I was wrong, and he didnt stay. Go ahead...let me have it.
I Bet I Was Wrong.
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You merely were posting what we all hoped would happen. Plus you're owning up to being 'wrong' so for me it's just time to move on.
You were wrong and he didn't stay. Your heart blocked your vision. Why should we paddle your butt for that? Blind Faith is all
Swanigan was great for Purdue while he was here, and Purdue was great for Swanigan. I'd have loved to watch him play in Mackey for another year, but I couldn't be happier for this kid in realizing his dream.
Who gives a F what you, or anyone else, predicted?
I think it was a poor decision by Biggie. I want him to go to the NBA and be a star, I am rooting for him, but by the time he would have been a senior he will be overseas playing which he could have done a year or two later.
Small money too tempting. NBA dangling some cash makes it hard for a kid to take a step back and realize the opportunity just blown. I wish him the best, but my opinion doesn't change on this. A poor decision to draft this year.
Curious as to how much you pull in a year, if you care to share
I think Caleb's decision to stay in the draft was probably a solid decision. I would have loved for him to come back and improve even more and gotten drafted even higher next year, but there are no guarantees. Coming back would have presented some risks for sure. I think it may take him an extra year or two, but I think with his work ethic, he can be a solid contributor in the NBA for years to come. I am sad to see him leave, but wish him all the best of luck moving forward.
Work ethic means nothing in the NBA. If you are 6'9" and the least athletic guy on the floor you are done. Biggie will not get any rebounds whatsoever against the massive athletic studs in the NBA. No chance, sorry.
I am waiting for what about Rodman...he was undersized....but SUPER athletic, no comparison.
What opportunity was blown?
Big money is in the second contract. The faster you get there, the better.
His decision is what he felt is right for him. Some of these posts declaring it was the wrong choice come from a selfish place IMO because we all know how great we'd be if he had returned.
It's okay though to think that way as I did as well but there is no certainty his stock would go up at all if he had stayed another year. So how about we all just thank him for what he did at and for Purdue and wish him well.
I will say this, with AJH and Biggie both in the NBA.. I have a reason to watch it again.
It's okay though to think that way as I did as well but there is no certainty his stock would go up at all if he had stayed another year. So how about we all just thank him for what he did at and for Purdue and wish him well.
I will say this, with AJH and Biggie both in the NBA.. I have a reason to watch it again.
He should have stayed... I said it also. Could have been a legend had he stayed. Can't ever get those college years back. I wish him luck and hope he makes millions, but he will regret not giving college one more year IMO.
Here's the thing about this. He's now locked into NBA at whatever he gets in draft. If he was promised a high pick I'd say go. All the drafts say he's a low first round to mid second round pick. That given this decision to go pro didn't need to happen until next year.
Staying another year could lock him in higher year on year salary perpetually with potential of endorsements and maybe being a top draft pick next yr. Leaving early if he's drafted low or second round he's perpetually getting paid a lot less and dependent more so on how he does in NBA. Those players that get all that money up front are much better off staying to be in that position such as the plenty of examples I've given MJ among them.
It don't much matter now as decision final. In the world of pro sports the scouts compare you to your peers. Now his peers are pros. He had much more potential I think to be more highly considered staying back one more year. Wish him the best but nobody will convince me how genius a move it is to go pro at this state of things. 80 percent of Pro players go bankrupt at some point in their lives.
According to a 2009 Sports Illustrated article, 78% of National Football League (NFL) players are either bankrupt or are under financial stress within two years of retirement and an estimated 60% of National Basketball Association players go bankrupt within five years after leaving their sport.
Staying another year could lock him in higher year on year salary perpetually with potential of endorsements and maybe being a top draft pick next yr. Leaving early if he's drafted low or second round he's perpetually getting paid a lot less and dependent more so on how he does in NBA. Those players that get all that money up front are much better off staying to be in that position such as the plenty of examples I've given MJ among them.
