Holtmann Crying about Edey

[Dryfly88]

What a tool. How about you recruit and coach better and maybe you can keep that overpaid salary of yours??? You have a 6'5" guy trying to guard the Player of the year. What do you think is going to happen? Has nothing to do with 3 seconds.

Chris Holtmann Says Three-Second Rule “Needs to Be Evaluated” After Matchup With Zach Edey and Purdue: “It’s Not a Rule That is Enforced”

Chris Holtmann thinks the three-second rule "needs to be evaluated" after Ohio State's matchup with Zach Edey and Purdue: "It’s not a rule that is enforced."

www.elevenwarriors.com

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Holtmann is quoted as saying that Zach "probably gets fouled on occasion and it's not called." That's like saying "It probably snows in Syracuse, New York, on occasion."

People whining about three seconds should be careful what they wish for; I am all for three seconds being enforced as long as most of the fouls committed against Edey are called.

If that were the case, Holtmann would be pleading with Ryan Day to permit guys from the football team dressing in order to have five on the court at all times.

 

[Steve83]

I’m sure Zach could set up for his shot within three seconds if he didn’t have one defender behind him with an arm pushing him and a knee in his leg and a defender in front of him grabbing him arms.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

The video attached to that article shows Edey in the lane for a little over 9 seconds straight in that possession before a shot goes up.

Calls get missed and that was a missed three second call.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

As the rule is written, probably a 3 second violation. However, Edey has 1 foot out a good portion of that time in the paint, which is almost never called. As long as he's not just standing there in 1 spot with 2 feet planted in the lane I doubt he gets called for that.

Calling a 3 seconds violation would probably be similar to calling the violation for not have both feet out of bounds while inbounding after a made basket which is rarely if ever called but happens a lot every game imo.

 

[KenTre1983]

What a tool. How about you recruit and coach better and maybe you can keep that overpaid salary of yours??? You have a 6'5" guy trying to guard the Player of the year. What do you think is going to happen? Has nothing to do with 3 seconds.

Chris Holtmann Says Three-Second Rule “Needs to Be Evaluated” After Matchup With Zach Edey and Purdue: “It’s Not a Rule That is Enforced”

Chris Holtmann thinks the three-second rule "needs to be evaluated" after Ohio State's matchup with Zach Edey and Purdue: "It’s not a rule that is enforced."

www.elevenwarriors.com

Considering his center has been out most of the season, Holtmann didn't have much choice but to throw smaller players at Zach. And, he's not a tool for complaining. He's being a coach. All coaches complain about missed calls after a loss. He wasn't even blaming Purdue. He said Purdue was smart to play based on the way the game is called. That's what both teams are supposed to do. We've seen the "hack-a-Zach" be effective because opposing coaches know, as Holtmann admitted, the refs can't call all of the fouls. And, in some cases, the refs don't call any of the fouls, and Zach gets beaten up pretty badly...and our guards get mugged bringing the ball up...and destroyed crossing the lane...or going to the basket. It's both teams' obligation to adjust and play through it.
It's also silly to suggest he needs to coach better and recruit better...he's done well in both regards.

 

[KenTre1983]

As the rule is written, probably a 3 second violation. However, Edey has 1 foot out a good portion of that time in the paint, which is almost never called. As long as he's not just standing there in 1 spot with 2 feet planted in the lane I doubt he gets called for that.

Calling a 3 seconds violation would probably be similar to calling the violation for not have both feet out of bounds while inbounding after a made basket which is rarely if ever called but happens a lot every game imo.

not probably...as written, it was a three-second violation. But, it's not up to Purdue to police that.

 

[TX4GB]

Izzo and now Holtmann, whiners

 

[Riveting-]

What a tool. How about you recruit and coach better and maybe you can keep that overpaid salary of yours??? You have a 6'5" guy trying to guard the Player of the year. What do you think is going to happen? Has nothing to do with 3 seconds.

