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To bring back Mackey Madness, I would have to think it would be this year. With the hype and expectations surrounding the basketball team and the lack there of for the football team, if anyone in the athletic marketing department had a brain (a stretch, I know) they should be going all out for this.

We are recruiting against the likes of other schools who have MASSIVE events to kick off the basketball season and who have numerous high profile recruits in attendance.

I know CMP has said in the past, he doesn't mind doing them as long as they are well attended. I know I for one would be there with my family.
 
agreed

This coming season is probably the most anticipated one since the 2010-2011 season (what was supposed to be the senior seasons of Moore, JJ, AND Hummel). I think I would make an effort to try and be there as well if it happens.
 
agreed

This coming season is probably the most anticipated one since the 2010-2011 season (what was supposed to be the senior seasons of Moore, JJ, AND Hummel). I think I would make an effort to try and be there as well if it happens.

While there is definitely more excitement and feels more like that time, Purdue started 2010 ranked in the top 15 and Mackey was sold-out with season tickets. In 2011-12, Purdue sold over 13,000 season tickets, although not ranked.

Last time I saw, we were around 11,000 season tickets (although a month and a half prior to the 13,000 season ticket number from 11-12).

So yes, interest is improving, but it's not quite to where it was - particularly in terms of enough hype for a traditional Midnight Madness event, which has proven (not only at Purdue) to be difficult to stage a good event.

I think it would be cool if they did a student-only event one night in the practice gym with a couple temp bleachers and such. Have it be a packed atmosphere in a good facility - would be fun for everyone.
 
That is some good data but I still believe a midnight madness type event (specifically for the men's and women's hoops teams) would be well-attended this year, regardless of the season ticket numbers or whether or not some fans (not you specifically) think the event would be entertaining or well put-together enough for their tastes.
 
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Package it around a football weekend, any how could they not pack it? They should be able to fill Mackey with students alone for an event like this.

Does anybody know when they usually release season mini-plans?
 
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Agreed about doing it around a football game. Offer free pop, hotdogs, popcorn, etc. to get people in the doors. Hell, even take a few $ out of the athletic dept, get a 'name' band (Oliver Syndrome? Just kidding) and make it an 'EVENT' people are excited about.
 
Agreed about doing it around a football game. Offer free pop, hotdogs, popcorn, etc. to get people in the doors. Hell, even take a few $ out of the athletic dept, get a 'name' band (Oliver Syndrome? Just kidding) and make it an 'EVENT' people are excited about.

This has been done before multiple times.

The problem is - what do you want it to be?

-For the (dwindling) number of schools that still do it well, it's typically a big, hyped up event that is heavily student focused (although when you're talking 10,000+ arenas there are still a lot of general fans - the students make the atmosphere though. That's not happening before a football game.

If you don't fill up the space, it loses its atmosphere. It's no different than an actual game. A half-full arena with people spread out doesn't get as into it. Mackey, even after being renovated, still is not a very high-tech arena and the lights don't even have auto-covers, which makes it hard to have a good atmosphere around an event, let alone a 21st century sound system.

And then there's the programming. The last midnight madness Purdue held was basically a hot mess. Having a low-tech arena hurts in terms of this as everything is on display at all times. Scrimmages are often boring and not much to see.

On the basketball side of things, they only want to do it if it's going to be impressive, particularly for recruiting. Having 1,000 students in Mackey doesn't make the place feel electric. That's why I suggested doing it in the practice gym - pack the place with students, it's a small enough space you can create a great atmosphere in terms of lighting/sound, etc.

The problem is Purdue doesn't want to put any money into it. Places like Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan State - put money into staging, lighting, effects, etc. Georgetown and some other schools have a pretty legit artist perform every year that attracts students.

You're not going to have an amazing event when you put no money/resources into it. And I'm not just talking about a car dealership that agrees to give a new car if a kid hits a halfcourt shot. There's cheaper ways to do it (like using the practice gym), but it requires effort. Purdue doesn't put that kind of investment into things for marketing (and it's not necessarily the marketing dept's fault).
 
This has been done before multiple times.

The problem is - what do you want it to be?

-For the (dwindling) number of schools that still do it well, it's typically a big, hyped up event that is heavily student focused (although when you're talking 10,000+ arenas there are still a lot of general fans - the students make the atmosphere though. That's not happening before a football game.

