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I Bet He Stays.

What risk....they buy an insurance policy to cover injury if they stay?

If his numbers slip, he falls out the first round. He isn't getting any taller or any faster. That is what is keeping him from being a top 5 pick for some reason. Getting hurt could also likely keep him from being drafted, but it was more about his numbers slipping. The only thing he could improve on his reducing his turnovers. 3 a game is far too many. He could slight improve his value if he gets that down under 1.5 (while keeping his other numbers up) and the next class isn't as strong with big men. That's a lot of risk though.
 
What risk....they buy an insurance policy to cover injury if they stay?

If his numbers slip, he falls out the first round. He isn't getting any taller or any faster. That is what is keeping him from being a top 5 pick for some reason. Getting hurt could also likely keep him from being drafted, but it was more about his numbers slipping. The only thing he could improve on his reducing his turnovers. 3 a game is far too many. He could slight improve his value if he gets that down under 1.5 (while keeping his other numbers up) and the next class isn't as strong with big men. That's a lot of risk though.

There is no reason for his numbers to slip, if he has been guaranteed a first round draft, then of course go, but that is not definite from anything I have read so far! He still has to show he can transition to the NBA game as it is today and going through the evaluation process and playing in those scrimmages will show if he can or cannot be a first round pick and get that guaranteed money or it could be a year in the D League like Hammons. He was fortunate to sign a guaranteed contract while being a 2nd round pick I believe!
 
The argument for staying is his young age (19) and play time. PT is the best way to improve.

Next year he will still be 3 years younger than when AJ was drafted (23).
 
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If his numbers slip, he falls out the first round. He isn't getting any taller or any faster. That is what is keeping him from being a top 5 pick for some reason. Getting hurt could also likely keep him from being drafted, but it was more about his numbers slipping. The only thing he could improve on his reducing his turnovers. 3 a game is far too many. He could slight improve his value if he gets that down under 1.5 (while keeping his other numbers up) and the next class isn't as strong with big men. That's a lot of risk though.

He's not getting taller, but he might well get faster. Biggie is a unique case. Look at his quickness difference between years one and two. I strongly suspect his vertical rose a couple inches this year as well. There's no reason not to believe he can continue to remake his body, get that vertical up from twenty-nine to thirty-one, and become an even more athletic player.

Of course, he can do that here or in the League. I'm just saying, given his extremely young age and his incredible improvement thus far, I think it's perhaps likely his speed and athleticism will grow.
 
He's still gone.

I'd worry more about VE and Haas' decisions. This one is more than made.

Oh, I think he's gone too. I'm not 100%--more like 95%--but yeah, I think he's gone. I'm merely saying there's a small chance he stays, and if he were to stay, he'd continue to develop. But as I've said elsewhere, he needs to make the best decision for him.
 
I can understand your thoughts. However, Biggie has said multiple times coming to Purdue was a business decision. If he stays at Purdue, his stats are likely to stay about the same or maybe even less as our guards will take more shots, and Haas will play more minutes and will look to grab more rebounds and pad his own stats to impress NBA scouts.

I can see Biggie improving his defense, however, what great and quick Pfs who are hyped as being first round picks will he have an opportunity to showcase and prove his talents against? I can see a lot of sagging zone defenses against him forcing him to pass more. And our schedule doesn't include as many pushovers.

Frankly, I don't see Biggies improving his draft stock. It's basically a crap shoot of teams drafting for needs between picks 20-30. Even in duplicating his season, Biggie could rise to 2O or easily slide to 30. NBA teams prefer the unknown over the known. I thought Hammons was a sure #1 round pick, but he slipped to the second round.

I'm confident Barnes will be able to get him a guaranteed contract. And it will be a decision of making $1+ million and playing in the d league, or playing for Purdue for free. And as Biggie has said, it will be a business decision. Forget about getting the insurance policy. It's a choice of being paid $1+ million to play basketball, or go to class and play for free. If you were an engineer and offered a job at$1 Million, would you stay at Purdue to get a degree?
 
If he were to stay, which I don't think he will, I don't think he would lose opportunity next year. He would still be our first look each time down the court and I think his numbers would improve slightly as he would become a more efficient scorer and passer due to experience. And there is no way Haas is stealing boards from Swanigan.

The biggest opportunity he would have to show improvement is defensively. If he could improve his quickness on the perimeter and show the ability to block a couple of shots a game I think that would raise his stock some. Right now I would consider him a below average defender and he could change that but I think he looks at the NBA as an opportunity to work on his game full time so I think the only way he would not go is if he weren't convinced that he would get an opportunity to catch on somewhere. As a borderline first rounder I think he's a lock to at least get drafted and that will be enough for him.
 