Chris Holtmann Says Three-Second Rule “Needs to Be Evaluated” After Matchup With Zach Edey and Purdue: “It’s Not a Rule That is Enforced”

Chris Holtmann thinks the three-second rule "needs to be evaluated" after Ohio State's matchup with Zach Edey and Purdue: "It’s not a rule that is enforced."

www.elevenwarriors.com

Really slimy on his part to make this comment now, as if trying to undermine a fellow BTN school in the tournament.

He must be feeling some heat for his rotten season.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

As the rule is written, probably a 3 second violation. However, Edey has 1 foot out a good portion of that time in the paint, which is almost never called. As long as he's not just standing there in 1 spot with 2 feet planted in the lane I doubt he gets called for that.

Calling a 3 seconds violation would probably be similar to calling the violation for not have both feet out of bounds while inbounding after a made basket which is rarely if ever called but happens a lot every game imo.

All he has to do is lift his in bounds foot slightly and the clock should reset according to a strict reading of the NCAA rule.

 

[meenie]

Tjd travels every time tries to dribble. He has to shuffle his feet before his brain tells him to dribble. No ref ever calls it.

 

[Erock_94]

What a tool

 

[boilernuke]

Tjd travels every time tries to dribble. He has to shuffle his feet before his brain tells him to dribble. No ref ever calls it.

I was just going to say that they can call 3 seconds the same tome the call every travel and carry for everyone else handling the ball. Those get violated frequently with rare calls.

 

[boilermaker75]

As the rule is written, probably a 3 second violation. However, Edey has 1 foot out a good portion of that time in the paint, which is almost never called. As long as he's not just standing there in 1 spot with 2 feet planted in the lane I doubt he gets called for that.

Calling a 3 seconds violation would probably be similar to calling the violation for not have both feet out of bounds while inbounding after a made basket which is rarely if ever called but happens a lot every game imo.

Just like double plays in MLB, 2nd base is never touched.

 

[boilernuke]

I was just going to say that they can call 3 seconds the same tome the call every travel and carry for everyone else handling the ball. Those get violated frequently with rare calls.

Also, later in the game when osu had guards on Zach, they were pushing him with two outstretched arms while he was posting and were never called. Those are easy fouls to call but the officials swallowed the whistles because of how big Zach is.

 

[Boiler Buck]

My only question in this whole thread....

Does Holtman wear make up?
Always looks like he has eyeliner on.

 

[PaBoiler78]

My only question in this whole thread....

Does Holtman wear make up?
Always looks like he has eyeliner on.

speaking of 3 sec in the lane, how about in the 1st half where Pinkett was in the lane for 5 or 6 sec backing down Brandon for a little turn around that he missed.

 

[PaBoiler78]

What a tool. How about you recruit and coach better and maybe you can keep that overpaid salary of yours??? You have a 6'5" guy trying to guard the Player of the year. What do you think is going to happen? Has nothing to do with 3 seconds.

Chris Holtmann Says Three-Second Rule “Needs to Be Evaluated” After Matchup With Zach Edey and Purdue: “It’s Not a Rule That is Enforced”

Chris Holtmann thinks the three-second rule "needs to be evaluated" after Ohio State's matchup with Zach Edey and Purdue: "It’s not a rule that is enforced."

www.elevenwarriors.com

hope Zack comes back just so these coaches could cry more next year.

 

[jdbrees922]

I thought if you took one foot out of lane then the 3 sec starts over

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

My only question in this whole thread....

Does Holtman wear make up?
Always looks like he has eyeliner on.

Haha. I literally came back to this thread to ask this same question.

 

[Schnelk]

speaking of 3 sec in the lane, how about in the 1st half where Pinkett was in the lane for 5 or 6 sec backing down Brandon for a little turn around that he missed.

3 sec doesn't apply if you have the ball. I think.

 

[SKYDOG]

What a tool. How about you recruit and coach better and maybe you can keep that overpaid salary of yours??? You have a 6'5" guy trying to guard the Player of the year. What do you think is going to happen? Has nothing to do with 3 seconds.

