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Houston coach Tom Herman

$4M would make him the 5th highest paid coach in the big ten. Purdue isn't going to be shopping in that range.

Daniels has said over and over, he isn't going to join the arms race. You think that only applies to facilities?
He did say that. But before the new TV contract. We will be seeing $15-$20MM more a year. No conference will be getting as much TV revenue as the B1G (and only the SEC is close). Any school in the B1G should be able go get a coach and not worry about cost. And yes, I think that includes Purdue. Our past isn't prologue. The game has totally changed.
 
He did say that. But before the new TV contract. We will be seeing $15-$20MM more a year. No conference will be getting as much TV revenue as the B1G (and only the SEC is close). Any school in the B1G should be able go get a coach and not worry about cost. And yes, I think that includes Purdue. Our past isn't prologue. The game has totally changed.

the department is currently running at a deficit and is still trying to finance then new building and is planning more improvements. That money is already spent
 
the department is currently running at a deficit and is still trying to finance then new building and is planning more improvements. That money is already spent
No it's not. The building dollars don't come out of the TV revenue.

We are in an operating deficient now. We won't be in two years, even if 10,000 people only show up to our games..
 
No it's not. The building dollars don't come out of the TV revenue.

We are in an operating deficient now. We won't be in two years, even if 10,000 people only show up to our games..

They are in an operating deficit in part due to debt service on the Mackey project. You dont think they will similarly fund the new building with BTN money? I do.
 
They are in an operating deficit in part due to debt service on the Mackey project. You dont think they will similarly fund the new building with BTN money? I do.
I don't. The funding for that project has already been allocated through the facility capital bucket. At least that's how I understood it when it was announced. It comes from the same bucket of dollars any campus building would use. But I might be wrong.
 
There's a 0% chance we get Herman. He will go to a higher profile school or stay put. No shot he comes to a school with 6 wins in three years.
Put your money where your mouth is if you're so sure of 'no chance'. I'm not saying he would come to Purdue, but would you give $10,000 to the charity of my choice if he does?
 
The insults are directed at your posts because you're just not living in reality. Two reasons. 1. Purdue will not pay their next coach over $3million. It's just not happening. We have been and always will be pay for performance. The next guy who we pay $4million will have taken us to AT LEAST a NYD bowl game already. 2. Sure, I think Herman would have a chance at winning the west here at Purdue. Nothing is guaranteed though. He still has to recruit Indiana (yuck). He still has to compete with MSU, OSU and Michigan for high end recruits (yuck). HE still has to deal with Ross Ade being in the bottom 4 of stadiums in the conference.

The reasons above are just a few of the 20+ why he wouldn't come here.

When you say that it's easier to win the BIG West than the SEC West, you are creating a fallacy. Sure, if you took the same program and held its variables constant across the schedules, it would be easier to win the BIG West. What you aren't taking into account is that the SEC team is going to automatically have more "rivals star" talent than a historically middling BIG team. While the opponents seem tougher, your talent level will also be higher. There's just no constant to say that it's definitively easier to win at Purdue than an SEC West school. If that's true....why is Nick Saban flourishing and DH stuggling to coach his way out of a paper bag? A good coach would still have to recruit a less talent rich area in the Midwest.....and those are facts.

Herman's not coming here. Shoot, i'd make you a $50 bet to the charity of your choice that Purdue doesn't sniff an interview with a consensus top 3 coaching candidate in their search in November/December (with Herman included). And we don't even hire a guy who would be considered in the top 5. I don't think its necessarily an indictment on the new AD or Mitch.....it's more telling of what we would be willing to pay, what our legacy is, what our facilities are currently like and what the recruiting climate is in Indiana and surrounding areas. There are always bigger and better historical football schools looking for coaches. Even more now with how amped up the pressure is in the SEC, BIG and ACC!

$50.....oh, Mr. Big Bucks! Let's make it $5,000?
As for recruiting, unless you're the basketball coach, you're not all that concerned about recruiting IN. Sure, you need to get some players here and there, but you're still recruiting the south and other states with deeper talent pools (like Tiller did).
And regarding 'legacy'. That's what needs to be changed. That's the job of the new AD, the new BOR, the new HC if we get one. Based on the challenges you present, P has to do something different to compete on a national level.
 