I can understand your thoughts. However, Biggie has said multiple times coming to Purdue was a business decision. If he stays at Purdue, his stats are likely to stay about the same or maybe even less as our guards will take more shots, and Haas will play more minutes and will look to grab more rebounds and pad his own stats to impress NBA scouts.

I can see Biggie improving his defense, however, what great and quick Pfs who are hyped as being first round picks will he have an opportunity to showcase and prove his talents against? I can see a lot of sagging zone defenses against him forcing him to pass more. And our schedule doesn't include as many pushovers.

Frankly, I don't see Biggies improving his draft stock. It's basically a crap shoot of teams drafting for needs between picks 20-30. Even in duplicating his season, Biggie could rise to 2O or easily slide to 30. NBA teams prefer the unknown over the known. I thought Hammons was a sure #1 round pick, but he slipped to the second round.

I'm confident Barnes will be able to get him a guaranteed contract. And it will be a decision of making $1+ million and playing in the d league, or playing for Purdue for free. And as Biggie has said, it will be a business decision. Forget about getting the insurance policy. It's a choice of being paid $1+ million to play basketball, or go to class and play for free. If you were an engineer and offered a job at$1 Million, would you stay at Purdue to get a degree?

My business operates a lot better on cash than hopes and dreams. I bet his does too.

He gone.
 
I don't think there is any chance he stays because of the risk.

However, if he comes back and is able to get his turnovers under control, Purdue moves back into the top ten unquestionably. He will have depth behind him, which will allow him to be more aggressive on the defensive end. Keeping the entire main compenents from a sweet sixteen team and adding Eastern, Wheeler, Haarms, and Ewing. Wheeler may end up red shirting, but Eastern gives another dimension to the guard play and Haarms/Ewing give the bigs more depth. Not to mention the option of Taylor returning. Would have a shot at a final four.

If he goes, Garrison Brooks is the best realistic option for Purdue to take his place. Will keep us moving forward and he is the athletic rim protector we have needed, but haven't had.

The inly thing we add next year is Eastern, none of those other dudes are going to get any PT next year
 
The inly thing we add next year is Eastern, none of those other dudes are going to get any PT next year

You think they all three get exactly zero minutes a game? I would take that bet. If Taylor doesn't stay healthy, Ewing or Haarms will be the primary backup at the 5. Who backs up the 4? Wheeler or Ewing. Unless they grab a 4-5 that can play right away, there are minutes that will be going to Freshman other than Eastern.

This is, of course, assuming that Biggie leaves. If Biggie comes back, that would be an entirely factual statement. Wheeler/Ewing could possibly sneak some minutes, but nothing meaningful.
 
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I believe those figures are from the 2016-17 rookie scale. My understanding of the current rookie contract is that for
'17-'18 Rookies
1st year - #15 - $1.971m - #28 - $1.179m
2nd year - #15 - $2.339m - #28 - $1.399m
3rd year - #15 - $2.734m - #28 - $1.635m
and '18-19 Rookies
1st year - #15 - $2.250m - #28 - $1.346m
2nd year - #15 - $2.636m - #28 - $1.576m
3rd year - #15 - $2.761m - #28 - $1.651m

If signing this year at #28 income for the next 3 years is $4.213m
($1.179m + 1.399m+ 1.635m)
If signing next year at #15 income for the next 3 years is $4.886m
($0 + $2.250m + $2.636m)
So the net differential, while sizeable, is "only" $673,000 AND more importantly if he believes that he will become a long term NBAer, he is one year nearer shedding his rookie contract. From a business side analysis I think your analysis is far less accurate in that it fails to take into account the loss of income for the year he would return and the goal of getting past rookie contract asap. I fully agree with your sentiment that it is his decision and he seems to be getting very good advice so far, and certainly assume that it will continue.


What if he is second round money with zero endorsements? Second round money would be a considerable bozo move on his part. You ain't getting no honey with second round money my friend while all the other names get fame level. Second round money is shillings for the Euro leaguers. Just like mr big mouth said from Iowa State when he taunted our PG with some superior letting him know who's boss talk. If there is any and I mean any chance of shilling second round money you better believe he'd be wise to return and increase his stock or else he just sold himself short at the ski resort my friend.

