...but a close overtime "rip your heart out after you've given everything" works, too.
I wanted a crushing....
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Free-throw shooting was abysmal. It didnt have to be this close. The ending drama was exciting to say the least.
players not named Edey and renn were 20-24. Renns always bad and it almost seemed like barnhizer did a little hack a Shaq on him. Was really just Edey that for some reason was in a funk and then Braden Had a couple bad trips but was 5-8.
Let me take you out and bull whip your arms for 40 minutes and see how well you shoot free throws.
Purdue got in the bonus too early. Normally, Gillis is in there during 1 and 1 time, or so it seems.
The best was making them stand there at the bench watching Purdue sink 4 free-throws to put the game at 105.
And the fact that a lot of poll voters won't have watched the game, just see the score and think "Yeah, Purdue almost covered" so no "E for Effort" votes for the Mildcats.
Is that petty of me? Everyone who believes "a win is a win" at home against a mid tier team should step back a bit and look at it... This game plan from Collins beats us on a neutral court as well as on the road every time... Purdue has way more talent than NW but this is the type of team that consistently gives CMP and Purdue absolute fits... It gives me no more confidence heading to the stretch run of the season and the tourney. This is around the time of year where everyone "catches up" to Purdue and the team begins to struggle a little... Lets see how we make out this season but as I said I wasn't going to be happy unless it was a 30+ point win... I know plenty won't agree with me as "a win is a win" but didn't like what I saw...
You are right. On a neutral, if an opponent makes 14 threes on 52% shooting and Purdue misses 17 free throws, we are screwed. Unless we're not.
Huh. TIL Northwestern is a a “Mid” team.
It’s crazy how people just think in college basketball that if you’re a top 5 team, you should be just blowing out everyone, every game and play perfect every game. No Matter what the game plan is from the other team. NU could hold the ball every possession to get the shot clock down and make it a low scoring game and someone would yell “we shoulda won by 30!!!!”
Yeah we have better talent, but they aren’t pros, they’re 3 and 4 stars that aren’t looked at as NBA talent (at least not right away). I feel the only way you’ll be satisfied is if Purdue wins the championship and you’ll say “see!!! I told you !!! Never a doubt!!!”
Enjoy the season and the ride. You’re witnessing good basketball with generational talent and potentially one of the all time great PGs at Purdue.
Ok. Should we stop watching? Or maybe call into Painter’s show and provide some guidance to make the team better? Just what are we suppose to do with this valuable piece of information you've provided?
I’ve said before the best way to defend a three is to deny the player the opportunity to shoot it. In football if a guy is covered, the qb doesn’t throw him the ball. We keep saying we put our hand in his face and he still made the shot. Perhaps we need to use our hands to deny the pass more often. That requires double teaming, fouling and a more aggressive perimeter defense. Too many times in the past, we have dared teams to make that last second three and they drilled it home. One might say our perimeter defense needs a little tweaking. Looking forward, Northwestern is a bubble team. This the caliber of team we will be facing on that first weekend .
Are other teams 'catching up' to Purdue or is Purdue playing more tentative and not to lose in the 2nd half of the season? This seems to repeat itself every season starting right about now (beginning of February). Why are other teams improving but Purdue is not? Is Purdue playing to the level of its opponents (ranked or not)?
Given that NW beat No. 1 ranked Purdue TWO TIMES this last year, I was thinking that a more focused Purdue team would show up and make a statement. My walk away is the Collins has Painter's number.
I think it was more of the lean and push on Zach with three bodies. BTW, Matt really started early subbing Ethan in and out every couple of minutes trying to get as much energy out of Ethan as possible on D
match up problem and physical play. Bigs are NOT used by NW on offense and so they have 3 to wear on zach and hack a zach if called. In theory they could foul probable baskets due to position, but before teh shot 6 times each half or 24 points in a game and that is if those intentional fouls are even called.
Purdue as a team very rarely blows other teams away. They have never been a run and gun type of team. Somebody asked the other day why does Smith walk down the court. Purdue plays fundamental basketball clock management and defense which tends to lead to closer scoring games than 30-40 point blow outs that some teams create. Purdue looks for the best shot rather than taking a shot every 5 seconds. This requires passing and time. I guess they could just fire away from the three and be aggressive on getting offensive rebounds. Some teams have their guards fire away and then follow their shots to the basket rather than falling back on defense. Some teams also have 5 future nba players in their lineups. I am led to wonder what Painter would do if he had 10 McDonald’s all Americans on his team. Would he go undefeated? Would he change his coaching philosophy to match their talents? Or would it be basically just like it is today? The question is do you go out and recruit the best players and adapt your coaching philosophy to tailor it to your players’s talents? Or do you recruit players to fit your coaching philosophy? A tough question.
Fans from Northwestern probably were saying last night was an awesome game. Purdue fans never seem satisfied with a win.
This was the exact strategy the Bulls would use before the Jordan era against the Bucks with Kareem. They would have three centers (Bullwinkle, Awtrey and somebody else) each use all of their 6 fouls. It didn’t work, but that was their game plan and only hope of winning.
Matt has shown that stars for players don't equate to what he wants. Matt would NEVER want a team of 10 McDonalds as those players are evaluated on individual play and athletic ability. Matt tries to build a team, not a collection of individuals. Would he gladly take some McDonalds...yes, particularly if he saw them a good fit, but Matt values things not evaluated in the selection of McDonalds IMO
yes there is no magic bullet to play well against Purdue. Each game is a bit different due to different personnel and matchup. NW was VERY old on the perimeter and so they were not only skilled, more mature bodies, but had a lot of experience playing. Physical play on zach is what all opposition coaches want, but many use their players on offense and so fouls hurt them more than NWs.
