Here's what's wrong with society

[bonefish1]

An American Marine hero steps in to stop a threat on the subway and now he's being put in front of a grand jury for murder/manslaughter.
The lefties/libs and dems are celebrating this. I wonder why?
The guy Mr Penny stopped had been arrested 44 times.....
I'll be making a contribution to Mr. Penny's legal defense fund today.

Daniel Penny fundraiser gets millions of dollars after subway chokehold death

His lawyers launched it last week, explaining most proceeds will cover legal fees and any extra money will be donated to a mental health advocacy program in New York City.

www.fox5ny.com

 

[BuilderBob6]

An American Marine hero steps in to stop a threat on the subway and now he's being put in front of a grand jury for murder/manslaughter.
The lefties/libs and dems are celebrating this. I wonder why?
The guy Mr Penny stopped had been arrested 44 times.....
I'll be making a contribution to Mr. Penny's legal defense fund today.

Daniel Penny fundraiser gets millions of dollars after subway chokehold death

His lawyers launched it last week, explaining most proceeds will cover legal fees and any extra money will be donated to a mental health advocacy program in New York City.

www.fox5ny.com

Did Mr. Penny know about the criminal record when he held the choke hold long enough to kill him?

You’re celebrating a man’s death because he was a criminal. No surprise. No judge no jury.

Are you saying the death was warranted? Of Penny knew he was killing Neely that’s ok? If he didn’t that’s ok too?

There’s actual nuance here, not that you gaf.

 

[bonefish1]

Did Mr. Penny know about the criminal record when he held the choke hold long enough to kill him?

You’re celebrating a man’s death because he was a criminal. No surprise. No judge no jury.

Are you saying the death was warranted? Of Penny knew he was killing Neely that’s ok? If he didn’t that’s ok too?

There’s actual nuance here, not that you gaf.

I highly doubt Penny knew about his criminal record. What he saw was a threat and neutralized it, just as he was trained to do.
I highly doubt killing Neely was the intention. I think it was to neutralize the threat and provide a safe environment for those under threat.
Was the death warranted? I'm not sure. Neely had 44 previous arrests, including many for violent acts. What's that tell you? Was Neely a threat to society? Had his previous arrests, punishment, incarceration caused him to change his ways?

 

[bonefish1]

I'm sure you saw all the protesters in NYC causing havoc on the subways, etc. How come these people come out to protest the death of a career criminal but not when a cop or child get killed?

 

[TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong]

I highly doubt Penny knew about his criminal record. What he saw was a threat and neutralized it, just as he was trained to do.
I highly doubt killing Neely was the intention. I think it was to neutralize the threat and provide a safe environment for those under threat.
Was the death warranted? I'm not sure. Neely had 44 previous arrests, including many for violent acts. What's that tell you? Was Neely a threat to society? Had his previous arrests, punishment, incarceration caused him to change his ways?

Murdering someone who's been to jail is still murdering them. Hope this helps!

 

[bonefish1]

Murdering someone who's been to jail is still murdering them. Hope this helps!

He didn't murder him. He put him in a choke hold to prevent him from harming other passengers.

But, the guy had only been arrested 44 times before.....what's 1 more gonna hurt?

 

[GeorgeDubya]

I'm sure you saw all the protesters in NYC causing havoc on the subways, etc. How come these people come out to protest the death of a career criminal but not when a cop or child get killed?

The best part about the video of the protestors in NYC was the crazy white liberals screaming at that black guy about racism. They’re all so nuts. White liberals are the most mentally ill group of people in this country.

 

[DualGrad]

Murdering someone who's been to jail is still murdering them. Hope this helps!

No one has been convicted of murder.

Perhaps he had a heart attack? Perhaps drugs had something to do with it?
Perhaps he was let go of, & then died later after that?

Who knows, but best in ALL cases to wait for the courts to decide.

 

[bonefish1]

The best part about the video of the protestors in NYC was the crazy white liberals screaming at that black guy about racism. They’re all so nuts. White liberals are the most mentally ill group of people in this country.

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Bob is going to be upset with you defaming white liberals.

 

[BNIBoiler]

An American Marine hero steps in to stop a threat on the subway and now he's being put in front of a grand jury for murder/manslaughter.
The lefties/libs and dems are celebrating this. I wonder why?
The guy Mr Penny stopped had been arrested 44 times.....
I'll be making a contribution to Mr. Penny's legal defense fund today.