Chris Holtmann Says Three-Second Rule “Needs to Be Evaluated” After Matchup With Zach Edey and Purdue: “It’s Not a Rule That is Enforced”

Chris Holtmann thinks the three-second rule "needs to be evaluated" after Ohio State's matchup with Zach Edey and Purdue: "It’s not a rule that is enforced."

www.elevenwarriors.com

Other rules not enforced are palming, double dribble, traveling, and fouling. So what’s his point? 😂

 

[Dryfly88]

Considering his center has been out most of the season, Holtmann didn't have much choice but to throw smaller players at Zach. And, he's not a tool for complaining. He's being a coach. All coaches complain about missed calls after a loss. He wasn't even blaming Purdue. He said Purdue was smart to play based on the way the game is called. That's what both teams are supposed to do. We've seen the "hack-a-Zach" be effective because opposing coaches know, as Holtmann admitted, the refs can't call all of the fouls. And, in some cases, the refs don't call any of the fouls, and Zach gets beaten up pretty badly...and our guards get mugged bringing the ball up...and destroyed crossing the lane...or going to the basket. It's both teams' obligation to adjust and play through it.
It's also silly to suggest he needs to coach better and recruit better...he's done well in both regards.

Read the article. It was more than just complaining, he was setting it up so it would draw attention before the tournament. You know, the tournament that his team played so poorly they aren't in. Also his "brush-off" at how often Edey is fouled and not called. "he probably gets fouled on occasion and it's not called". Really, coach? Your little defenders were fouling him every possession.

This was a hatchet job by a coach that couldn't make the tournament and has a hot seat from boosters. Timing of this was suspect at best. Yes, coaches complain. But they don't go on a radio show and throw out crap like this about an individual player. Can you imagine the outcry if CMP went on a radio show and said TJD travels every time he drives or spins to the basket?

 

[Tommaker]

The video attached to that article shows Edey in the lane for a little over 9 seconds straight in that possession before a shot goes up.

Calls get missed and that was a missed three second call.

I've got a buddy who refs high school football. He tells me "If I wanted to, I could throw a flag on every play." Travelling, carrying, double dribble and any of the other time violations depend on an official being right there and seeing it happen, plus having an awareness of the clock, all while trying to keep track of 10 players on the floor (and multiple coaches on the sideline). I think most refs look at 1. Egregious or 2. multiple counts before they make some of their calls.

Here's how the rule reads (as Googled, and as we all know, there's NOTHING smarter or more correct than Google, TIC) The three-second rule in basketball is one of the most debated basketball rules in basketball. The rule states that once a player has established a position in the restricted area, they are not allowed to remain there for more than three consecutive seconds unless they are preparing to shoot or pass.

So that last part leaves a lot open to individual interpretation; Zach is the definition of a player who is looking for the pass to always come to or come from him. Having said that, I actually tried to pay attention during the PSU game to how long Zach was in the paint. he's a smart player; if "in position" means both feet firmly in the paint, he gets around by stepping out and moving side to side, to the point of just putting one of those size 20's 5 inches out of the paint. I saw at least one instance during the game where was nothing but black under his sneakers for at least 5 seconds. I also heard one of the announcers say "That's 3 seconds. That's 3 seconds, isn't it?" So that would be two known violations in 2 halves. Again, it's easy for me sitting at home to see it, and for the announcer for the same reasons, but the ref(s) has a lot more going on.

The purist in me thinks about the sport(s) that were created to support, promote and mold young men and women into better adults and good citizens; part of that is playing by and following the rules and teaching these young people they NEED to follow them. I also realize that if that actually took place, calling a foul/penalty every play would quickly kill the sports. What coach used to say "If you're not getting called for penalties, you're not trying hard enough"? Kind of a sad way to play the game.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

I've got a buddy who refs high school football. He tells me "If I wanted to, I could throw a flag on every play." Travelling, carrying, double dribble and any of the other time violations depend on an official being right there and seeing it happen, plus having an awareness of the clock, all while trying to keep track of 10 players on the floor (and multiple coaches on the sideline). I think most refs look at 1. Egregious or 2. multiple counts before they make some of their calls.