I would agree that is his coaching style and philosophy for Purdue. I’m just wondering how successful he would be and what his philosophy would be if he was given an all star team to coach. I recall Bobby Knight selecting an Olympic team and passing on several more talented players to create a team.
years ago the Lakers had Jerry West and I think Wilt was already there. They paid a good price to get Elgin Baylor and thought to have the three best players at guard, forward and center, but the Celtics still had their number more often than not if my memory is correct
Haha, Wole.....I remember that '74 Western Conference Finals series with the Bucks and the Bulls. Kareem absolutely ate them alive in a 4-0 sweep. It was Dennis Awtry, Tom Boerwinkle, and Clifford Ray (who ended up being traded to the Warriors who then won the next year with Rick Barry and company, including a rookie named Jamaal Wilkes).
Kareem played almost every minute of that series and averaged close to 35 points and 20 rebounds with 4 assists and 2 blocks. People tend to forget just how dominating he was.....and that was without Lucious Allen who had a season-ending injury.
I snuck the old black and white TV into the bedroom and caught the late night games on CBS through the antenna on a different station because they were blacked out in our home market.....good times!
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West and Baylor were there together first before Wilt, TJ.....and they lost most of those series to Boston with Russell, Cousy, Heinsohn, the Joneses, and Havlicek. Chamberlain joined them in 68/69 for the last of that run. They did win the one title on that great '72 team....pretty much at the end of their careers. Remember seeing them face New York in the Finals the next year......didn't have it anymore - and that was the last Knicks' championship, IIRC.
Thanks...wasn't sure about the pickup timing other than knowing West was there, but your text rejogged my memory. I remember at the time there was reference to the amount of money to get that group together and of course remember Wilt with the 76ers before. Ya know some people might start to wonder just how old we are.
So the game plan is to shoot 60% from deep and to foul Edey every time he posts up?
Sounds like a winner. Why doesn’t everyone do this?
If I remember right Tex, those late CBS games were tape delayed right? I for sure remember one time my sister telling me who won and i was furious because I was planning on watching it later that night on TV.Haha, Wole.....I remember that '74 Western Conference Finals series with the Bucks and the Bulls. Kareem absolutely ate them alive in a 4-0 sweep. It was Dennis Awtry, Tom Boerwinkle, and Clifford Ray (who ended up being traded to the Warriors who then won the next year with Rick Barry and company, including a rookie named Jamaal Wilkes).
Kareem played almost every minute of that series and averaged close to 35 points and 20 rebounds with 4 assists and 2 blocks. People tend to forget just how dominating he was.....and that was without Lucious Allen who had a season-ending injury.
I snuck the old black and white TV into the bedroom and caught the late night games on CBS through the antenna on a different station because they were blacked out in our home market.....good times!
Some were live, some were tape delayed.
Probably the biggest game (at least that I remember) on tape delay was Game 6 of the 1980 NBA Finals in Philadelphia (only live in a few areas)....listened to it live on WWWE in Cleveland. Magic Johnson's 42-pt game to seal it (and playing center at times) with Kareem out of the line-up from a sprained ankle in Game 5. Almost forgotten was that Jamaal Wilkes had 37 in that game.
A few years earlier, at least in Cleveland......nothing topped the Miracle of Richfield with the Cavaliers beating the Bullets in Game 7 and then giving the eventual champs Celtics all they could handle. Some of those games were blacked out, unfortunately. Loved that team......went to Austin Carr's basketball camp and met most of them.....great guys.
Spoiler alert: court storming coming up.....haha.
Wow you guys are older than me! And I went to Purdue when it was still Indiana A&M before we sweet talked that John Purdue guy to give us all that NIL money in exchange for changing our University’s name. And mortar boards were made out of cement! They were kind of heavy on your head.
Meh..And the fact that a lot of poll voters won't have watched the game, just see the score and think "Yeah, Purdue almost covered" so no "E for Effort" votes for the Mildcats.
If the polls had any bearing whatsoever on the bracket seeds, that kind of myopia might be a reason for concern!😎
While I agree Northwestern’s guards give Purdue fits, I think you are giving Northwestern more credit than you deserve or maybe Purdue too much crap. There was certainly an element of luck in this game with shooting. They were lucky Edey struggled at the line and Purdue missed the front end of 1-and-1s. Lucky so many circus 3s went in and Berry and Booie shot 65% from 3, lucky the refs called some nonsense foul calls to improve the optics on the foul discrepancy (jones first 2 and a couple of Gillis’), lucky that a guy who supposed gives Purdue fits yet before tonight only averaged 7.8 ppg against Purdue, well below his career average, shot 6-9 from 3, lucky the refs allowed moving screens and illegal step back jumpers. I’m not coming up with excuses, my point is northwestern was so lucky yet purdue figured out a way to win.
I also think Purdue plays up to the level of competition. This is their Super Bowl.
Completely would agree if this were a one time thing... But the last 4 years tourney losses, losing to Rutgers last year and Both NW and Nebraska this year all show me its not as much luck but a specific game plan that other teams are confident they can accomplish against us...
IDK what you think you're doing here but this is a forum to have conversation on sports... LMAO if you can't understand that you may as well just delete your account and only watch the games on TV... What do you want me to say? You added quite the rebuttle to my thoughts there... Maybe try again with some evidence that backs whatever thoughts are coming out of your pea brain? IDK that is how forums work and all...
There is a little thing called history... Might look into that... History also repeats itself if you don't adjust and if you're not prepared for that then you'll be shocked when you don't make it to the second weekend of the tourney because North Texas, Dickenson, your grandma of Iowa beat you... LOL I mean come on...
Last year against NW, this year against NW and Nebraska, the last 4 years in the tourney make your hyper focused stats look silly...
There are several reasons for those losses and pigeonholing them into an epidemic is lazy.