Daniel Penny fundraiser gets millions of dollars after subway chokehold death

His lawyers launched it last week, explaining most proceeds will cover legal fees and any extra money will be donated to a mental health advocacy program in New York City.

www.fox5ny.com

You have to choose your heroes more wisely. Perhaps Perry did not set out that morning wanting to kill someone. However, he was on the train where Neely was having a mental episode. You can argue whether or not Neely was threatening Perry or other folks. I haven't heard that Neely was indeed threatening people. He was yelling and screaming that he wasn't afraid to die and other stuff. From what I've seen of the story so far, I don't see where Perry or others felt that their lives were in danger. There are crazy folks riding trains in these cities all the time, yelling and screaming and no one felt the need to restrain, let alone choke someone to death. Perry, being a former marine knew exactly what type of restrain he was doing and the potential outcome of such restraint. Marines are taught 2 types of choke holds and both apply pressure to the carotid. They are also trained depending on how long to apply these chokeholds the victim will either just pass out if held for a minute. Or lead to death if held for several minutes at a time, in this case, up to 15 minutes. Over 9 minutes in George Floyd's case. Therefore, since this marine, was trained in such techniques and most likely knew the outcome of such a long chokehold, the charges seem correct to me, 2nd-degree manslaughter. I believe Perry thought he was being the hero and killed this man. A man that he should have left alone. So, continue to demonize the victim as y'all do in these cases. As a former marine, perhaps Perry needs his mental aptitude evaluated in this case.

 

[DualGrad]

You have to choose your heroes more wisely. Perhaps Perry did not set out that morning wanting to kill someone. However, he was on the train where Neely was having a mental episode. You can argue whether or not Neely was threatening Perry or other folks. I haven't heard that Neely was indeed threatening people. He was yelling and screaming that he wasn't afraid to die and other stuff. From what I've seen of the story so far, I don't see where Perry or others felt that their lives were in danger. There are crazy folks riding trains in these cities all the time, yelling and screaming and no one felt the need to restrain, let alone choke someone to death. Perry, being a former marine knew exactly what type of restrain he was doing and the potential outcome of such restraint. Marines are taught 2 types of choke holds and both apply pressure to the carotid. They are also trained depending on how long to apply these chokeholds the victim will either just pass out if held for a minute. Or lead to death if held for several minutes at a time, in this case, up to 15 minutes. Over 9 minutes in George Floyd's case. Therefore, since this marine, was trained in such techniques and most likely knew the outcome of such a long chokehold, the charges seem correct to me, 2nd-degree manslaughter. I believe Perry thought he was being the hero and killed this man. A man that he should have left alone. So, continue to demonize the victim as y'all do in these cases. As a former marine, perhaps Perry needs his mental aptitude evaluated in this case.

Sounds like you have the case wrapped up. Didn't even need to hear from Perry's defense or hear from doctors about what was in his system.

Well done.

Who needs the justice of the court with people like you and the other rioters around?

Maybe cool your jets & wait for the courts to decide before interjecting your pre-judhing??

 

[BNIBoiler]

Sounds like you have the case wrapped up. Didn't even need to hear from Perry's defense or hear from doctors about what was in his system.

Well done.

Who needs the justice of the court with people like you and the other rioters around?

Maybe cool your jets & wait for the courts to decide before interjecting your pre-judhing??

Here we go again. Debating what is in his system. Where have we heard this before?

So, the Boneman starts this thread titled, "What's wrong with society". Then touts Perry as a hero. But yet you call me out for my opinions on this case. Then you add in your own crazy scenarios to try and prove your point. "Perhaps he had a heart attack? Perhaps drugs had something to do with it? Perhaps he was let go of, & then died later after that?"

 

[DualGrad]

Here we go again. Debating what is in his system. Where have we heard this before?

So, the Boneman starts this thread titled, "What's wrong with society". Then touts Perry as a hero. But yet you call me out for my opinions on this case. Then you add in your own crazy scenarios to try and prove your point. "Perhaps he had a heart attack? Perhaps drugs had something to do with it? Perhaps he was let go of, & then died later after that?"

Trying to shame you for not waiting for the courts. Apparently, you did not get that?

Alot of times when people prejudge things based on only the info they want to hear, they might be wrong? Wrong or right, it is shameful how you seem to have made up your mind already. You are no different than the wacked out rioters.

 

[GeorgeDubya]

Trying to shame you for not waiting for the courts. Apparently, you did not get that?

Alot of times when people prejudge things based on only the info they want to hear, they might be wrong? Wrong or right, it is shameful how you seem to have made up your mind already. You are no different than the wacked out rioters.

The Democrat media has set the narrative and he’s mindlessly repeating it. He can’t help it and don’t bother trying to shame him since he has none. He’s a divisive liar chained to the party.

 

[BNIBoiler]

Trying to shame you for not waiting for the courts. Apparently, you did not get that?