If you don't fill up the space, it loses its atmosphere. It's no different than an actual game. A half-full arena with people spread out doesn't get as into it. Mackey, even after being renovated, still is not a very high-tech arena and the lights don't even have auto-covers, which makes it hard to have a good atmosphere around an event, let alone a 21st century sound system.

And then there's the programming. The last midnight madness Purdue held was basically a hot mess. Having a low-tech arena hurts in terms of this as everything is on display at all times. Scrimmages are often boring and not much to see.

On the basketball side of things, they only want to do it if it's going to be impressive, particularly for recruiting. Having 1,000 students in Mackey doesn't make the place feel electric. That's why I suggested doing it in the practice gym - pack the place with students, it's a small enough space you can create a great atmosphere in terms of lighting/sound, etc.

The problem is Purdue doesn't want to put any money into it. Places like Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan State - put money into staging, lighting, effects, etc. Georgetown and some other schools have a pretty legit artist perform every year that attracts students.

You're not going to have an amazing event when you put no money/resources into it. And I'm not just talking about a car dealership that agrees to give a new car if a kid hits a halfcourt shot. There's cheaper ways to do it (like using the practice gym), but it requires effort. Purdue doesn't put that kind of investment into things for marketing (and it's not necessarily the marketing dept's fault).
What is the seating capacity of the practice gym? Is it large enough to make it work?
 
Speaking from personal experience, the marketing department for Purdue Athletics is great. The problem is the guy at the top, Burke, doesn't give them the resources to succeed and doesn't allow them to try new and innovative ideas. Sports marketing is just another expense to him that he would gladly do away with if he could.
 
Two years ago they hosted a pep rally for the students at the Corec before the season started. (Not sure if it happened last season or not). The students piled in to the west gym (three courts wide). They had all the coaches there and introduced the players. They fielded questions and did the pep routine. Probably didn't cost a dime.

Would be nice to have that event for the public. It would be very popular.
 
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Speaking from personal experience, the marketing department for Purdue Athletics is great. The problem is the guy at the top, Burke, doesn't give them the resources to succeed and doesn't allow them to try new and innovative ideas. Sports marketing is just another expense to him that he would gladly do away with if he could.


I think Morgan Burke is less of a progressing force and more of a hindrance to the well-being of
Purdue athletics.
 
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Every football practice I've gone to (about 8 this fall), Morgan has been there. I get tired of people who write things like this.

Attending football practices doesn't equate to being the best qualified person to move the athletic programs forward at a higher rate of success. It also doesn't equate to him having other qualities related to the success of some AD's, such as being innovative or creative with the way each athletics program and/or athletic events are marketed or put together.
 
The reason this has never worked at Purdue but does at places like IU and UK is that Purdue's faithful have careers and don't have the expendable free time that the toothless brethren to the south do.
 
Attending football practices doesn't equate to being the best qualified person to move the athletic programs forward at a higher rate of success. It also doesn't equate to him having other qualities related to the success of some AD's, such as being innovative or creative with the way each athletics program and/or athletic events are marketed or put together.
If Morgan Burke were the best qualified person to move the athletic programs forward, he wouldn't be at Purdue.
 
What is the seating capacity of the practice gym? Is it large enough to make it work?

There's not really built-in stands or anything - but it's 1.5 courts, a built-in sound system and a nice looking facility. If it's a student event, pack the place full of standing students and it'd be a great atmosphere. You could bring in some temp bleachers or what not to fill some space.

I didn't know the did the co-rec thing - sounds nice. But again, you want to make it a real event that's on par with what other successful schools are doing - you can't do it without spending at least some money.
 
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If Morgan Burke were the best qualified person to move the athletic programs forward, he wouldn't be at Purdue.

I'm not sure which way you are going with this, but either way, there are better AD's (or potential AD's) out there. I'm sure Purdue could bring someone in that could do a better job.
 
To bring back Mackey Madness, I would have to think it would be this year. With the hype and expectations surrounding the basketball team and the lack there of for the football team, if anyone in the athletic marketing department had a brain (a stretch, I know) they should be going all out for this.

We are recruiting against the likes of other schools who have MASSIVE events to kick off the basketball season and who have numerous high profile recruits in attendance.

I know CMP has said in the past, he doesn't mind doing them as long as they are well attended. I know I for one would be there with my family.