I don't. The funding for that project has already been allocated through the facility capital bucket. At least that's how I understood it when it was announced. It comes from the same bucket of dollars any campus building would use. But I might be wrong.

As I understood it, the don't have all the funding in place. Could be wrong myself
 
$50.....oh, Mr. Big Bucks! Let's make it $5,000?
As for recruiting, unless you're the basketball coach, you're not all that concerned about recruiting IN. Sure, you need to get some players here and there, but you're still recruiting the south and other states with deeper talent pools (like Tiller did).
And regarding 'legacy'. That's what needs to be changed. That's the job of the new AD, the new BOR, the new HC if we get one. Based on the challenges you present, P has to do something different to compete on a national level.

We have put just as many Indiana guys into the NFL as guys from any other state over the past 20 years. To say it's not important is ignoring reality. Not recruiting Indiana is a mistake, especially since the state is much much deeper talent wise than it was just 10 years ago.

It shouldn't be the only part of our recruiting strategy....but it should be a decent chunk of it (i'd like to sign 10 IN kids a year).
 
We have put just as many Indiana guys into the NFL as guys from any other state over the past 20 years. To say it's not important is ignoring reality. Not recruiting Indiana is a mistake, especially since the state is much much deeper talent wise than it was just 10 years ago.

It shouldn't be the only part of our recruiting strategy....but it should be a decent chunk of it (i'd like to sign 10 IN kids a year).

Like said, you have to recruit IN and get the best players you can. We should never a FB recruit to iu, but if a guy is really good, we'll be fighting ND and the other B10 schools for him.
 
Back in the Jack Mollenkof days we get about a third of our players from Chicagoland. I'm not sure why that has stopped but we once recruited very well there.
 
Back in the Jack Mollenkof days we get about a third of our players from Chicagoland. I'm not sure why that has stopped but we once recruited very well there.

Tiller developed a great pipeline of guys from TX who came to P and ended up in the NFL. (not including Brees)
 
Article from today's Wall St Journal, Purdue mention. These guys think Purdue is leading the "arms race"....

Clinton’s Bailout for the College-Industrial Complex
The flood of cash she proposes will only inflate the bubble, freeing schools from pressure to reform.


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Hillary Clinton’s plan for higher education is simple: a massive bailout wrapped in the promise of free tuition and relief from student loans. It’s a proposal that seems specifically designed to further inflate the higher-education bubble, while relieving the college-industrial complex of any pressure to reform.

This may make for good politics, but it won’t cure what really ails universities: College today costs too much, takes too long and offers dubious value to too many students. For decades, the price of a degree has risen much faster than the rate of inflation. The total cost of a four-year education at some public colleges, including tuition and fees, can surpass $120,000 for out-of-state students. The figure could easily top $200,000 at a private college.

In other words, sending a son or daughter to a private university is akin to buying a BMW every year. If the student finances the bill with loans, it’s more like buying a Lamborghini on credit—and then driving it off a cliff.

Total student-loan debt has hit $1.3 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve, exceeding both the nation’s credit-card debt and its auto loans. Two-thirds of students now borrow to pay for their education, up from 45% in 1993, according to a New York Times analysis of federal data. At the end of 2014 the average student-loan borrower owed $26,700,according to analysts at the New York Fed, while 4% owed $100,000 or more.

Where does all this money go? Campuses vie with one another to add amenities, including Taj-Mahal-like facilities such as Purdue University’s $98 million Cordova Recreational Sports Center, touted as featuring a climbing wall, a vortex pool and a 25-person spa. Meantime, schools are spending more than ever on administration, promotions, athletics and noninstructional student services. The New England Center for Investigative Reporting and the American Institutes for Research found that between 1987 and 2012, colleges added 517,636 administrators and professional employees, creating a ratio at public colleges of two non-academic staffers for every full-time, tenure-track faculty member.

