Hunter interview

[Mandeville LA]

Eric Hunter on his decision to commit to Purdue. Said something like out of all the coaches that recruited him MP was the most honest. Promised nothing other than a chance. He did go on to say that Painter assured him that he wanted him. Also said that having Davis and Moore reach out to him was huge.

Painter is a class act no matter what some on here would say. Some kids will never get Matt's approach but they probably are not boilermaker material.

 

[Mandeville LA]

Should have included the link but it's on twitter and I am. It sure how to do it where you would see the video.

 

[punaj]

 

[Mandeville LA]

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Ok it can be done. Thanks Punaj

 

[Wolegib]

These are the exact same words Mrs. Reed said. painter is honest and doesn't promise anything other than a chance to prove himself. and for some that are confident in their skills, that is enough. unfortunately, there are others who either want money or promised they will be the star. if a recruit does his research, he will see painter has given a lot of freshman a chance to start and a chance for significant playing time. and also a chance to be invited to national team tryouts . You can't ask for more personal exposure.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Eric Hunter on his decision to commit to Purdue. Said something like out of all the coaches that recruited him MP was the most honest. Promised nothing other than a chance. He did go on to say that Painter assured him that he wanted him. Also said that having Davis and Moore reach out to him was huge.

Painter is a class act no matter what some on here would say. Some kids will never get Matt's approach but they probably are not boilermaker material.

And some fans here have suggested that Painter lie to a player and tell him that he is guaranteed a starting spot if he commits. Some fans will never get his approach, either...

 

[SIBoiler2]

And some fans here have suggested that Painter lie to a player and tell him that he is guaranteed a starting spot if he commits. Some fans will never get his approach, either...

They're the same ones that don't have a problem with the "liberal" application of shoe money as needed.

 

[BBG]

Eric Hunter on his decision to commit to Purdue. Said something like out of all the coaches that recruited him MP was the most honest. Promised nothing other than a chance. He did go on to say that Painter assured him that he wanted him. Also said that having Davis and Moore reach out to him was huge.

Painter is a class act no matter what some on here would say. Some kids will never get Matt's approach but they probably are not boilermaker material.

And that is the exact coach I want running our program from now until the end of time. If any fan wants Painter to lie to recruits then those are fans I can't take seriously anymore.

Thanks for posting that. It made my day

 

[pharoutengineer]

I don't think I've ever seen a poster on here recommend that Painter lie to a recruit. Not once.

 

[pig1960]

I don't think I've ever seen a poster on here recommend that Painter lie to a recruit. Not once.

Not searching but it has been said multiple times. To be fair it could have been the same poster and it could have been a troll.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I don't think I've ever seen a poster on here recommend that Painter lie to a recruit. Not once.

There were two threads where it was the sole topic. One had several posts about how a great ssalesman aways tells the client what they want to hear, like an impossible delivery date.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

There were two threads where it was the sole topic. One had several posts about how a great ssalesman aways tells the client what they want to hear, like an impossible delivery date.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

There were two threads where it was the sole topic. One had several posts about how a great ssalesman aways tells the client what they want to hear, like an impossible delivery date.

One of the threads to which I think some of the posters are recalling is the "Painter @ Center Grove" exchange.....a longer thread.....but just to help people out with the conversation.

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/painter-at-center-grove-this-morning.126266/

 

[pharoutengineer]

I've seen a lot of people including myself suggest that Painter could improve his salesmanship. But, there's a big difference between being better at a sales pitch and straight up lying.

Admittedly, when posts devolve into a lot of bickering, that's often when I tune out, so perhaps deep in these tit for tat exchanges is where people have advocated for lying to recruits. But, again, I don't recall ever seeing it. I'd love to know who these posters are if that's really true.

 

[TC4THREE]

I don't think I've ever seen a poster on here recommend that Painter lie to a recruit. Not once.

I've seen it suggested many, many times that he should tell recruits what they want to hear whether or not it reflects the reality of the situation.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I've seen a lot of people including myself suggest that Painter could improve his salesmanship. But, there's a big difference between being better at a sales pitch and straight up lying.

