in the very few adn short videos of Vermont, Purdue should be in good shape
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Yes, but it says something to win that consistently, no matter who you're playing. That shows they probably aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot.
Have not watched Iowa State much this year but other than the dynamic point guard, the stuff you describe hasn't given us issues this year. I'm trying to think of games where a team has routinely beat us in transition and it doesn't seem to happen much, if at all. I suppose if they can turn us over a bunch that is where it would come but our turnovers tend to come from our big men when we have them. I'm not particularly worried about our guards throwing the ball away a bunch. We also usually do a pretty good job defending teams that like to shoot 3's. Penetration and defending the pick and roll is what gives us problems.
ALR and Vermont are not at all similar. ALR was known for its defense and press, which was not Purdue's strength. Purdue had a ton of turnovers and gave up 25 points off turnovers. However, even with that, it took 2 OTs to beat us - and we shot horribly from 3 and half of our shots were 3s.
Vermont is a team that doesn't shoot itself in the foot, basically. So we need to avoid high turnovers and shoot decently from 3. If we do that, we should be ok. Oh, and hope no one goes off on us slash they go gangbusters shooting 3s! lol
Not even worried about this game!! Period. 78-64......Haas should have 18 and Biggie will have 24...Vinnie 16....we will dominate underneath! These guys are gonna come out guns a blazzin ..........they know they have something to prove...
Swanigan and Haas will surely be double-teamed as soon as they catch the ball. Sometimes our bigs put the ball on the floor in that situation--bad idea. Hopefully they can get position deep enough that allows for a quick score or if not, quickly kick it out to the perimeter. If Swanigan and Haas can avoid turnovers, I like our chances.
Vermont regularly plays 10 deep, including 2 6'7 guys and 4 6'8 guys. I see them throwing bodies at Haas and Biggie. Dare the refs to keep calling fouls in the post. Prevent our guys from getting comfortable. They'll get some fouls but also some turnovers. And no foul trouble to worry about. Could affect Haas mentally.
In some video I watched they appear to be patient on offense and share the ball well. They also chase down a lot of their misses, which Michigan killed us with.
If we get a chance to get a lead and step on their throats, we need to capitalize. Otherwise this could be one of those games where we lose the lead and the momentum in the second half and get tight.
In some video I watched they appear to be patient on offense and share the ball well. They also chase down a lot of their misses, which Michigan killed us with.
If we get a chance to get a lead and step on their throats, we need to capitalize. Otherwise this could be one of those games where we lose the lead and the momentum in the second half and get tight.
It (zone) might have worked. My guess is both teams saw Purdue lose not necessarily because of their D but because they missed free throws with a lead. They also would match up better defensively than Purdue did. They just couldnt score like Purdue or Michigan. I would be more apt to use zone on Michigan with Minnesota personnel.
True but that was due to the same errors that allow running teams to run. Quick threes with long boards and turnovers. When we stopped being stupid they quit scoring.
yes, buy there are some that a zone is a magic word. Missed bunnies and FT misses were obvious issues...but can you imagine Wilson and Wagner being distracted with PJ, Spike or Carsen at their waist as they have shooting practice or the Walton and Abdul working in the corner with our big slow guys chasing them? Minny is more athletic and would be better in a zone than Purdue, but Pitino obviously thinks they are better yet in Man...
I also worry about fouls. Refs that haven't seen Haas could very well punish him for his size, we've seen it before. He has to be careful, watch his elbows.
Haas and Swanigan both. Swanigan will have 30+ pounds on the guy guarding him. Haas 60+ pounds. We can't afford to have them in foul trouble.
Will be interesting to see how much they play together and obviously fouls will dictate some of that.
I just watched the Vermont Albany championship game and have a few observations.
1.) Expect a deliberate offense - the score at half was 27-27 and at the end . . 53-50, so I didn't see anyone with dynamic scoring ability.
2.) They do share the ball well - Like Purdue they move the ball around a lot and are fairly adept at passing within the paint area. (Our achilles' heal)
3,) They score the MAJORITY of their points in the paint (A MAJOR weakness for us)
- expect them to use 2 primary approaches: A.) a guard drives into the paint and stops, turns and feeds a driving guard that rolls in right behind them on the other side of the lane. (Gives them a better chance of getting an close open shot or getting to the rim.) When they do, very seldom does the first guard shoot it unless they can get to the rim.(and I only saw that 1-2 times, which is good) Now that I think about it, there offense is similar to IUs although they are not as athletic as IU (weaves, curls then weakside passes, backcuts, etc..)
B.) Expect to see a LOT of wings rolling into the paint and feeding the weak side forwards who are back-cutting their man. (Our guys need to be prepared for back-cuts which allow their forwards to get to the rim ) It's not as easy for them to drive to the rim themselves from the 3 or 4 position.
4.) Their 6'6 230 freshman forward from NY , Anthony Lamb, is their version of Biggie. He shoots 50% from the field with most coming in the paint, shoots 40% from 3 (normally when left wide open) and appeared to be their "go to" guy doen the stretch. (sound familiar??) If we get him in foul trouble, it will be a big blow to them.
5.) They played man D last year and in the game I watched (Albany) but will double down low, just as they did last year, so Isaac and Biggie have got to be ready to move the ball out of the post if they can't score quickly.