Here's how the rule reads (as Googled, and as we all know, there's NOTHING smarter or more correct than Google, TIC) The three-second rule in basketball is one of the most debated basketball rules in basketball. The rule states that once a player has established a position in the restricted area, they are not allowed to remain there for more than three consecutive seconds unless they are preparing to shoot or pass.

So that last part leaves a lot open to individual interpretation; Zach is the definition of a player who is looking for the pass to always come to or come from him. Having said that, I actually tried to pay attention during the PSU game to how long Zach was in the paint. he's a smart player; if "in position" means both feet firmly in the paint, he gets around by stepping out and moving side to side, to the point of just putting one of those size 20's 5 inches out of the paint. I saw at least one instance during the game where was nothing but black under his sneakers for at least 5 seconds. I also heard one of the announcers say "That's 3 seconds. That's 3 seconds, isn't it?" So that would be two known violations in 2 halves. Again, it's easy for me sitting at home to see it, and for the announcer for the same reasons, but the ref(s) has a lot more going on.

The purist in me thinks about the sport(s) that were created to support, promote and mold young men and women into better adults and good citizens; part of that is playing by and following the rules and teaching these young people they NEED to follow them. I also realize that if that actually took place, calling a foul/penalty every play would quickly kill the sports. What coach used to say "If you're not getting called for penalties, you're not trying hard enough"? Kind of a sad way to play the game.

That video clip is just a missed call. In the lane for seven seconds before he passes out and nine+ seconds before someone else shoots. But that's all it is -- a missed call. It happens.

I've refereed too -- I like your post. IMO what good referees do in an effort to keep game flow going and not "throw a flag on every play" is to warn players that they will get whistled if they don't start leaving the lane. Cannot do that with a travel, but it's common with 3 seconds, post-whistle trash talking/taunting, or off-ball shoving. Not sure if that happens with Edey and three seconds.

 

[Gemini95]

It's also silly to suggest he needs to coach better and recruit better...he's done well in both regards.

Not in the tournament and has a not-insignificant portion of the fan base wishing for him to be gone. He's totally crushing it.

 

[DrEss]

Just like double plays in MLB, 2nd base is never touched.

Before replay

 

[DrEss]

Yes, he picked a not cool time to make these comments about a fellow Big Ten team. Kind of a d!ck move.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

It's not my fault we lost. It's the 3 second rule.

 

[BoilerYergs]

When the refs actually start enforcing traveling; they should actually start enforcing 3 seconds. They let every point and wing shuffle pivot feet, move both feet on initiating drives, 3 to 4 four steps to finish fast breaks. Don't even mention the BS Euro Step.

These are two basic and fundamental rules of the game but you can't be stringent about calling one and not the other.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

When the refs actually start enforcing traveling; they should actually start enforcing 3 seconds. They let every point and wing shuffle pivot feet, move both feet on initiating drives, 3 to 4 four steps to finish fast breaks. Don't even mention the BS Euro Step.

These are two basic and fundamental rules of the game but you can't be stringent about calling one and not the other.

An Ohio State coach in any sport whining about something being unfair is hilarious.

 

[boilermaker75]

Before replay

As a kid I watched MLB games every day. It has been decades since I have watched. So I didn't know they started to enforce that with replay. I'll have to watch a game this year to see how different it is now. It used to be you could sometimes see a couple of feet between the foot and the bag.

 

[DrEss]

As a kid I watched MLB games every day. It has been decades since I have watched. So I didn't know they started to enforce that with replay. I'll have to watch a game this year to see how different it is now. It used to be you could sometimes see a couple of feet between the foot and the bag.

And there is no longer “a tie goes to the runner”. Replay has it’s pluses, but to this old schooler, more minuses, imo.

 

[Boiler8285]

3 sec doesn't apply if you have the ball. I think.