Admittedly, when posts devolve into a lot of bickering, that's often when I tune out, so perhaps deep in these tit for tat exchanges is where people have advocated for lying to recruits. But, again, I don't recall ever seeing it. I'd love to know who these posters are if that's really true.

Post 237 (pg 6) of PURDUE GRAD'S posted site has a reference that you can trace backwards and forwards to research. There iss another thread too. I'm sure it's one of the FBI investigation ones.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Judging from the video, he’ll really benefit from strength training in college.

He looks like a very smooth and graceful athlete, which is a gift that, IMO, can’t really be taught. I think that he is going to do very well playing for Painter.

 

[Boilersss]

I think what those posters were trying to say is that the approach mentioned in the video doesn't work on recruits of all talent levels.

Telling a 3* or low 4* recruit that if they come in and bust their ass they might see playing time early is one thing.

This approach can also be used for elite recruits at schools like UK and Duke where they have 5 guys coming in every year with that talent.

Purdue should be selling those elite guys on coming in and potentially being a star. A top recruit hearing Coach K or Cal say they are going to have to compete for playing time against other elite 5 stars is vastly different than Painter telling elite recruits they will have to compete for playing time against 3 stars and low 4 stars.

Telling an elite recruit he will be a star at a place like Purdue is not lying. Painter has had 3 top 50 recruits in his time at Purdue (Moore, Johnson, Swanigan), and they all came in and played big minutes from day 1. It isn't a coincidence that Purdue's two best seasons under Painter have come with elite talent on the roster.

 

[klmLB]

Nice young man and player in Hunter.

I think Painter wants the most talented player he can get that is open to coaching. On our teams that finished at or near the bottom of the B1G, our talent wasn't last place talent. It seemed we had some players that would not listen to coaching and had their own minds made up with how they would play (and it wasn't the best for team success). Painter obviously wants to win and he also doesn't want to endure the headaches of coaching those type of teams/players again.

By not over-promising a player, Painter also establishes a good foundation and trust with the player throughout their time at Purdue. He's not lying to them or just telling them what they want to hear to get them in the door - only to show a totally different side or person once they arrive. You may not always hear what you want, but you can trust in what he is saying (e.g. not two-faced). Forget just basketball, it's very difficult to find a manager or boss like this in the working world and I think players/employees really appreciate this management style when they have it.

We've probably missed on some talent in years past and had to take a lesser talented kid, but with the recent success of his teams - while showcasing talented players (like Biggie), it seems we are making strides in recruiting. It seems the ceiling of players that will listen/consider/commit to Purdue has risen in the past couple years.

I will admit that 3-4 years ago, I didn't think Painter would turn the ship around as he has done. The Biggie commitment was instrumental (and somewhat lucky), but it seems to be paying dividends in the 2017 and 2018 classes. Kudos to Painter for this and hope this trend continues.

2017 and 2018 classes combined seem to be right up there in terms of the best talent in 2 consecutive classes at Purdue. Look forward to watching the foreseeable future of Purdue basketball. Should be fun!

 

[punaj]

Telling an elite recruit he will be a star at a place like Purdue is not lying. Painter has had 3 top 50 recruits in his time at Purdue (Moore, Johnson, Swanigan), and they all came in and played big minutes from day 1. It isn't a coincidence that Purdue's two best seasons under Painter have come with elite talent on the roster.

I don't know why people consistently say JJ was great right away. I love JJ and he was an AA by the end, but as a freshman: 16 mpg, 42% fg pct (not great for a big man), 3 reb/g, 5 ppg. So even a top 50 guy has to prove he can play or he won't get big time playing time.

 

[Boilersss]

I don't know why people consistently say JJ was great right away. I love JJ and he was an AA by the end, but as a freshman: 16 mpg, 42% fg pct (not great for a big man), 3 reb/g, 5 ppg. So even a top 50 guy has to prove he can play or he won't get big time playing time.

He got 17 minutes a game even though he somewhat under performed his freshmen year. That's my point. It isn't a lie to tell elite recruits they will play big minutes their freshmen year.

