU has put a few...a few... into the NFL. So has Northwestern, Maryland, Purdue...okay, a few...and you call me dumb? Get over yourself and see how many UT has sent vs. how many IU has sent.
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IU has put 7 offensive players in NFL in just the last 4 years, and with Feeney go this year. Which is more than Tenn in the same time span. I think IU's 2015 offense was probably just as if not more talented than Tennessee's the last 2 years.

Now, I think that there are certainly some concerns IU's QB talent moving forward, everything else on offense is solid. Find someway to get solid QB play (was going to be an issue had Wilson stayed), and IU's offensive talent is easily top half of the conference
 
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JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
Time in Michigan is what made the name familiar. Not sure what to think about their hire as I haven't really watched Tennessee's offense but with Jones I would assume he throws it around a bit. But Debord doesn't appear to use a similar system that IU used under Wilson...which is what made IU some what relevant. I think IU's quick hire is one that may end up setting them back a bit and I'm not sold they have an ability to rebound as quickly (see early 90's to today).

I think IU saw that Allen was probably a top DC in the country (top 30 probably) and feared losing the one coach on their staff that could truly push IU over the hump as a coordinator and a good compliment to Wilson's offensive mind. Personally, I think this fear led to IU hiring Allen as their coach and hoping to find a good OC to pick up where Wilson left off...problem is that Wilson is probably a top 10 offensive mind in college football and the Debord hire doesn't really wow, IMO.
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If Kevin Wilson is a top 10 offensive mind in college football, where does Jeff Brohm rank
JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
Time in Michigan is what made the name familiar. Not sure what to think about their hire as I haven't really watched Tennessee's offense but with Jones I would assume he throws it around a bit. But Debord doesn't appear to use a similar system that IU used under Wilson...which is what made IU some what relevant. I think IU's quick hire is one that may end up setting them back a bit and I'm not sold they have an ability to rebound as quickly (see early 90's to today).

I think IU saw that Allen was probably a top DC in the country (top 30 probably) and feared losing the one coach on their staff that could truly push IU over the hump as a coordinator and a good compliment to Wilson's offensive mind. Personally, I think this fear led to IU hiring Allen as their coach and hoping to find a good OC to pick up where Wilson left off...problem is that Wilson is probably a top 10 offensive mind in college football and the Debord hire doesn't really wow, IMO.
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JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
Time in Michigan is what made the name familiar. Not sure what to think about their hire as I haven't really watched Tennessee's offense but with Jones I would assume he throws it around a bit. But Debord doesn't appear to use a similar system that IU used under Wilson...which is what made IU some what relevant. I think IU's quick hire is one that may end up setting them back a bit and I'm not sold they have an ability to rebound as quickly (see early 90's to today).

I think IU saw that Allen was probably a top DC in the country (top 30 probably) and feared losing the one coach on their staff that could truly push IU over the hump as a coordinator and a good compliment to Wilson's offensive mind. Personally, I think this fear led to IU hiring Allen as their coach and hoping to find a good OC to pick up where Wilson left off...problem is that Wilson is probably a top 10 offensive mind in college football and the Debord hire doesn't really wow, IMO.
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JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
Time in Michigan is what made the name familiar. Not sure what to think about their hire as I haven't really watched Tennessee's offense but with Jones I would assume he throws it around a bit. But Debord doesn't appear to use a similar system that IU used under Wilson...which is what made IU some what relevant. I think IU's quick hire is one that may end up setting them back a bit and I'm not sold they have an ability to rebound as quickly (see early 90's to today).

I think IU saw that Allen was probably a top DC in the country (top 30 probably) and feared losing the one coach on their staff that could truly push IU over the hump as a coordinator and a good compliment to Wilson's offensive mind. Personally, I think this fear led to IU hiring Allen as their coach and hoping to find a good OC to pick up where Wilson left off...problem is that Wilson is probably a top 10 offensive mind in college football and the Debord hire doesn't really wow, IMO.
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If Kevin Wilson is a top 10 offensive mind in college football where does Jeff Brohm rank?
 
Spoke with some football coaches I know today. They think Allen is great for IU in the sense he his loved and respected by the high school coaches here BUT given that ND, OSU, Mich, and some SEC schools will cherry pick the elite talent from the state, it doesn't make much difference in their opinion for Purdue...as long as Brohm can get the other talent from the state (the Jason Werner's and the Ryan Kerrigan's...kids who are solid but not recruited as the first or second options for those bigger programs).

One of the coaches said that Allen recently said he wants to 'play defense and run the ball.' That coach also said that is a death trap as IU is really on the cusp of moving more forward (this high school coach has coaches D3 as well), so I take his opinion solidly. If Allen truly wants to do that, in the East division...coupled with Brohm's exciting offense, IU could sink faster and lead to a quicker rebuild for Purdue.
 
cautiouslyoptimistic said:
If Kevin Wilson is a top 10 offensive mind in college football, where does Jeff Brohm rank



If Kevin Wilson is a top 10 offensive mind in college football where does Jeff Brohm rank?
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Hard to argue that Wilson isn't a top 10 OC when he is scooped up less than a week after OSU's season ended. Don't forget that when he left OU as OC, he had some great offenses there and was probably the hottest OC. Really IU getting Wilson was a major coup for IU football at the time.

I would say Brohm is highly regarded as a disciple of Petrino and is known to have created and developed his own system that is some what unique. IMO, I would put Brohm top 20 with him still being relatively young.
 
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Spoke with some football coaches I know today. They think Allen is great for IU in the sense he his loved and respected by the high school coaches here BUT given that ND, OSU, Mich, and some SEC schools will cherry pick the elite talent from the state, it doesn't make much difference in their opinion for Purdue...as long as Brohm can get the other talent from the state (the Jason Werner's and the Ryan Kerrigan's...kids who are solid but not recruited as the first or second options for those bigger programs).

One of the coaches said that Allen recently said he wants to 'play defense and run the ball.' That coach also said that is a death trap as IU is really on the cusp of moving more forward (this high school coach has coaches D3 as well), so I take his opinion solidly. If Allen truly wants to do that, in the East division...coupled with Brohm's exciting offense, IU could sink faster and lead to a quicker rebuild for Purdue.
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I don't get why people think Wilson threw the ball all over the field. 2015 IU had 592 rush attempts to 456 pass attempts. Put sudfeld, Howard and springs in the NFL. This year IU had 534 rush attempts to 456 pass attempts. I just think it is a misconception that Wilson ran some throw it every down offense.
 
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