What is particularly less important is the NBA salary and much mucchhhhhhhhh more important is the endorsement deals. Ben Simmons isn't complaining after he clinched that Nike deal beleeeeeee dat. He is busy buying houses round the world right now with some fancy cars at each on a beach. I think this draft comes down to one thing for Swan this year. Can he be a top 10 pick next year if he stays? Will he be a second round pick this year if he goes. High risk for high return. Look at his weaknesses look at his strengths. Slowness and turnovers in college are by far his weaknesses and that matters a WHOLE WHOOOOOOLE lot more in the NBA than it does college. The NBA is far more fast than college. How will slowness look amidst quicker athletes of equal size and skill? What kind of endorsements would a top 5 pick get? A top 10 pick makes 10-15 times more easily with endorsements. Thon Maker got taken number 10 in last year's draft and he got a real nice Adidas shoe deal. He didn't take no second round money. Not sure how many shoe deals Hammons got getting picked 46th. It's a whole lots harder to gets that kind of money being bottom of the pack and if I was him I wouldn't be playing cracker jack boxes with this kinds of cash. Ever seen those slot machines at the casino that you win and the machine says take 250 dollars or spin one more time for a chance at 10-20 thouzee? Guess what you better spin that wheel one more time because 250 dollazzz isn't buying no fancy collazzzzz peeps. So like I said would it be better to come back and be a top 10 pick, hopefully better than that? You best believe.

Not to mention we got romped by Kansas just utterly blasted. That second half of the Kansas game alone probably knocked Swan's draft down several notches easily. That was a widely watched game and Purdue just collapsed in one of the biggest showmanship romps in recent tourney memory. It was dunk city celebration time for Kansas on NCAA primetime tele. The biggest blowout of the tournament in sweet 16. We caught a whippen by Kansas like nobody could believe and then Kansas turned around the next game and got tossed around like a rag doll by Oregon whom didn't have one of their best players and still pushed them around like shmucks. Oregon embarrassed Kansas in front of their home crowd. Scouts saw that game and said backup player. That's what Swan means to scouts right now after that and that doesn't sit well with me. I can't predict what he will do. I'll tell you what I would do. I'd come back to Purdue with this experienced team. I'd push every player on that team to be ready for this season and I'd make it my mission to get quicker like never before during offseason. I'd insist on a final four season and take nothing less. That's big money style.
 
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What if he is second round money with zero endorsements? Second round money would be a considerable bozo move on his part. You ain't getting no honey with second round money my friend while all the other names get fame level. Second round money is shillings for the Euro leaguers. Just like mr big mouth said from Iowa State when he taunted our PG with some superior letting him know who's boss talk. If there is any and I mean any chance of shilling second round money you better believe he'd be wise to return and increase his stock or else he just sold himself short at the ski resort my friend.

What is particularly less important is the NBA salary and much mucchhhhhhhhh more important is the endorsement deals. Ben Simmons isn't complaining after he clinched that Nike deal beleeeeeee dat. He is busy buying houses round the world right now with some fancy cars at each on a beach. I think this draft comes down to one thing for Swan this year. Can he be a top 10 pick next year if he stays? Will he be a second round pick this year if he goes. High risk for high return. Look at his weaknesses look at his strengths. Slowness and turnovers in college are by far his weaknesses and that matters a WHOLE WHOOOOOOLE lot more in the NBA than it does college. The NBA is far more fast than college. How will slowness look amidst quicker athletes of equal size and skill? What kind of endorsements would a top 5 pick get? A top 10 pick makes 10-15 times more easily with endorsements. Its a whole lots harder to gets that kind of money being bottom of the pack and if I was him I wouldn't be playing cracker jack boxes with this kinds of cash. Ever seen those slot machines at the casino that you win and the machine says take 250 dollars or spin one more time for a chance at 10-20 thouzee? Guess what you better spin that wheel one more time because 250 dollazzz isn't buying no fancy collazzzzz peeps. So like I said would it be better to come back and be a top 10 pick, hopefully better than that? You best believe.

Not to mention we got romped by Kansas just utterly blasted. That second half of the Kansas game alone probably knocked Swan's draft down several notches easily. That was a widely watched game and Purdue just collapsed in one of the biggest showmanship romps in recent tourney memory. It was dunk city celebration time for Kansas on NCAA primetime tele. The biggest blowout of the tournament in sweet 16. We caught a whippen by Kansas like nobody could believe and then Kansas turned around the next game and got tossed around like a rag doll by Oregon whom didn't have one of their best players and still pushed them around like shmucks. Oregon embarrassed Kansas in front of their home crowd. Scouts saw that game and said backup player. That's what Swan means to scouts right now after that and that doesn't sit well with me. I can't predict what he will do. I'll tell you what I would do. I'd come back to Purdue with this experienced team. I'd push every player on that team to be ready for this season and I'd make it my mission to get quicker like never before during offseason. I'd insist on a final four season and take nothing less. That's big money style.
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What if he is second round money with zero endorsements? Second round money would be a considerable bozo move on his part. You ain't getting no honey with second round money my friend while all the other names get fame level. Second round money is shillings for the Euro leaguers. Just like mr big mouth said from Iowa State when he taunted our PG with some superior letting him know who's boss talk. If there is any and I mean any chance of shilling second round money you better believe he'd be wise to return and increase his stock or else he just sold himself short at the ski resort my friend.