Despite a lagging economy, colleges have indulged a culture of bread and circuses—simply because they can. Forgiving student debt or providing “free” tuition, with no new accountability measures, will only worsen today’s problems for future generations. The multibillion-dollar bailout Mrs. Clinton has proposed would only shift the costs of higher education to taxpayers, many of whom have not had the benefit of college. The Democratic nominee’s plan would also encourage more students to make poor educational choices by creating the illusion that college is free.

The tough reality is that despite the cant about “college for all,” too many young people go to university. Many go to the wrong colleges to study the wrong subjects. Others graduate with costly diplomas but lack the skills necessary to begin a worthwhile career. Some 40%of students fail to get a degree within six years. Far too many pay too much for too little.

Over the past five decades, billions in state and federal subsidies have contributed significantly to the exploding cost of higher education by making it easier for colleges to justify outrageous amenities. “Free” tuition will only further distort the incentives. The flood of cash Mrs. Clinton proposes will give colleges even less reason to restrain spending.

In 1980 the economist Howard Bowen postulated what became known as “Bowen’s Law.” He argued that colleges will always spend all the money they can possibly raise to enhance their prestige. A 2012 study by economists Stephanie Riegg Cellini and Claudia Goldin found that for-profit colleges whose students are eligible for federal aid “charge tuition that is about 78 percent higher than that charged by comparable institutions whose students cannot apply for federal financial aid.” Moreover: “The dollar value of the premium is about equal to the amount of grant aid and loan subsidy received.”

Despite what administrators might argue, there is little evidence that additional spending has enhanced the value of the college degree. In a 2014 academic study of collegiate spending, economists Robert E. Martin and R. Carter Hill noted that research universities had cumulatively spent more than half a trillion dollars from 1987 to 2005. “There should be evidence of higher quality at these investment levels,” they wrote. Instead, “completion rates declined, grade inflation increased, students spend less time studying, adult numeracy/literacy rates declined, and critical thinking skills did not improve.”

Real reform of higher education would mean addressing both rising costs and sinking value. The university of the future should be smaller, leaner and more focused on actually teaching undergraduates. Reform also means supporting alternative-education options—such as two-year and three-year degrees, certification for professions that don’t require a bachelor’s degree, or Massive Open Online Courses. How’s that for a radical proposal?

Mr. Sykes is the author of “Fail U.: The False Promise of Higher Education,” just out from St. Martin’s Press, from which this is adapted.
 
Big 12 is not expanding. All expansion rumors have ground to a halt. Current thinking is that OU and UT are now sitting out their GOR until they can move to another conference circa 2024. Could be B1G, SEC or P12.

Purdue needs to pony up $4-5 million/yr for a good coach. This penny-pinching has cost us a lot more than that in attendance revenue.

Herman isn't coming to Purdue, but agreed about thinking big. If Purdue can interest a big name hire who is a proven winner, then spend a lot to get him. Wonder if Bo Pelini would leave YSU?
 
Herman isn't coming to Purdue, but agreed about thinking big. If Purdue can interest a big name hire who is a proven winner, then spend a lot to get him. Wonder if Bo Pelini would leave YSU?

If you're coaching at Youngstown St. you are no longer a big time hire.

Sorry.
 
A big name coach isn't going to come to Purdue. Let's face the facts...In the last 100 seasons we've only won 8 or more games 16 times (10 wins once)..we've finished the season ranked in the the top 25, 19 times....we've been to 17 bowl games...overall as a program, we've won less than 50% of our games.
Let's face it, we're a Maryland type program...a historical good basketball team and a mediocre football team.
Does anybody think Tom Herman would go to Maryland? If not, why would he, or any top coach, come to Purdue?
Good coaches are egomaniacs and want to go to a place where they have a fighting chance to win and win big....Purdue ain't that place.
I guess we should be happy with 5-6 win seasons and an occasional 7-8 win season.That's just who we've always been and who we'll probably always be.
 