 

[TC4THREE]

Purdue should be selling those elite guys on coming in and potentially being a star.

And you don't think this happens?

 

[Boilersss]

And you don't think this happens?

Every commit we have had recently says CMP told them "If I come in and work hard, I could compete for playing time right away."

At the same time you hear Romeo Langford talk about IU's approach and says "They are really selling me on being a star at Indiana. They are telling me If I go to Indiana, everybody is going to love me."

Neither approach are lies.

 

[pig1960]

I think what those posters were trying to say is that the approach mentioned in the video doesn't work on recruits of all talent levels.

Telling a 3* or low 4* recruit that if they come in and bust their ass they might see playing time early is one thing.

This approach can also be used for elite recruits at schools like UK and Duke where they have 5 guys coming in every year with that talent.

Purdue should be selling those elite guys on coming in and potentially being a star. A top recruit hearing Coach K or Cal say they are going to have to compete for playing time against other elite 5 stars is vastly different than Painter telling elite recruits they will have to compete for playing time against 3 stars and low 4 stars.

Telling an elite recruit he will be a star at a place like Purdue is not lying. Painter has had 3 top 50 recruits in his time at Purdue (Moore, Johnson, Swanigan), and they all came in and played big minutes from day 1. It isn't a coincidence that Purdue's two best seasons under Painter have come with elite talent on the roster.

Telling a 5* recruit he will be a star anywhere is either lying or you have a time machine. If you have a time machine why are you on this board? And if you are interested on this board because you are a fan with a time machine how come we don't have multiple banners hanging in Mackey? By deductive reasoning you support lying to recruits or you are not a fan with a time machine.

 

[Boilersss]

Telling a 5* recruit he will be a star anywhere is either lying or you have a time machine. If you have a time machine why are you on this board? And if you are interested on this board because you are a fan with a time machine how come we don't have multiple banners hanging in Mackey? By deductive reasoning you support lying to recruits or you are not a fan with a time machine.

This is ridiculous.

 

[pig1960]

This is ridiculous.

It's ridiculous to tell someone you can guarantee their future. Ethical people would say you are a liar or full of crap. Either way you would be lying. Call it salesmanship - I will stick with lying.

 

[Boilersss]

It's ridiculous to tell someone you can guarantee their future. Ethical people would say you are a liar or full of crap. Either way you would be lying. Call it salesmanship - I will stick with lying.

Also, I said POTENTIALLY be a star. Reading is hard. I'm not sure how someone can realistically call it lying to tell a recruit he could become a star at Purdue, but if it helps you sleep at night to think that all the other coaches in college basketball are lying to elite recruits, then I'm happy for you.

 

[pig1960]

Further to the point I doubt Painter promised Biggie he would be a star at Purdue. And I'll bet if he would have Biggie and Rosie would have felt Matt was FOS. Biggie was a star because he busted his ass. I suppose Matt said "continue to bust your ass and I promise I will do everything I can to support you being successful- btw I project we can offer x, y and z that seem compatible to your goals". Just guessing.

 

[Boilersss]

Further to the point I doubt Painter promised Biggie he would be a star at Purdue. And I'll bet if he would have Biggie and Rosie would have felt Matt was FOS. Biggie was a star because he busted his ass. I suppose Matt said "continue to bust your ass and I promise I will do everything I can to support you being successful- btw I project we can offer x, y and z that seem compatible to your goals". Just guessing.

CMP definitely told him he would be playing the 4 at Purdue. That's the reason he decommitted from MSU. Does it make Painter a liar that he played biggie more at the 5 during his career at Purdue? No, it doesn't.

 

[pig1960]

Also, I said POTENTIALLY be a star. Reading is hard. I'm not sure how someone can realistically call it lying to tell a recruit he could become a star at Purdue, but if it helps you sleep at night to think that all the other coaches in college basketball are lying to elite recruits, then I'm happy for you.

I quote you "telling an elite recruit he will be star at a place like Purdue is not lying." Hell man you typed that shit..not me. That's a definite statement without the hedging of probably or could. Apparently typing is hard too. Physician heal thyself.