6.) They appeared to be fairly good 3 pt shooters when left wide open (as occurred a few times when the ball got into the paint, but I did not see them taking many or hitting any contested 3s. (So don't expect them to curl and shoot like dakota) Their game, like ours is to get the ball into the paint and go from there. The difference is we pass it in and they drive it in
7.) They appeared to have similar speed and quickness as we do (normally a plus) & will periodically run and take 3s in transition if they get an advantage. (so we have to get back in transiton - nothing new here)
8.) I could be wrong, but they did not appear to be as skilled as a Penn State, Melo, Minnesota in driving the ball - seemed more like a Northwestern with a Blackman-type guard who can get into the paint, but didin't finish many times. In other words, unlike big ten teams who can get to the glass, they do it more to break down the defense and get a closer shot.
9.) IF we had to, a periodic zone might be disruptive to their offense, since they try to drive into the paint with every possession.
10.) By driving into the paint so much they are in better position for rebounds and I believe the baords were pretty even with Haas and Biggie the last time. They will play hard, like a Michigan State inside but I didn't see any athletic freaks of nature to worry about on the boards (6'3-6'8)
11.) I found it interesting that they got a fair amount of their blocks while recovering on driving guards, so Carson should be able to get to the rim on them. (so if he or Vince does, they need to DUNK it versus giving them a chance to pin it to the backboard - they seem to have had practice recovering.
In the end, I left thinking it was a good overall match-up for us in a first game, even though they will get a lot of paint points. (i.e. Just did't think they can score enough points to offset our offense.) I think we will get plenty of good 3 pt looks - we just need to hit a good clip like normal. Our guys should be comfortable matching up against their size and quickness. Advantage Purdue ! ! If I had to fathom a guess, I would say Purdue by 10. (I doubt we hit 18 3s like last year, but probably need about 10-11)
1.) Expect a deliberate offense - the score at half was 27-27 and at the end . . 53-50, so I didn't see anyone with dynamic scoring ability.
2.) They do share the ball well - Like Purdue they move the ball around a lot and are fairly adept at passing within the paint area. (Our achilles' heal)
3,) They score the MAJORITY of their points in the paint (A MAJOR weakness for us)
- expect them to use 2 primary approaches: A.) a guard drives into the paint and stops, turns and feeds a driving guard that rolls in right behind them on the other side of the lane. (Gives them a better chance of getting an close open shot or getting to the rim.) When they do, very seldom does the first guard shoot it unless they can get to the rim.(and I only saw that 1-2 times, which is good) Now that I think about it, there offense is similar to IUs although they are not as athletic as IU (weaves, curls then weakside passes, backcuts, etc..)
B.) Expect to see a LOT of wings rolling into the paint and feeding the weak side forwards who are back-cutting their man. (Our guys need to be prepared for back-cuts which allow their forwards to get to the rim ) It's not as easy for them to drive to the rim themselves from the 3 or 4 position.
4.) Their 6'6 230 freshman forward from NY , Anthony Lamb, is their version of Biggie. He shoots 50% from the field with most coming in the paint, shoots 40% from 3 (normally when left wide open) and appeared to be their "go to" guy doen the stretch. (sound familiar??) If we get him in foul trouble, it will be a big blow to them.
5.) They played man D last year and in the game I watched (Albany) but will double down low, just as they did last year, so Isaac and Biggie have got to be ready to move the ball out of the post if they can't score quickly.
6.) They appeared to be fairly good 3 pt shooters when left wide open (as occurred a few times when the ball got into the paint, but I did not see them taking many or hitting any contested 3s. (So don't expect them to curl and shoot like dakota) Their game, like ours is to get the ball into the paint and go from there. The difference is we pass it in and they drive it in
7.) They appeared to have similar speed and quickness as we do (normally a plus) & will periodically run and take 3s in transition if they get an advantage. (so we have to get back in transiton - nothing new here)
8.) I could be wrong, but they did not appear to be as skilled as a Penn State, Melo, Minnesota in driving the ball - seemed more like a Northwestern with a Blackman-type guard who can get into the paint, but didin't finish many times. In other words, unlike big ten teams who can get to the glass, they do it more to break down the defense and get a closer shot.
9.) IF we had to, a periodic zone might be disruptive to their offense, since they try to drive into the paint with every possession.
10.) By driving into the paint so much they are in better position for rebounds and I believe the baords were pretty even with Haas and Biggie the last time. They will play hard, like a Michigan State inside but I didn't see any athletic freaks of nature to worry about on the boards (6'3-6'8)
11.) I found it interesting that they got a fair amount of their blocks while recovering on driving guards, so Carson should be able to get to the rim on them. (so if he or Vince does, they need to DUNK it versus giving them a chance to pin it to the backboard - they seem to have had practice recovering.
In the end, I left thinking it was a good overall match-up for us in a first game, even though they will get a lot of paint points. (i.e. Just did't think they can score enough points to offset our offense.) I think we will get plenty of good 3 pt looks - we just need to hit a good clip like normal. Our guys should be comfortable matching up against their size and quickness. Advantage Purdue ! ! If I had to fathom a guess, I would say Purdue by 10. (I doubt we hit 18 3s like last year, but probably need about 10-11)