It don't much matter now as decision final. In the world of pro sports the scouts compare you to your peers. Now his peers are pros. He had much more potential I think to be more highly considered staying back one more year. Wish him the best but nobody will convince me how genius a move it is to go pro at this state of things. 80 percent of Pro players go bankrupt at some point in their lives.
According to a 2009 Sports Illustrated article, 78% of National Football League (NFL) players are either bankrupt or are under financial stress within two years of retirement and an estimated 60% of National Basketball Association players go bankrupt within five years after leaving their sport.
I find it curious how folks can question Caleb's decision to declare for the 2017 NBA Draft without having all of the information that was available to him/his support team (i.e., Roosevelt Barnes). I am sure he received assurances from one of the teams he worked out for that they will likely draft him and offer guaranteed money. Additionally, there are so many cautionary tales of college players who opted to come back for another year (Melo Trimble) to "placate" their school's alumni/students, have their games dissected by NBA personnel, and ultimately go from a possible late-1st Round NBA Draft pick (as Trimble would have been in 2015) to an non-draft pick Prospect two years later. Leaving school early to pursue one's lifelong dream is the "right" of every NCAA athlete -- especially since that is what the NBA landscape has become over the last 10 years. IMO, Caleb's ability to play himself into a late-1st/early-2nd round draft pick will help Purdue for years to come on the recruiting front, compared to any long run in the 2017-'18 NCAA tournament. Finally, there is no given that Purdue will have the same successful year that they had in 2016-'17 if he returned for his Junior season. I certainly hope they do, but there is definitely no guarantee of that happening next season. Caleb, good luck at the next level! Keep proving people wrong.
Bravo great post man !!! I wish everybody could admit when wrong. I hate that you were wrong btw
Nobody criticizing anybody's right. We all wish him the best of luck. I don't think I've seen 1 person here who doesn't. Purdue has had several players go 1st / 2nd round. JJ went 27th as first round staying through his senior year. He benefited through that process as did Hammons who was 46th pick overall. For every example of someone who flops by staying there could be 20 examples of ones who it greatly benefited staying another year. I mean look at MJ or Curry both played their junior years out.
Ultimately Curry could have failed in NBA and made a considerable amount of money guaranteed upfront. That's because he played his junior year out. At the end of his sophomore season maybe he goes pro and gets on a team where things don't work out and he never gets that shot which propels him. Now he has to earn the money by putting up NBA numbers. It don't matter if you perform but what if you don't?
Now if someone offered Swan a mid to high draft pick and that's not yet known then the whole argument is a mute point. If he ends up a low end or second round pick now he could be paid a lot less perpetually with the more dependency to put up numbers in the NBA to get up to a higher pay grade.
Ultimately Curry could have failed in NBA and made a considerable amount of money guaranteed upfront. That's because he played his junior year out. At the end of his sophomore season maybe he goes pro and gets on a team where things don't work out and he never gets that shot which propels him. Now he has to earn the money by putting up NBA numbers. It don't matter if you perform but what if you don't?
Now if someone offered Swan a mid to high draft pick and that's not yet known then the whole argument is a mute point. If he ends up a low end or second round pick now he could be paid a lot less perpetually with the more dependency to put up numbers in the NBA to get up to a higher pay grade.
He would have been almost an identical prospect next year if he had stayed, except he would have been a year older. If you don't make a big jump in college from one year to the next, your draft stock drops. And the younger you are when you hit the league, the longer your leash and more patience they have with waiting for development. So I think going now gives him the best chance of not ending up overseas or in the D-League long term. He needs to get that NBA coaching as soon as possible. I think he would have been crazy to stay another year. The NBA does not cater well to juniors and seniors these days, with the exception of late bloomers.
As an example, I have to think that Justin Jackson from UNC would be a higher prospect if he were a freshman right now instead of a junior. It seems like his stock is pushed down because he is not younger, and there isn't as much hope for explosive development.
As an example, I have to think that Justin Jackson from UNC would be a higher prospect if he were a freshman right now instead of a junior. It seems like his stock is pushed down because he is not younger, and there isn't as much hope for explosive development.