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We need a guy who went into a traditional bottom feeder school and managed to turn things around. Schiano did that at Rutgers. The coach at Temple right now, Matt Rhule, has done that. Fitz has done it at Northwestern. There aren't many of them out there.
 
We need a guy who went into a traditional bottom feeder school and managed to turn things around. Schiano did that at Rutgers. The coach at Temple right now, Matt Rhule, has done that. Fitz has done it at Northwestern. There aren't many of them out there.
Matt Rhule has turned around Temple? Cause of 1 good season? That's like saying Hazell turned around the Kent St football program. 1 good season doesn't mean the program is heading in the right direction. Flukes happen. Rhule's Temple team just lost to Army last week. Army was 2-10 last year.
 
Matt Rhule has turned around Temple? Cause of 1 good season? That's like saying Hazell turned around the Kent St football program. 1 good season doesn't mean the program is heading in the right direction. Flukes happen. Rhule's Temple team just lost to Army last week. Army was 2-10 last year.
You are clueless. You should keep your mouth shut when you have no inkling what you're talking about. In three years at Temple Matt Rhule has gone from 2-10 to 6-6 to 10-4 and they beat Penn State last year. They also beat Cincinnati, who beat Purdue.

9/7 vs. Penn State W 27 10
9/12 @ *Cincinnati (7-6) W 34 26
9/19 @ Massachusetts (3-9) W 25 23
10/2 @ Charlotte (2-10) W 37 3
10/10 vs. *Tulane (3-9) W 49 10
10/17 vs. *Central Florida (0-12) W 30 16
10/22 @ *East Carolina (5-7) W 24 14
10/31 vs. Notre Dame (10-3) L 20 24
11/6 @ *Southern Methodist (2-10) W 60 40
11/14 @ *South Florida (8-5) L 23 44
11/21 vs. *Memphis (9-4) W 31 12
11/28 vs. *Connecticut (6-7) W 27 3
12/5 vs. *Houston (13-1) L 13 24 @ Houston, TX American Conference Championship
12/22 vs. Toledo (10-2) L 17 32 @ Boca Raton, FL Boca Raton Bowl

10-4-0

Vanderbilt (3-9) W 37 7
9/6 vs. Navy (8-5) L 24 31
9/20 vs. Delaware State (non-IA) W 59 0
9/27 @ *Connecticut (2-10) W 36 10
10/11 vs. *Tulsa (2-10) W 35 24
10/17 @ *Houston (8-5) L 10 31
10/25 @ *Central Florida (9-4) L 14 34
11/1 vs. *East Carolina (8-5) W 20 10
11/7 vs. *Memphis (10-3) L 13 16
11/15 @ Penn State (7-6) L 13 30
11/29 vs. *Cincinnati (9-4) L 6 14
12/6 @ *Tulane (3-9) W 10 3

6-6-0

277 210
Notre Dame (9-4) L 6 28
9/7 vs. *Houston (8-5) L 13 22
9/14 vs. Fordham (non-IA) L 29 30
9/28 @ Idaho (1-11) L 24 26
10/5 vs. *Louisville (12-1) L 7 30
10/11 @ *Cincinnati (9-4) L 20 38
10/19 vs. Army (3-9) W 33 14
10/26 @ *Southern Methodist (5-7) L 49 59
11/2 @ *Rutgers (6-7) L 20 23
11/16 vs. *Central Florida (12-1) L 36 39
11/23 vs. *Connecticut (3-9) L 21 28
11/30 @ *Memphis (3-9) W 41 21

2-10-0
 
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You are clueless. You should keep your mouth shut when you have no inkling what you're talking about. In three years at Temple Matt Rhule has gone from 2-10 to 6-6 to 10-4 and they beat Penn State last year. They also beat Cincinnati, who beat Purdue.