Alot of times when people prejudge things based on only the info they want to hear, they might be wrong? Wrong or right, it is shameful how you seem to have made up your mind already. You are no different than the wacked out rioters.

You never shamed, or at least not to extent you trying to shame me. the Boneman for bringing this up, expressing his premature opinions in the first place.

 

[DualGrad]

You never shamed, or at least not to extent you trying to shame me. the Boneman for bringing this up, expressing his premature opinions in the first place.

I guess some have no shame or good sense to wait for the courts before they mindlessly blather on to what they heard on their latest volume of indoctrination via radio & TV. Good to see you are in lock step with your leftist slave media masters though!

 

[BNIBoiler]

I guess some have no shame or good sense to wait for the courts before they mindlessly blather on to what they heard on their latest volume of indoctrination via radio & TV. Good to see you are in lock step with your leftist slave media masters though!

So is the Boneman in lock step with the rightist slave masters? Again, you say nothing about him. He’s the one that started this thread with his conclusions in the first place. Now I see your agenda. You just pick on me since I fit your narrative and disdain for the so called leftists.

 

[GeorgeDubya]

You never shamed, or at least not to extent you trying to shame me. the Boneman for bringing this up, expressing his premature opinions in the first place.

Premature opinions? We know the homeless loser was a serial criminal whose family wouldn’t even bring him in. The other served our country as a Marine. Who would you support if you were an honest, decent man? We know you aren’t but I’ll ask anyway.

 

[DualGrad]

So is the Boneman in lock step with the rightist slave masters? Again, you say nothing about him. He’s the one that started this thread with his conclusions in the first place. Now I see your agenda. You just pick on me since I fit your narrative and disdain for the so called leftists.

I read the op. At no time does he say he is not guilty or guilty.

He only states the facts & says he is contributing to the Marines defense fund. I don't think that is saying he is innocent. But you could imply that I guess, since he is contributing?

Your diatribe is a bit more direct!! But you be you.

 

[BuilderBob6]

I highly doubt Penny knew about his criminal record. What he saw was a threat and neutralized it, just as he was trained to do.
I highly doubt killing Neely was the intention. I think it was to neutralize the threat and provide a safe environment for those under threat.
Was the death warranted? I'm not sure. Neely had 44 previous arrests, including many for violent acts. What's that tell you? Was Neely a threat to society? Had his previous arrests, punishment, incarceration caused him to change his ways?

Of course Penny didn’t know about Neely’s record.

Then how does it have ANY effect on his actions? It doesn’t.

You only bring it up over and over because in your world it justifies Neely’s death.

But in the real world of law and order, in which your mind finds no quarter, his record of crimes has no effect on Penny’s actions.

If Neely had no record, what would you be saying about his death?

What DOES matter is if he was a danger to others, did he have a weapon, how long did Penny keep him in a choke hold, was Penny in fear for his life…….even when Neely was no longer moving? As the force used in proportion to the threat? All kinds of questions you don’t care about because you know what Penny didn’t……..and a repeat criminal is dead.

Btw, after how many arrests does it make it ok in your fcked up head for someone to be killed? Does it matter what they were charged with or is it all about the number? Who gets to decide if death is warranted, you?

For the record, I think Penny was trying to protect himself and the people on the subway. I applaud his bravery and his initiative to act. I think the manslaughter charge is unwarranted and politically motivated. BUT it doesn’t change the fact that a man is dead by his hand……..APPARENTLY when the threat to himself and others was gone.

 

[BNIBoiler]

I read the op. At no time does he say he is not guilty or guilty.

He only states the facts & says he is contributing to the Marines defense fund. I don't think that is saying he is innocent. But you could imply that I guess, since he is contributing?

Your diatribe is a bit more direct!! But you be you.

Dude, you are so out of touch. When someone contributes or is willing to contribute to a defense fund for someone accused of a crime, that person either thinks the accused is innocent or is hoping that he will be found innocent because you support what they did. Why would you contribute hard earned money to the accused if you don’t support what they did?

 

[DualGrad]

Dude, you are so out of touch. When someone contributes or is willing to contribute to a defense fund for someone accused of a crime, that person either thinks the accused is innocent or is hoping that he will be found innocent because you support what they did. Why would you contribute hard earned money to the accused if you don’t support what they did?

Or maybe, just maybe, he sees the crazy wacked out protesters spewing prejudged hate on TV like you did here......and thinks....hmm that's not right or fair. Let's make sure we have a fair trial first, & wishes to contribute?

I know I saw the crazies and almost contributed too.....ridiculous nut jobs, I thought, let's have a trial, not a media lynch mob.