You are forgetting that the rookie pay scale jumps like 40% next year. So even if he got drafted at the exact same position, it would mean more money. Not to mention next years draft isn't expected to be as deep. Just maintaining what he did and not improving one bit would have increased his stock significantly. I agree that he will be viewed the exact same. I don't think his numbers make a bit of difference to the scouts. The other side is, he doesn't need to improve his draft position to improve the value of his pick had he stayed.
I agree that leaving was the right thing to do. If somebody is guaranteeing they will draft him, play him, and give him guaranteed money, it was no doubt the right thing to leave. I just don't think it was as easy as all of that. Was the potential extra 40% enough to pull him out of the draft over a guaranteed thing? He answered that question. No. He is betting on himself and trying to get to that second contract. He will still have the potential to make more than most college graduates will make in a lifetime in just a few years. He just needs to be smart with his money and figure out a strategy for after the NBA. I really hope he stays heavily involved with Purdue and can help us land some recruits in the next few classes. All coaches use their former players as recruiting tools. Biggie has an incredible connection to Midwest high school kids, like KBJ and Williams to name a couple.
Being realistic, there is a reason his draft stock is where it is. and it's not because of his turnovers. Coming back, he could be the player of the year. But look where this year's player of the year is projected to be drafted . and this year's player of the year is NOT getting any shoe deal.
his critics say Biggie is too slow, he doesn't defend perimeter players well, he doesn't have the athleticism to block shots, and he's too small to play center. He could have a monster year, but it's very doubtful he can improve upon any of these criticisms. Staying at college one more year is not going to improve his speed, height, or jumping ability. And his draft stock will remain the same.
Maybe Biggie is the second coming of Russell Cross or more likely OSU's Sullinger and will never become a star in the NBA.
Many have said next year's draft will be a weak one. But all 6 of those UK players will still be drafted before Biggie as will many other unknown Euro players and one and done prospects. If Biggie is still going to be a second round pick next year, then by staying at Purdue, he just threw $800K - 1 million out the window. How many other Purdue students would be willing to do that? Think about it. You could go to Purdue, or make $1 million next year . What would you do? We're not talking about $50,000. We're talking about $1 million.
On the bright side, Biggie's draft stock is rising. In today's mock draft, he climbed back up to #31. On the other hand, player of the year Frank Mason dropped to #54. Biggie said he came to Purdue as a business decision. And by leaving now , he made the right business decision.
his critics say Biggie is too slow, he doesn't defend perimeter players well, he doesn't have the athleticism to block shots, and he's too small to play center. He could have a monster year, but it's very doubtful he can improve upon any of these criticisms. Staying at college one more year is not going to improve his speed, height, or jumping ability. And his draft stock will remain the same.
Maybe Biggie is the second coming of Russell Cross or more likely OSU's Sullinger and will never become a star in the NBA.
Many have said next year's draft will be a weak one. But all 6 of those UK players will still be drafted before Biggie as will many other unknown Euro players and one and done prospects. If Biggie is still going to be a second round pick next year, then by staying at Purdue, he just threw $800K - 1 million out the window. How many other Purdue students would be willing to do that? Think about it. You could go to Purdue, or make $1 million next year . What would you do? We're not talking about $50,000. We're talking about $1 million.
On the bright side, Biggie's draft stock is rising. In today's mock draft, he climbed back up to #31. On the other hand, player of the year Frank Mason dropped to #54. Biggie said he came to Purdue as a business decision. And by leaving now , he made the right business decision.
Me too. I really thought he'd stay. I'm taking a sabbatical from posting... What really fumes me is the "dummy" who posted that he was staying 5 minutes before the real post came out. I was celebrating and patting myself on the back only to be shocked a few minutes later. I even thought Biggie's twitter account was a copycat account. Oh well, we are still a solid Top 25-30 team and am still looking forward to next season and the future... Go Boilers....
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