I really have to say....
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Purdue stands out among-st all the others because we have more potential and two 7 footers who are sure fire NBA players, so yea, WE DO STAND OUT and will win the Big Ten Tourney. Maryland is a wreck, Indiana is overrated even at #18 in the country and will get eliminated in the first round of the NCAA's. Also, you have to realize that Wisonsin will beat Indiana in the B1G tourney if they play. IU had no answer for Nigel Hayes and Ethan Happ. They were out-classed in every phase of the game. IU has done AWFUL in the B1G tourney as well, They are a joke to say the least.
Sure fire? No wonder even Purdue fans think Purdue fans don't understand sports. I mean, like sure fire will make a team for a minute? Or what? I remember Kendall Stephens was a sure fire NBA first rounder before this season started. Is there anything related to levity or honesty on this site, or did Heller and the hateful eight, otherwise known as the Sunshine Boys, drive everyone who is objective off?
If you don't think Hammons and Haas (Haas eventually) will play in the NBA, then you are nuts. I'm sure you don't think that.
Thank you pubv. Not a troll, but a purdue fan. I like your posts too, lol
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No doubt. But this time, we blow them out and show who the better team is. I still don't know how they call that goal-tend. Unbelievable.
I think IU may surprise in the tournament, they the same problem we do--- Purdue wins when we don't stand around and become 1-dimensional, which almost happened last night. IU wins when they actually play defense. i would enjoy another crack at IU, we played a shit game in Bloomington, the goal tending call had near zero ro do with that loss. Boilers were flat and dead until about 5 mins left to go, then it was too little too late. Purdue will need to be playing is best ball, and Painter doing his best coaching ever for us to go deep into the tournament. We have the talent to get to the Sweet-16, but Its going to require them digging deep which they are capable of doing.
This may be one of the more interesting Big Ten Tournaments. Most of the tournaments have been rather blah.
Correction: Talent-wise, we are final-four quality, not sure about beyond that unless we saw Mathias emerging. We need a wild-card to step up and he may be it, but others need to take ownership of some mis-communication and recent flaws and iron that crap out. Painter will need to take the onus on the press-break, and he must because other teams clearly will see our issues with that and exploit that till we are blue in the face.
talent - agree
press - i'm still shocked more teams don't press or trap us
Well, not sure I agree with the notion that we have FF talent. We are ranked about #20, We just beat #8 at our house. Okay, if we believe them to be reasonably accurate by this time of the season, the only teams that have "FF Talent" should be those #1-#4 right? So, maybe we don't have FF talent. We are certainly capable of beating any FF team through team play, but most of those #1-#4 teams play pretty good team ball too.
Also, how many recruits in the #1-#4 ranking range have we playing on our team? How many #5-#8? How many 5* recruits? Just one 5*? How does that line up with UK's bench? Duke's bench? Come on now, don't get caught up in this last win and think that we are anything more than a dark horse in this race. Don't get me wrong, because I like being a dark horse, but don't go around claiming we have FF talent. You need to watch more than just Purdue play.
This is scary, I mean it took what, 6 possessions to realize the way to break the press using players with length was to simply dribble thru, then another couple possessions after that to realize that once the press was broken, attack the basket! I think if we play a team coached well enough to apply different press schemes, our player in bounding the ball might just hand it to a defender and say I have no idea what to do right now.
When it comes to the tournament, there's a lot more than talent that goes into it (which seems to be what most people on this board think it is).
I don't think I'd say we have "Final Four" talent literally. If you're going by talent, there's a lot more than 4 teams that have more talent than us. But a lot of teams that make the Final Four are not the top 5 or top 10 in talent.
What matters most is probably your draw. This goes to your strengths/weaknesses. Every team has both. Obviously, a team that plays pressure defense like a West Virginia is probably not our ideal match-up. But we could perhaps play a team that is similarly seeded that is not very big, doesn't have much depth, etc. - that may be a "better" team than us, but is a better match-up.
Obviously other factors involve how you're playing in general at the time. There's sometimes a mixed opinions on conference tournaments. You see some teams that roll through their conference tournament lose early. You see teams that maybe unexpectedly do well in conference tournaments continue their roll.
There's also a matter of showing up in general for early round games. No reason some of these teams should be getting upset early rounds - yet you see it happen cause they aren't terribly focused or think they can just go through the motions.
