You guys think guards are starting to see that Purdue is a place where they can shine? Seems to me this year has proved that. This team is special.
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With the way that Smith is shooting and passing, he totally puts defenses in a bind. I can’t believe that there’s a tougher pick and roll combination to defend in the country right now than Smith and Edey.
Purdue has 4 really good guards in next year’s Freshmen class. Two Shooting guards; a defensive minded Combo; and a solid Point guard who was the best player on a team with 4 other D1s.
Who is this fourth guard recruit? Benter, Harris, Cox..................... ????????????
Cox and Harris can maybe play both. Benter is a 2 (or 3) and ???????????????
I think that Painter sees Cox as a point guard and Harris as a combo.
Especially with a much improved mid pic-n-pop. I almost feel it's going in every time he gets that.
I'm not a huge ESPN guy but look at the headlines and you'll see they are getting recognition.
I think CJ will play like Lance. CMP has very fluid sets and at times Lance plays PG.
Cox highlights shows a lot more shooting. i just watched 2 2-3 minute highlight films and saw the kid make hundreds of baskets and not a single pass shown that i saw. Looked like a Boogie type with lots of shake and bake and ability to get his own shot. I HOPE he shows some pg skills
While technically not a guard, it has been reported that Catchings is so versatile and talented he can play the 1-4. Though likely is a 3/4 with his size @ Purdue.
I get that, but I saw one game of his and I was very impressed of how aware and in control he appeared. Point guard (on all levels) is more of a scoring position than it used to be and in Cox I see a player with the ability to initiate the offense.Cox highlights shows a lot more shooting. i just watched 2 2-3 minute highlight films and saw the kid make hundreds of baskets and not a single pass shown that i saw. Looked like a Boogie type with lots of shake and bake and ability to get his own shot. I HOPE he shows some pg skills
I would think anyone watching Ivey play here or Braden, they would think this is a place you can show your wares.
Yeah, agree, I don't get how anyone who has seen Carsen, Jaden and now Braden play in this offense can buy into the nonsense of 'Purdue guards just feed the post'.
MP is going to feature his most talented player so it's true that not everyone is going to get a green light but if you have the skill set he will make sure you're featured.
Lance Jones is showing how you can come into the Purdue program as a guard and contribute to the success of the program. If a HS senior guard is out there and doesn't see how Purdue is a platform for their position, then I wish them well elsewhere as I don't want them here.
Catchings will be an interesting addition. I see him playing the 3. And if Catchings lives up to the hype and starts at the three, Myles will go to the 2 and heide will go to ? If Myles goes to the 2, where will Harris go?
We could see a huge shift of players playing different positions. It could be awesome! Or it could be very bad if players can’t adjust to playing different positions. Some players are a lot better as starters than as coming off the bench
We could see a huge shift of players playing different positions. It could be awesome! Or it could be very bad if players can’t adjust to playing different positions. Some players are a lot better as starters than as coming off the bench
I’d start with the fact that so long as Braden and Fletch are healthy they’ll be starting. Harris likely takes Braden’s backup minutes and plays a bit of two when a second primary ball handler is needed (unless Cox beats him out).
From there I agree with you that there’s a lot up in the air. I personally think that Catchings plays the 4 and backs up Trey and Heide and Colvin play the 3 but it should be pretty wide open.
I don’t think Catchings will back up anybody. The only question I have is where he starts and how the other pieces of the puzzle play out. We saw both Braden and Loyer start from day 1. I believe catchings will follow that trend. I could see catchings starting at the 3 or 4. If he starts at the 4, Myles and Harris and Heidi could battle it out to play the 3 and tkr starts at center although that’s not exactly the position he wanted to play at Purdue. If Catchings starts at the 3, tkr can start at the 4. Berg Furst and others can battle it out at center. And we’ll have Heidi, Myles and Harris as backups,
As I said, it will be very interesting how it all plays out. But I believe catchings will start somewhere from day 1.
As I said, it will be very interesting how it all plays out. But I believe catchings will start somewhere from day 1.
Agree with all that, except Harris maybe starts at 3? He has potential to play 1-3. He will get alot of minutes, starter or not.
In any case, potential for Purdue' fastest pace team?
Not sure about Benter or Cox as I simply don't know anything about them yet.
I’d say Colvin and Heide have a bit of a head start on Harris and would start over him at the 3…I’d think Harris would be the backup for Braden.
I too believe that Catchings starts from day 1 or at minimum by early Dec. Harris is definitely going to be in the rotation. More thought that Jack could possibly redshirt and possibly Jacobsen or Burgess depending on what transfer or transfers that we have (remember that we are oversigned by 1) Likely one of those bigs does redshirt. Jacobsen, I believe has more upside but is also a year younger and Burgess appears to have the build to play now.
You could be right. It seems like a big ask for Harris to come in and beat out Cam and Myles at the 3 but I didn't think that Loyer would beat out Newman as a freshman either.
Yes, you're always convinced that the new recruit is going to start and you could be right with Catchings. I just don't see it at the 4 given the combined starting experience of Trey and Caleb, but stranger things have happened. The 3 should be pretty open, I'm just not sure that he's best suited to play there at this point.
I hope you're right and he does start as it means that he's a truly elite talent.
At this point, Trey appears locked into the starting 5 role next year. Furst is a different story. He's been the one guy on the roster that has even been a mild disappointment this year. He really doesn't seem like a much different player than he was as a freshman two years ago.
His O-rating has gone from 126 to 122 to 99 each year. Not great Bob!
I love his attitude and he seems like a great teammate. But he will need to make a jump to hold off other guys IMO. Shoot, I could see Waddell or Heide in a small ball 4 role and taking minutes away from Furst if Catchings doesn't.