I agree. This could be a special year for Purdue and one can tell the excitement is already building. Why not build on this excitement and throw some type of beginning of the season festivity.
 
Speaking from personal experience, the marketing department for Purdue Athletics is great. The problem is the guy at the top, Burke, doesn't give them the resources to succeed and doesn't allow them to try new and innovative ideas. Sports marketing is just another expense to him that he would gladly do away with if he could.
The marketing department is great?
I'm in Indy - the next time time I see one iota of Purdue marketing will be the first.
Print, TV, radio, billboards - anything.
It is flat out pathetic.
 
The marketing department is great?
I'm in Indy - the next time time I see one iota of Purdue marketing will be the first.
Print, TV, radio, billboards - anything.
It is flat out pathetic.
Where is the last IU basketball marketing you've seen?
 
The marketing department is great?
I'm in Indy - the next time time I see one iota of Purdue marketing will be the first.
Print, TV, radio, billboards - anything.
It is flat out pathetic.

To be fair, everything you mention - costs money. So does that mean the marketing department does a bad job? Not necessarily. They could be doing a very good job with the resources they are given.

That being said, there's certainly been some questionable things in-game.

The fact of the matter is that Purdue's athletic department is NOT bold or innovative. I don't necessarily point the finger at the marketing staff for that though. This has been the case for quite some time...
 
Where is the last IU basketball marketing you've seen?
Well it's football season so...I drive past two billboards on my way to the office each day. I would say I see the TV ad every other day or so depending on what I'm watching here. When basketball season rolls around it will be the same.
As for Purdue, I'm still waiting....
 
Well it's football season so...I drive past two billboards on my way to the office each day. I would say I see the TV ad every other day or so depending on what I'm watching here. When basketball season rolls around it will be the same.
As for Purdue, I'm still waiting....

I thought Purdue has stepped it up a little in the past year. I can recall a couple full page ads in the Sunday Star that has been taken out by the athletics department. Additionally, for the longest time they had a billboard on the west side of 465 around 38th street going north. I'm not sure if they still have that one or not.
 
I thought Purdue has stepped it up a little in the past year. I can recall a couple full page ads in the Sunday Star that has been taken out by the athletics department. Additionally, for the longest time they had a billboard on the west side of 465 around 38th street going north. I'm not sure if they still have that one or not.
I know that I've seen Purdue sports billboards around as well. I think one might have been on I65 North before the highway closed, but I'm not sure.
 
To bring back Mackey Madness, I would have to think it would be this year. With the hype and expectations surrounding the basketball team and the lack there of for the football team, if anyone in the athletic marketing department had a brain (a stretch, I know) they should be going all out for this.

We are recruiting against the likes of other schools who have MASSIVE events to kick off the basketball season and who have numerous high profile recruits in attendance.

I know CMP has said in the past, he doesn't mind doing them as long as they are well attended. I know I for one would be there with my family.

Even at the teams peak under Painter, MM has been poor. No matter how much hype we think we have, we aren't going to put on the show, nor get the attendance required for such a show as the big boys that do them.

Win a Title first and continue success then maybe in a few years, but not yet.
 
So there's some advertising in Indy. That's good at least. IMO, Burke could still be better in a lot of areas (some of them have already been mentioned above) but it's obvious that there's a difference in philosophy between the types of things that some of us fans would like to see and the types of things that Burke is willing to do (ex: the finances that he's willing to spend and the particular areas that he's willing to spend it) on an annual basis.
 
Even at the teams peak under Painter, MM has been poor. No matter how much hype we think we have, we aren't going to put on the show, nor get the attendance required for such a show as the big boys that do them.

Win a Title first and continue success then maybe in a few years, but not yet.

I don't think that it has to do with amazing success (although certainly doesn't hurt). "We aren't going to put on the show" is simply because the athletic department doesn't view this as a priority event. I'm not saying they should - many other schools have stopped doing this event. The schools that do have success often have it as a student-focused event - that's why they have success because students bring energy.

But there's a multitude of other factors why it sucks at Purdue. Mackey being one of them - they renovated the place and the lighting/sound system/acoustics are still 1990s quality. It'd be nearly impossible to do a grade A quality event with the space they have.
 
Doesn't a MM count as one official practice? If that is the case, I believe some coaches just don't want to waste a practice. That said, they can be fun if they are done right with great attendance, but like others have stated, Purdue hasn't pulled one like that off since I can remember.
 
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