Having a better game plan and executing it. It's not uncommon to face teams with more talent than you - or a general "superstar" better than your players. But it doesn't mean they play together better as a team, don't have weaknesses you take advantage of, etc.
As for the press, it's easier said than done. First off, the press is exhausting to run. So you typically only see it in short stretches. Maryland isn't a deep team, particularly at the guard position. They have very good players that can execute it as their entire lineup is 6'3" and taller, you have a very athletic 3 guy in Layman who's super tall and athletic. But they would get completely exhausted doing that. Secondly, playing off of Maryland's tall line-up, you have to have the personnel to do so. We've seen teams press Purdue (i.e. Michigan at Mackey) that did so pretty poorly and led to some easy baskets. If you aren't good at it, you're not going to really have a big advantage. It's like when people call for Purdue to play zone - if you aren't good at it, just playing it to play it doesn't mean it's gonna work.
I think the reason you bump us up to FF talent is our depth at center mainly and overall depth. In the tourney, and during a deep run, there seems to always be that one game where your center gets into foul trouble and his minutes are limited...so instead of that costing a team like Purdue a chance to advance, you rely on your lesser talented center on the bench (if you even have one), but in Purdue's case, Haas comes to the rescue and is formidable and can keep the ship on course. I don't know of any other team out there that has a starting center on the bench licking his chops to get in there and have a chance to play and display his talents. It's rarefied air IMO.Well, not sure I agree with the notion that we have FF talent. We are ranked about #20, We just beat #8 at our house. Okay, if we believe them to be reasonably accurate by this time of the season, the only teams that have "FF Talent" should be those #1-#4 right? So, maybe we don't have FF talent. We are certainly capable of beating any FF team through team play, but most of those #1-#4 teams play pretty good team ball too.
Also, how many recruits in the #1-#4 ranking range have we playing on our team? How many #5-#8? How many 5* recruits? Just one 5*? How does that line up with UK's bench? Duke's bench? Come on now, don't get caught up in this last win and think that we are anything more than a dark horse in this race. Don't get me wrong, because I like being a dark horse, but don't go around claiming we have FF talent. You need to watch more than just Purdue play.
Well, not sure I agree with the notion that we have FF talent. We are ranked about #20, We just beat #8 at our house. Okay, if we believe them to be reasonably accurate by this time of the season, the only teams that have "FF Talent" should be those #1-#4 right? So, maybe we don't have FF talent. We are certainly capable of beating any FF team through team play, but most of those #1-#4 teams play pretty good team ball too.
Also, how many recruits in the #1-#4 ranking range have we playing on our team? How many #5-#8? How many 5* recruits? Just one 5*? How does that line up with UK's bench? Duke's bench? Come on now, don't get caught up in this last win and think that we are anything more than a dark horse in this race. Don't get me wrong, because I like being a dark horse, but don't go around claiming we have FF talent. You need to watch more than just Purdue play.
agree talent is far from the be-all end-all especially in the bball tourney.
i like watching games other than purdue too.
just a reminder of lowly ranked teams carving their way to the final four in recent years:
uconn - 7 seed (and national title), only pro was napier i believe, end of 1st round pick (title before that they went from a big east tourney 9 seed to ncaa 3 seed)
wichita st - 9 seed
vcu - 11 seed (we had more 'talent' yet they utterly destroyed us with their game plan, effort, execution)
butler - 8 seed (w/o hayward)
george mason - 11 seed
i'll even include davidsons elite 8 - 10 seed (remembering that curry was 'only' a 3-star)
i'll continue to argue purdue is at least top 9 in the country in talent based on the fact that we are one of only nine schools to have multiple players from the jan. naismith watch list, one of the few/only with backup 7-footers (who is a 4-star and not some random tall scrub), role players who are top specialists in the country in their class (cline - 3's), etc.
so not rigidly or exactly top 4 (and the 'top 4' rankings have been in constant flux all season anyway), but no reason purdue can't make a final four run.
no dark horse miracles needed for us imo.
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I think you have to credit the winner of the regular season. Otherwise, it just comes across as bitter.
However, I do feel the winner of the BTT is worthy of equal prestige.
However, I do feel the winner of the BTT is worthy of equal prestige.
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