FTR I didn't mention another coach or program so Im not sure where you came up with the second part of that post?

 

[pig1960]

CMP definitely told him he would be playing the 4 at Purdue. That's the reason he decommitted from MSU. Does it make Painter a liar that he played biggie more at the 5 during his career at Purdue? No, it doesn't.

How do you define a 4 or 5 in a motion based offense. I think you are using outdated terms here. And just for giggles could you link me to the transcript of the Painter/Swanigan conversations.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I've seen it suggested many, many times that he should tell recruits what they want to hear whether or not it reflects the reality of the situation.

Which can certainly help with recruiting more highly ranked players.

But we know a guy who did that, and 13 kids showed up in Bloomington all expecting to take 20 shots in every game.

 

[Boilersss]

I quote you "telling an elite recruit he will be star at a place like Purdue is not lying." Hell man you typed that shit..not me. That's a definite statement without the hedging of probably or could. Apparently typing is hard too. Physician heal thyself.

FTR I didn't mention another coach or program so Im not sure where you came up with the second part of that post?

In my original post I said Potentially. I didn't say it in the post you referenced. No one would see either of those statements as a lie though.

 

[Boilersss]

How do you define a 4 or 5 in a motion based offense. I think you are using outdated terms here. And just for giggles could you link me to the transcript of the Painter/Swanigan conversations.

It's common knowledge that Painter said Swanigan would play the 4. If you didn't hear that, I would assume you don't follow Purdue recruiting very closely.

 

[BoilerBiker]

How do you define a 4 or 5 in a motion based offense. I think you are using outdated terms here. And just for giggles could you link me to the transcript of the Painter/Swanigan conversations.

4/5 designations aside, I believe he was referring to playing alongside hammons/haas & being a dominant collegiate player like painter mentioned upon signing

"We are very excited about signing Biggie. He gives us a guy that we feel can dominate at this level in a couple of areas," Painter said. "He is an outstanding rebounder, a great decision-maker and an overall winner. We are going to need him to score in many different fashions for this team. His ability to play alongside either A.J. (Hammons) or Isaac (Haas) gives us a look that very few have in the country."

 

[BoilerBiker]

CMP definitely told him he would be playing the 4 at Purdue. That's the reason he decommitted from MSU. Does it make Painter a liar that he played biggie more at the 5 during his career at Purdue? No, it doesn't.

and we could possibly see CE used a bit differently than he and painter talked about the PG position/usage upon his signing.

new players, development , etc may change later

 

[Boilersss]

and we could possibly see CE used a bit differently than he and painter talked about the PG position/usage upon his signing.

new players, development , etc may change later

Exactly. It isn't Painter lying to the recruits. Things just change, and CMP will do what's best for the team with the players that he has.

 

[tjreese]

Judging from the video, he’ll really benefit from strength training in college.

He looks like a very smooth and graceful athlete, which is a gift that, IMO, can’t really be taught. I think that he is going to do very well playing for Painter.

The VERY FIRST time I saw him...I really liked him. He seems very smooth and in his makes I like the way it goes through the net...

 

[Inspector100]

In my original post I said Potentially. I didn't say it in the post you referenced. No one would see either of those statements as a lie though.

I saw that you used the word "potentially" in one of your posts. I haven't taken the time to really study your conversation with pig1960 but obviously there is a failure to communicate. Usually both individuals have some fault when that happens. One of you should take the high road to defuse the situation because in reality you both are probably trying to say the same thing. Give it a try and see if that is the case.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

CMP definitely told him he would be playing the 4 at Purdue. That's the reason he decommitted from MSU. Does it make Painter a liar that he played biggie more at the 5 during his career at Purdue? No, it doesn't.

At the same time though, Painter allowed his system to evolve to allow Biggie to play more as a stretch 5...which is really what he has been doing at the NBA level so far. He showed and was able to show while at Purdue to play a 4 role (freshman year) and then showed his growth in the role as a 5 who can work outside in.