What is particularly less important is the NBA salary and much mucchhhhhhhhh more important is the endorsement deals. Ben Simmons isn't complaining after he clinched that Nike deal beleeeeeee dat. He is busy buying houses round the world right now with some fancy cars at each on a beach. I think this draft comes down to one thing for Swan this year. Can he be a top 10 pick next year if he stays? Will he be a second round pick this year if he goes. High risk for high return. Look at his weaknesses look at his strengths. Slowness and turnovers in college are by far his weaknesses and that matters a WHOLE WHOOOOOOLE lot more in the NBA than it does college. The NBA is far more fast than college. How will slowness look amidst quicker athletes of equal size and skill? What kind of endorsements would a top 5 pick get? A top 10 pick makes 10-15 times more easily with endorsements. Thon Maker got taken number 10 in last year's draft and he got a real nice Adidas shoe deal. He didn't take no second round money. Not sure how many shoe deals Hammons got getting picked 46th. It's a whole lots harder to gets that kind of money being bottom of the pack and if I was him I wouldn't be playing cracker jack boxes with this kinds of cash. Ever seen those slot machines at the casino that you win and the machine says take 250 dollars or spin one more time for a chance at 10-20 thouzee? Guess what you better spin that wheel one more time because 250 dollazzz isn't buying no fancy collazzzzz peeps. So like I said would it be better to come back and be a top 10 pick, hopefully better than that? You best believe.

Not to mention we got romped by Kansas just utterly blasted. That second half of the Kansas game alone probably knocked Swan's draft down several notches easily. That was a widely watched game and Purdue just collapsed in one of the biggest showmanship romps in recent tourney memory. It was dunk city celebration time for Kansas on NCAA primetime tele. The biggest blowout of the tournament in sweet 16. We caught a whippen by Kansas like nobody could believe and then Kansas turned around the next game and got tossed around like a rag doll by Oregon whom didn't have one of their best players and still pushed them around like shmucks. Oregon embarrassed Kansas in front of their home crowd. Scouts saw that game and said backup player. That's what Swan means to scouts right now after that and that doesn't sit well with me. I can't predict what he will do. I'll tell you what I would do. I'd come back to Purdue with this experienced team. I'd push every player on that team to be ready for this season and I'd make it my mission to get quicker like never before during offseason. I'd insist on a final four season and take nothing less. That's big money style.
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What if he is second round money with zero endorsements? Second round money would be a considerable bozo move on his part. You ain't getting no honey with second round money my friend while all the other names get fame level. Second round money is shillings for the Euro leaguers. Just like mr big mouth said from Iowa State when he taunted our PG with some superior letting him know who's boss talk. If there is any and I mean any chance of shilling second round money you better believe he'd be wise to return and increase his stock or else he just sold himself short at the ski resort my friend.

What is particularly less important is the NBA salary and much mucchhhhhhhhh more important is the endorsement deals. Ben Simmons isn't complaining after he clinched that Nike deal beleeeeeee dat. He is busy buying houses round the world right now with some fancy cars at each on a beach. I think this draft comes down to one thing for Swan this year. Can he be a top 10 pick next year if he stays? Will he be a second round pick this year if he goes. High risk for high return. Look at his weaknesses look at his strengths. Slowness and turnovers in college are by far his weaknesses and that matters a WHOLE WHOOOOOOLE lot more in the NBA than it does college. The NBA is far more fast than college. How will slowness look amidst quicker athletes of equal size and skill? What kind of endorsements would a top 5 pick get? A top 10 pick makes 10-15 times more easily with endorsements. Thon Maker got taken number 10 in last year's draft and he got a real nice Adidas shoe deal. He didn't take no second round money. Not sure how many shoe deals Hammons got getting picked 46th. It's a whole lots harder to gets that kind of money being bottom of the pack and if I was him I wouldn't be playing cracker jack boxes with this kinds of cash. Ever seen those slot machines at the casino that you win and the machine says take 250 dollars or spin one more time for a chance at 10-20 thouzee? Guess what you better spin that wheel one more time because 250 dollazzz isn't buying no fancy collazzzzz peeps. So like I said would it be better to come back and be a top 10 pick, hopefully better than that? You best believe.