True, as the current 3s with a year of experience will be tough to unseat. Cam seems to understand the system better with opportunities. Myles? - good with ball. Stands without it. Seems to be lost in D quite a bit. Both have a real nice shot and are great athletes. So yes, it will be tough.
But Harris is the star on a team full of college bound guys. He has the genes. Seems to have a rep for playing hard on both sides of the ball. But I have been wrong before, likely will be again. LOL
Good discussion in downtime between games anyway.
Generally agree. Most likely, IMO, is that Trey starts at the 4 (agree that he's a lock for starting at the 4 or 5) and Furst starts at the 5. Certainly possible that either Will supplants Caleb at the 5 or Catchings is so good at the 4 that Trey gets pushed to the 5.
I don't know what to expect from Caleb next year. On one hand I think he's doing what the coaches are asking him to in playing hard, rebounding, playing defense, etc. and the fact that he doesn't prioritize scoring works well with this team. On the other, his shooting was down last year and is worse this year. I have no idea if that changes if he's asked to take a more active role in scoring.
I think Catchings will play at the 3 more than 4. I think Heide gets time at the 4. Harris I believe is probably capable of playing 1-3 and might play a role similar to Jones. He could spell Loyer as well. Colvin again minutes at 2-3. TKR and Furst at 4-5, & Berg time at 5. The rest of the Freshmen I could see as role players off the bench or possibly as many as 2 ( maybe 3) red shirts???
Caleb has terrible hands. Just watch how many times the ball gets easily knocked away from him. I'm not a Caleb hater at all. He just has bad hands and it costs him on many possessions. If he is our starting 5 next year, that needs to change. But having good or bad hands is not something that normally changes a great deal.
I don't remember seeing that from him as a freshman but that's just my observation and is not based on any real data. To me he doesn't look comfortable out there on offense in general in a way that I don't remember seeing him struggle in the past. Agree with your point that we'll need more / better from him next year.
He just seems to have lost his confidence. No longer a starter, minimal minutes and quick hooks can do that. Hopefully he can regain his confidence at the very latest this summer for next season. I hope it is at Purdue.
The ol Brandon Newman treatment from Painter 😂…but yeah hope Furst can regain his confidence or whatever he has lost since his Frosh year. We saw a glimpse of what he can do on the put back dunk vs Arizona, but 6 min of action last night was a bit odd for him. Maybe there’s something more to it?
Some athletes need to be hyper-busy to remain focused and play within their game. I was expecting more sloppiness from some individuals.
My nephew who played Lacross at Purdue needed to be hyper- busy (school/sports/socisl) to play well.
Caleb may indeed be like this. He’s been great as a role player at key times earlier in the season.
Did you see something last night to suggest he should have had more than 6 minutes?
No, but sometimes you can’t have such a short leash with players. It didn’t start last night, but has slowly been occurring this year. Don’t get me wrong, he isn’t playing as free and as well as he did Frosh and last year.
It seems something’s holding him back, whether it be he’s thinking too much, not wanting to make a mistake in fear of being pulled instantly which in turn, makes a player make more mistakes.
Not trying to make excuses/say he should have more mins cuz he def is not producing. I wish he’d be back to Frosh year Furst because that’d make us even better.
I thought I read he is Pre-Med? Maybe that’s incorrect but I’d say thatd make him hyper-busy 😂
You are right. Forgot about that. There’s no homework over Xmas break and they sleep a lot more (as does my junior daughter). Ha.
One can improve that and general dexterity, but it takes a lot of concentrated effort and practice to do it. I would guess they are doing some of that in drills now as part of the program.
Some players can come off the bench and be instant contributors. I’ve seen players who came off the bench and drained three 3 pointers in 3 Quick shots. Other players seem to take awhile to get in the groove and need that 15 minutes of action before their motor gets revved up first seems to be a player who needs a bunch of minutes/action before he truly gets into a game. Unfortunately we don’t have those 20-30 minutes to give him and wait for him to get going.
Tractor Traylor was the opposite. He would be great for those first 5-10 minutes , then he would kind of just stand there and disappear for the next 10-15 minutes. His flaws and lack of energy and hustle were exposed in the NBA. Tractor Traylor also provided a good example of trying to switch a player to a different position. He was a 6’8 center at Michigan. And he was ok although Brad Miller still owned him. They tried switching him to the 4 in the NBA and he was terrible. Maybe Furst is best when playing one position. Maybe his best position is center or maybe it’s the 4. Or maybe he gets confused trying to switch back and forth. Maybe he needs to concentrate on the role of just one position. Some players can adjust and play multiple positions equally well. Some can’t.
We need him to refind his mojo this year.
Tractor Traylor was the opposite. He would be great for those first 5-10 minutes , then he would kind of just stand there and disappear for the next 10-15 minutes. His flaws and lack of energy and hustle were exposed in the NBA. Tractor Traylor also provided a good example of trying to switch a player to a different position. He was a 6’8 center at Michigan. And he was ok although Brad Miller still owned him. They tried switching him to the 4 in the NBA and he was terrible. Maybe Furst is best when playing one position. Maybe his best position is center or maybe it’s the 4. Or maybe he gets confused trying to switch back and forth. Maybe he needs to concentrate on the role of just one position. Some players can adjust and play multiple positions equally well. Some can’t.
We need him to refind his mojo this year.
I am not convinced that Painter’s leash is shorter than that of his peers. He’s still got a 10 man rotation, after all. I see quite a bit of patience with him, particularly when players are doing what they are supposed to do, but struggling with production.
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