And are making a move to the basket. Once he catches in the lane and begins a basketball move there is no count. Both feet out for a split second and 3second count starts over. I am not going to suggest he never gets 3seconds but his feet are pretty active. I have watched often out of curiosity. There are times he gets pushed off balance and it appears refs let 3 go rather that call the foul for holding or pushing.

 

[PaBoiler78]

And are making a move to the basket. Once he catches in the lane and begins a basketball move there is no count. Both feet out for a split second and 3second count starts over. I am not going to suggest he never gets 3seconds but his feet are pretty active. I have watched often out of curiosity. There are times he gets pushed off balance and it appears refs let 3 go rather that call the foul for holding or pushing.

Schnelk's reply was to my ? about Pinkett's one play where he backed Newman down the lane and was in there for 5 secs before a fadeaway shot

 

[Gman544]

Call the three seconds two or three a game and the 40 times he is fouled ( and ok another one or two on him after he is hammered), Result he would camp in the lane less time because he would not need to in order to get thru pushes, shoves, grabs , under cuts etc and score more as players stop hammering him. He would average 35 and 17.

 

[KenTre1983]

I've got a buddy who refs high school football. He tells me "If I wanted to, I could throw a flag on every play." Travelling, carrying, double dribble and any of the other time violations depend on an official being right there and seeing it happen, plus having an awareness of the clock, all while trying to keep track of 10 players on the floor (and multiple coaches on the sideline). I think most refs look at 1. Egregious or 2. multiple counts before they make some of their calls.

Here's how the rule reads (as Googled, and as we all know, there's NOTHING smarter or more correct than Google, TIC) The three-second rule in basketball is one of the most debated basketball rules in basketball. The rule states that once a player has established a position in the restricted area, they are not allowed to remain there for more than three consecutive seconds unless they are preparing to shoot or pass.

So that last part leaves a lot open to individual interpretation; Zach is the definition of a player who is looking for the pass to always come to or come from him. Having said that, I actually tried to pay attention during the PSU game to how long Zach was in the paint. he's a smart player; if "in position" means both feet firmly in the paint, he gets around by stepping out and moving side to side, to the point of just putting one of those size 20's 5 inches out of the paint. I saw at least one instance during the game where was nothing but black under his sneakers for at least 5 seconds. I also heard one of the announcers say "That's 3 seconds. That's 3 seconds, isn't it?" So that would be two known violations in 2 halves. Again, it's easy for me sitting at home to see it, and for the announcer for the same reasons, but the ref(s) has a lot more going on.

The purist in me thinks about the sport(s) that were created to support, promote and mold young men and women into better adults and good citizens; part of that is playing by and following the rules and teaching these young people they NEED to follow them. I also realize that if that actually took place, calling a foul/penalty every play would quickly kill the sports. What coach used to say "If you're not getting called for penalties, you're not trying hard enough"? Kind of a sad way to play the game.

That's not what "preparing to shoot or pass" means. It means he has the ball and is in the process of passing or shooting. If a player is in the process of the shooting or passing, the count gets suspended. But, if he holds on to the ball...a fake pass or a shot fake...the count resumes from where it left off. And, you have to have both feet out of the lane. You can't play hokey-pokey and circumvent the rule. That said, Zach should stay in the lane as long as he gets away with it (without being to obvious). The players don't make calls. That's what the refs get paid to do. So, play the game the way the refs are calling it.

 

[Schnelk]

Both feet out of the lane? No way that happens for a reset. For anybody.

 

[Tommaker]

That's not what "preparing to shoot or pass" means. It means he has the ball and is in the process of passing or shooting. If a player is in the process of the shooting or passing, the count gets suspended. But, if he holds on to the ball...a fake pass or a shot fake...the count resumes from where it left off. And, you have to have both feet out of the lane. You can't play hokey-pokey and circumvent the rule. That said, Zach should stay in the lane as long as he gets away with it (without being to obvious). The players don't make calls. That's what the refs get paid to do. So, play the game the way the refs are calling it.

I wasn't sure of the rule. So BOTH feet have to come all the way out of the paint for the count to stop/restart?

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

So does Holtman wear eyeliner or not?