Not to mention we got romped by Kansas just utterly blasted. That second half of the Kansas game alone probably knocked Swan's draft down several notches easily. That was a widely watched game and Purdue just collapsed in one of the biggest showmanship romps in recent tourney memory. It was dunk city celebration time for Kansas on NCAA primetime tele. The biggest blowout of the tournament in sweet 16. We caught a whippen by Kansas like nobody could believe and then Kansas turned around the next game and got tossed around like a rag doll by Oregon whom didn't have one of their best players and still pushed them around like shmucks. Oregon embarrassed Kansas in front of their home crowd. Scouts saw that game and said backup player. That's what Swan means to scouts right now after that and that doesn't sit well with me. I can't predict what he will do. I'll tell you what I would do. I'd come back to Purdue with this experienced team. I'd push every player on that team to be ready for this season and I'd make it my mission to get quicker like never before during offseason. I'd insist on a final four season and take nothing less. That's big money style.

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Excitabull

1 oz. Vodka

1 oz. Peach Schnapps

1 can Red Bull

Cranberry Juice

Mix vodka, schnaaps and Red Bull in large glass with ice and top with cranberry juice.

Some prefer a quick double extra bull boost...they add two cans of Red Bull. Then all the WHOOOOOOLE clichés jump up like a collazzzzz cat on a hot car hood.
YUMMMMMYYYYYYYY!!!!!
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Excitabull

1 oz. Vodka

1 oz. Peach Schnapps

1 can Red Bull

Cranberry Juice

Mix vodka, schnaaps and Red Bull in large glass with ice and top with cranberry juice.

Some prefer a quick double extra bull boost...they add two cans of Red Bull. Then all the WHOOOOOOLE clichés jump up like a collazzzzz cat on a hot car hood.
YUMMMMMYYYYYYYY!!!!!

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I think we need to think about a person by the name of Buddy Hield. Stayed all 4 years at Oklahoma. Came out of HS as a rivals 4 star 86th ranked. You think he didn't benefit staying until he was a senior? After being drafted as the 6th overall pick as a senior he got a shoe deal. As a sophomore he was averaging 16 per game and could have been an easy 1st round pick as a junior. He was exactly in Swan's spot as a sophomore being a second round high draft projection. As a senior he averaged 25 points per game. Now had he gone into the draft even as a junior he would of cost himself tens of millions. If it was as simple as enter the NBA because you are a sophomore then Valentine wouldn't have stayed until he was a senior being the 14th overall pick. It makes no sense to go early as a sophomore unless you are a lottery pick. Especially if staying another year means you'll probably be a lottery pick. Just foolish in my mind. Imagine what a full year of playing college basketball with what he's done so far behind his belt does for his draft cause next year. If he were to follow this year up with his current stats and then increase his assist stats. Gain a little speed. Good lord. He'd be a top 5 pick in my mind especially considering Purdue has all these people back next year. This is a no brainer to return. Most of these guys don't get the supporting cast Swan would have at Purdue should he stay. If Haas improves his speed alone Swan's stats will improve. Just because of what that's gonna do to the people tasked with defending them. If ever there is a case to return this is it. Even if he made zero improvement and lost a little stats just coming in ballpark will have NBA scouts interested enough for top 15 draft status especially if he improves in the assist column.
 
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If it were a lock that CS is leaving, CMP would be on some of these PF's that are leaving other schools. There are plenty of good bigs & PF's that are available & I don't see Purdue listed as even interested in any. With the loaded 18 class & a team coming back that is ready to contend, that would make the most sense.
 
I don't think there is any chance he stays because of the risk.

However, if he comes back and is able to get his turnovers under control, Purdue moves back into the top ten unquestionably. He will have depth behind him, which will allow him to be more aggressive on the defensive end. Keeping the entire main compenents from a sweet sixteen team and adding Eastern, Wheeler, Haarms, and Ewing. Wheeler may end up red shirting, but Eastern gives another dimension to the guard play and Haarms/Ewing give the bigs more depth. Not to mention the option of Taylor returning. Would have a shot at a final four.

If he goes, Garrison Brooks is the best realistic option for Purdue to take his place. Will keep us moving forward and he is the athletic rim protector we have needed, but haven't had.

The risk? You can take out insurance policies that pay nicely in that event. I'm not sure that's "the reason" that should at least change someone's mind who's guardian can get him the best insurance policies possible.

From the NFL draft, Michigan's Jake Butt:

ESPN's Darren Rovell reported that Butt took out a $2 million loss-of-value insurance policy that will pay him $10,000 tax-free per pick that went without him being selected since the middle of the third round - for a total payout of $543,000. That policy was reportedly attached to a $2 million total disability policy he took out before last season.
 