9/7 vs. Penn State W 27 10
9/12 @ *Cincinnati (7-6) W 34 26
9/19 @ Massachusetts (3-9) W 25 23
10/2 @ Charlotte (2-10) W 37 3
10/10 vs. *Tulane (3-9) W 49 10
10/17 vs. *Central Florida (0-12) W 30 16
10/22 @ *East Carolina (5-7) W 24 14
10/31 vs. Notre Dame (10-3) L 20 24
11/6 @ *Southern Methodist (2-10) W 60 40
11/14 @ *South Florida (8-5) L 23 44
11/21 vs. *Memphis (9-4) W 31 12
11/28 vs. *Connecticut (6-7) W 27 3
12/5 vs. *Houston (13-1) L 13 24 @ Houston, TX American Conference Championship
12/22 vs. Toledo (10-2) L 17 32 @ Boca Raton, FL Boca Raton Bowl

10-4-0

Vanderbilt (3-9) W 37 7
9/6 vs. Navy (8-5) L 24 31
9/20 vs. Delaware State (non-IA) W 59 0
9/27 @ *Connecticut (2-10) W 36 10
10/11 vs. *Tulsa (2-10) W 35 24
10/17 @ *Houston (8-5) L 10 31
10/25 @ *Central Florida (9-4) L 14 34
11/1 vs. *East Carolina (8-5) W 20 10
11/7 vs. *Memphis (10-3) L 13 16
11/15 @ Penn State (7-6) L 13 30
11/29 vs. *Cincinnati (9-4) L 6 14
12/6 @ *Tulane (3-9) W 10 3

6-6-0

277 210
Notre Dame (9-4) L 6 28
9/7 vs. *Houston (8-5) L 13 22
9/14 vs. Fordham (non-IA) L 29 30
9/28 @ Idaho (1-11) L 24 26
10/5 vs. *Louisville (12-1) L 7 30
10/11 @ *Cincinnati (9-4) L 20 38
10/19 vs. Army (3-9) W 33 14
10/26 @ *Southern Methodist (5-7) L 49 59
11/2 @ *Rutgers (6-7) L 20 23
11/16 vs. *Central Florida (12-1) L 36 39
11/23 vs. *Connecticut (3-9) L 21 28
11/30 @ *Memphis (3-9) W 41 21

2-10-0
Rhule must be family to you. Got pretty defensive of a mediocre coach. He beat a weak 7-6 Penn State team that had 0 quality wins last year (their wins: Buffalo, Rutgers, SDSU, Army, IU, Maryland, Illinois) and a 7-6 Cincinnati team. Those are some wins to hang your hat on.

Oh and you say I have no inkling what I'm talking about? But you say they beat a Cincinnati team that beat us. Guess what little buddy, we didn't play Cincinnati last year. Haven't played them since 2013 (our 1-11 season). And if you wanna compare apples to apples, they lost to that same Cincinnati team that year. But right, I don't have a clue. Got it.

Tell Matt Rhule I don't have anything personal against him when you see him. He's just an average coach til proven otherwise. Hell Hazell has lucked into an 11 win season before. Flukes happen, like I said.
 
Rhule must be family to you. Got pretty defensive of a mediocre coach. He beat a weak 7-6 Penn State team that had 0 quality wins last year (their wins: Buffalo, Rutgers, SDSU, Army, IU, Maryland, Illinois) and a 7-6 Cincinnati team. Those are some wins to hang your hat on.

Oh and you say I have no inkling what I'm talking about? But you say they beat a Cincinnati team that beat us. Guess what little buddy, we didn't play Cincinnati last year. Haven't played them since 2013 (our 1-11 season). And if you wanna compare apples to apples, they lost to that same Cincinnati team that year. But right, I don't have a clue. Got it.

Tell Matt Rhule I don't have anything personal against him when you see him. He's just an average coach til proven otherwise. Hell Hazell has lucked into an 11 win season before. Flukes happen, like I said.
You said "Matt Rhule has turned around Temple? Cause of 1 good season?" Scroll up and read your own words.

Lowly Temple beating mighty instate rival Penn State is a very big deal. And Temple lost to ND by only four. In three years at Temple Rhule has gone from 2-10 to 6-6 to 10-4. Compare that to Hazell's three years at Purdue.
 
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Temple lost a ton of starters from last year that played / started for a long time. Rhule has done a hell of a job at Temple.
 
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