To me the key is if MP can sell to Biggie that he, VE and IH will play a minimum of 24 minutes together each game next year. Biggie will play a max of 8 minutes per game at center. Biggie has to show the NBA scouts more drives to the hoop and the ability to guard a quicker player plus be able to be in D position to help out and rebound.

IH may also be tempted to go in the draft. He is a proficient low post scoring machine and will be very valuable to the right team as a back up center. MP will have to estimate 24-28 minutes per game for IH.

VE won't leave unless he needs the money and is content playing overseas. VE has had very good moments, but he has to show that he can consistently play as a SF. He has the tools and while he can play PF, his value professionally is at SF.

The only downside is that DM, CE and PJ have to split 75 minutes. Our incoming freshman may be ready to play 15-20 minutes, but will be limited. RC will be seen more as a sniper coming in at SG or SF at strategic moments, but his playing time will decrease to 12-15 minutes unless he finds a way to get quicker. This also means there will be only significant minutes for one incoming big man or Taylor.

From past instances, I wouldn't expect Painter to "sell" Swanigan on anything - let alone minimum number of minutes he will play with certain players.
 
I bet he goes. I don't think his draft stock can get much higher than it is right now. If he stays and his production (while very good) is about the same, his draft stock will be either the same or lower next year (or the year after). He's always said that playing in the NBA is his #1 goal, so why not go ahead and stay in the draft this year?

While I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him go this year, this is a paragraph with silly statements.

His stock will either be the same or lower next year? Huh? He improved significantly in the last 12 months, how can he not possibly improve in the next 12?

Stats are not the selling point to get drafted. Drew Brees was a three year starter. His senior year wasn't the year he threw for the most yards (it was actually his worst), it wasn't the year he threw his most touchdowns (it was 13 fewer than his best), it wasn't his best completion percentage wise (it was his worst). But it was his most effective year.

And your last sentence - if it's always been his goal, why not go ahead and stay? Every damn player's dream is to play in the NBA - does that mean Vince and Isaac should stay in it too?


 
This is all wasted hot air chatter.....he is going and we all need to be thankful he choose to be a Boilermaker.

I for one, wish him well and look forward to Taylor, Ewing, Wheeler and Haarms now following in his footsteps and Purdue reloading for once and moving even further towards the goal of a NCAA Championship.

Thank you Biggie and wish you the best in everything you do and remember you're always a Boilermaker so give back and visit often.

Boiler Up!

LOL I love people who are so defensive about something you personally have no clue. If I had a gun to my head, I'd say he goes pro. But I'm not going to make the decision against him coming back for him so I can be the first to thank him. Geesh, only Purdue fans would be excited to declare him not coming back.
 
While I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him go this year, this is a paragraph with silly statements.

His stock will either be the same or lower next year? Huh? He improved significantly in the last 12 months, how can he not possibly improve in the next 12?

Stats are not the selling point to get drafted. Drew Brees was a three year starter. His senior year wasn't the year he threw for the most yards (it was actually his worst), it wasn't the year he threw his most touchdowns (it was 13 fewer than his best), it wasn't his best completion percentage wise (it was his worst). But it was his most effective year.

And your last sentence - if it's always been his goal, why not go ahead and stay? Every damn player's dream is to play in the NBA - does that mean Vince and Isaac should stay in it too?


Athletically, he has a ceiling and I believe he's pretty close to reaching it if he hasn't already. Swanigan is a more legit draft prospect right now than Haas or VE: that's the difference between them.
 
As I look at Biggie, how much more can he improve next year? And what accolade could he receive that would actually improve his draft stock? I also look at next year's projected top ten. Even in duplicating this season, it is going to be very hard for him to break that top 10 as NBA scouts go after prospects rather than proven players. Jackson was arguably Kansas' third best player, yet he's projected as a top 5 pick in the draft. And Kansas' player of the year is projected as a possible second rounder. Biggie could win player of the year and watch his stock drop as some freshman prospect catches the eyes of NBA scouts.

Biggie will have a chance in the next two weeks to show off his talent. I suspect some GM to tell him if he's available, they will pick him. And Biggie will leave. I just don't see winning a player of the year and being a final 4 team being enough of an incentive for him to stay over being drafted in the first or early second round. Hammons received guaranteed money for being a second round pick. I have to believe Biggie would receive and accept a similar deal.
 
As I look at Biggie, how much more can he improve next year? And what accolade could he receive that would actually improve his draft stock? I also look at next year's projected top ten. Even in duplicating this season, it is going to be very hard for him to break that top 10 as NBA scouts go after prospects rather than proven players. Jackson was arguably Kansas' third best player, yet he's projected as a top 5 pick in the draft. And Kansas' player of the year is projected as a possible second rounder. Biggie could win player of the year and watch his stock drop as some freshman prospect catches the eyes of NBA scouts.

Biggie will have a chance in the next two weeks to show off his talent. I suspect some GM to tell him if he's available, they will pick him. And Biggie will leave. I just don't see winning a player of the year and being a final 4 team being enough of an incentive for him to stay over being drafted in the first or early second round. Hammons received guaranteed money for being a second round pick. I have to believe Biggie would receive and accept a similar deal.

I think it is more than just getting drafted. He wants to be able to play. The second contract is what matters and it is hard to get a second contract if you never see the floor. It is crazy to think the runner up for the national player of the year can't get a shot. Some of the people projected ahead of him are mind boggling. The NBA draft doesn't focus on results or the best available player. It seems to highlight potential. Biggie has a perceived ceiling for athleticism and that Kansas game hurt his stock. While I still think he goes, I don't think it is a no brainer and I wouldn't be shocked if he chooses to stay. If Biggie finds a way to reduce his turnovers (his biggest flaw), add 2-5 ppg, maintaining rpg, and increasing apg it would be hard to say his stock wouldn't improve in a "weaker" draft. Especially if he can show a little more explosiveness on defense/offense. If he comes back, he is the projected player of the year on a top 5 preseason team (according to Parrish). Can't get much more exposure than that. I think he wants to make sure he goes someplace and gets an opportunity.

Side note: I really would have liked to see Biggie in Purdue gear while at the Fort. Purdue needs him as an ambassador for players like KBJ. It was nice to see him at the event though and making himself available. He is currently one of (if not the biggest) stories in college basketball right now. It has been great for exposure for Purdue.
 
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LOL I love people who are so defensive about something you personally have no clue. If I had a gun to my head, I'd say he goes pro. But I'm not going to make the decision against him coming back for him so I can be the first to thank him. Geesh, only Purdue fans would be excited to declare him not coming back.
Pot calling Kettle Black......
 
Pot calling Kettle Black......

Huh? I've stated multiple times that if I had to guess, he'll leave and I think the combine will be a heavily determining factor as it was last year. I'll be fine with whatever decision he makes - he's in a great position that many players don't have the opportunity to be in the same position. He can come back and he has basically an entire team returning around him. Or he can leave - he's going to get drafted and be able to play professionally on some level, just a matter of what level that would be.

But I'm not going to downright refuse someone's opinion that he could come back as flat out wrong.
 
Apparently, Biggie has decided not to play in the combine and let his body of work at Purdue speak for itself.

http://www.wlfi.com/story/35358420/caleb-swanigan-decides-not-to-play-in-nba-combine

Interesting choice. I don't know that it necessarily means anything about his intentions of staying or leaving. He dominated a lot of the competition throughout the season, so I am surprised by the move. A chance to dominate yet again and a chance to play and fit with others that are expected to get drafted. It is a calculated move and I am sure he was advised to sit out. May 24th can't come fast enough.
 
Huh? I've stated multiple times that if I had to guess, he'll leave and I think the combine will be a heavily determining factor as it was last year. I'll be fine with whatever decision he makes - he's in a great position that many players don't have the opportunity to be in the same position. He can come back and he has basically an entire team returning around him. Or he can leave - he's going to get drafted and be able to play professionally on some level, just a matter of what level that would be.

But I'm not going to downright refuse someone's opinion that he could come back as flat out wrong.
ha ha even blacker.....defensive....I think so

You want a bigger shovel or ladder to climb out of that hole your in.....
 
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I still bet he stays. Always have. I also wonder how many people are going to say that they felt he was going to stay as well? Am sure hundreds. If I am wrong, I am wrong. But I have said he stays from the start.
 
I still bet he stays. Always have. I also wonder how many people are going to say that they felt he was going to stay as well? Am sure hundreds. If I am wrong, I am wrong. But I have said he stays from the start.

I like you from beginning say stay as well. You coined the phrase "I bet he stays". And hence, "I bet he stays".
 
I still bet he stays. Always have. I also wonder how many people are going to say that they felt he was going to stay as well? Am sure hundreds. If I am wrong, I am wrong. But I have said he stays from the start.
With you 100%. I've always said he's staying.
 
What if he is second round money with zero endorsements? Second round money would be a considerable bozo move on his part. You ain't getting no honey with second round money my friend while all the other names get fame level. Second round money is shillings for the Euro leaguers. Just like mr big mouth said from Iowa State when he taunted our PG with some superior letting him know who's boss talk. If there is any and I mean any chance of shilling second round money you better believe he'd be wise to return and increase his stock or else he just sold himself short at the ski resort my friend.

What is particularly less important is the NBA salary and much mucchhhhhhhhh more important is the endorsement deals. Ben Simmons isn't complaining after he clinched that Nike deal beleeeeeee dat. He is busy buying houses round the world right now with some fancy cars at each on a beach. I think this draft comes down to one thing for Swan this year. Can he be a top 10 pick next year if he stays? Will he be a second round pick this year if he goes. High risk for high return. Look at his weaknesses look at his strengths. Slowness and turnovers in college are by far his weaknesses and that matters a WHOLE WHOOOOOOLE lot more in the NBA than it does college. The NBA is far more fast than college. How will slowness look amidst quicker athletes of equal size and skill? What kind of endorsements would a top 5 pick get? A top 10 pick makes 10-15 times more easily with endorsements. Thon Maker got taken number 10 in last year's draft and he got a real nice Adidas shoe deal. He didn't take no second round money. Not sure how many shoe deals Hammons got getting picked 46th. It's a whole lots harder to gets that kind of money being bottom of the pack and if I was him I wouldn't be playing cracker jack boxes with this kinds of cash. Ever seen those slot machines at the casino that you win and the machine says take 250 dollars or spin one more time for a chance at 10-20 thouzee? Guess what you better spin that wheel one more time because 250 dollazzz isn't buying no fancy collazzzzz peeps. So like I said would it be better to come back and be a top 10 pick, hopefully better than that? You best believe.

Not to mention we got romped by Kansas just utterly blasted. That second half of the Kansas game alone probably knocked Swan's draft down several notches easily. That was a widely watched game and Purdue just collapsed in one of the biggest showmanship romps in recent tourney memory. It was dunk city celebration time for Kansas on NCAA primetime tele. The biggest blowout of the tournament in sweet 16. We caught a whippen by Kansas like nobody could believe and then Kansas turned around the next game and got tossed around like a rag doll by Oregon whom didn't have one of their best players and still pushed them around like shmucks. Oregon embarrassed Kansas in front of their home crowd. Scouts saw that game and said backup player. That's what Swan means to scouts right now after that and that doesn't sit well with me. I can't predict what he will do. I'll tell you what I would do. I'd come back to Purdue with this experienced team. I'd push every player on that team to be ready for this season and I'd make it my mission to get quicker like never before during offseason. I'd insist on a final four season and take nothing less. That's big money style.

Top paid Euro league player starts at $3.4 million per year and there is no way Biggie would make near that going there. Even if he gets drafted in the second round, he is going to make similar or better money than he would overseas.

Top Euroleague Salaries

No matter what Biggie does, he won't be a top 10 pick...it just isn't going to happen as he is more slight improvements rather than projection of major jumps of ability (OG Anunoby for example). He could, with continued improvement and another stellar year, work his way in to the mid second round and potentially as a fringe 15 pick. Getting that high and with his backstory...Nike may sign him to a shoe contract. That would be considerably more money than a mid-second round pick or making money in Europe.

Also, your posts are just rambles of jumbled thoughts and run on sentences thus making it very hard to read. I highly doubt that Biggie's draft stock suffered because of a single game where he played to his season averages in points, rebounds, and TO's. Had he gone scoreless, had less than 6 boards, and had 5 TO's...you may be right. But Biggie played to what he had all season long in that game. He has also been on the radar of NBA teams since he was young because of his time in USA Basketball and as an McDonald's AA. Scouts aren't going to have their minds changed on a single game against a superior opponent on a single night. Again, he performed to what was expected of him from his season averages.
 
Top paid Euro league player starts at $3.4 million per year and there is no way Biggie would make near that going there. Even if he gets drafted in the second round, he is going to make similar or better money than he would overseas.

Top Euroleague Salaries

No matter what Biggie does, he won't be a top 10 pick...it just isn't going to happen as he is more slight improvements rather than projection of major jumps of ability (OG Anunoby for example). He could, with continued improvement and another stellar year, work his way in to the mid second round and potentially as a fringe 15 pick. Getting that high and with his backstory...Nike may sign him to a shoe contract. That would be considerably more money than a mid-second round pick or making money in Europe.

Also, your posts are just rambles of jumbled thoughts and run on sentences thus making it very hard to read. I highly doubt that Biggie's draft stock suffered because of a single game where he played to his season averages in points, rebounds, and TO's. Had he gone scoreless, had less than 6 boards, and had 5 TO's...you may be right. But Biggie played to what he had all season long in that game. He has also been on the radar of NBA teams since he was young because of his time in USA Basketball and as an McDonald's AA. Scouts aren't going to have their minds changed on a single game against a superior opponent on a single night. Again, he performed to what was expected of him from his season averages.
I'm on record saying he's gone but hope he stays. To this day, I wish I could have seen our team if GRob stayed one more year.


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