But I know, the deceased is black & the Marine involved is white.....in your mind that is all you needed to know

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Look at all this diarrhea from whiner liberals who wouldn't dare live in a city much less take a train work everyday.
L O L
This guy should never have been forced to make this choice because homieclaus should have been in jail.

 

[bonefish1]

Of course Penny didn’t know about Neely’s record.

Then how does it have ANY effect on his actions? It doesn’t.

You only bring it up over and over because in your world it justifies Neely’s death.

But in the real world of law and order, in which your mind finds no quarter, his record of crimes has no effect on Penny’s actions.

If Neely had no record, what would you be saying about his death?

What DOES matter is if he was a danger to others, did he have a weapon, how long did Penny keep him in a choke hold, was Penny in fear for his life…….even when Neely was no longer moving? As the force used in proportion to the threat? All kinds of questions you don’t care about because you know what Penny didn’t……..and a repeat criminal is dead.

Btw, after how many arrests does it make it ok in your fcked up head for someone to be killed? Does it matter what they were charged with or is it all about the number? Who gets to decide if death is warranted, you?

For the record, I think Penny was trying to protect himself and the people on the subway. I applaud his bravery and his initiative to act. I think the manslaughter charge is unwarranted and politically motivated. BUT it doesn’t change the fact that a man is dead by his hand……..APPARENTLY when the threat to himself and others was gone.

I agree with your last paragraph about 90%. How do we know when the threat was diminished or gone? How do we know Neely didn't have a gun or knife?

While it's unfortunate that he died, I don't consider it a tragedy. How could anyone? The guys was arrested 44 f*cking times, with many of those being for violent crimes! He was literally a menace to society. Who's going to miss him? The people he terrorized on the subway? The people he mugged?

 

[bonefish1]

Dude, you are so out of touch. When someone contributes or is willing to contribute to a defense fund for someone accused of a crime, that person either thinks the accused is innocent or is hoping that he will be found innocent because you support what they did. Why would you contribute hard earned money to the accused if you don’t support what they did?

Do I support a veteran, someone who was willing to lay down their life for this country, taking out a career criminal? Of course I do.

 

[bonefish1]

Of course Penny didn’t know about Neely’s record.

Then how does it have ANY effect on his actions? It doesn’t.

You only bring it up over and over because in your world it justifies Neely’s death.

But in the real world of law and order, in which your mind finds no quarter, his record of crimes has no effect on Penny’s actions.

If Neely had no record, what would you be saying about his death?

What DOES matter is if he was a danger to others, did he have a weapon, how long did Penny keep him in a choke hold, was Penny in fear for his life…….even when Neely was no longer moving? As the force used in proportion to the threat? All kinds of questions you don’t care about because you know what Penny didn’t……..and a repeat criminal is dead.

Btw, after how many arrests does it make it ok in your fcked up head for someone to be killed? Does it matter what they were charged with or is it all about the number? Who gets to decide if death is warranted, you?

For the record, I think Penny was trying to protect himself and the people on the subway. I applaud his bravery and his initiative to act. I think the manslaughter charge is unwarranted and politically motivated. BUT it doesn’t change the fact that a man is dead by his hand……..APPARENTLY when the threat to himself and others was gone.

If a guy walks into a liquor store and pulls a knife on the clerk, is the clerk justified in shooting the guy dead?

 

[BuilderBob6]

I agree with your last paragraph about 90%. How do we know when the threat was diminished or gone? How do we know Neely didn't have a gun or knife?

While it's unfortunate that he died, I don't consider it a tragedy. How could anyone? The guys was arrested 44 f*cking times, with many of those being for violent crimes! He was literally a menace to society. Who's going to miss him? The people he terrorized on the subway? The people he mugged?

His family.

To be clear, Penny should still be charged. The lowest level of crime having to do with unintentional death…….whatever that is in NY. Criminally negligent homicide I think.
Your disregard for human life is disgusting and borderline pathological. Who are you to decide the value of another human life? Please tell me you’re not a Christian. You’re closer to a Nazi.

 

[BuilderBob6]

If a guy walks into a liquor store and pulls a knife on the clerk, is the clerk justified in shooting the guy dead?

Quite possibly. If he is attacked or the guy is close enough to attack him. But if the guy with the knife is 30 feet away or running out the door, the clerks life is not in danger. If he shoots him in the back running away, that’s against the law. It’s called nuance.

 

[GeorgeDubya]

His family.

To be clear, Penny should still be charged. The lowest level of crime having to do with unintentional death…….whatever that is in NY. Criminally negligent homicide I think.
Your disregard for human life is disgusting and borderline pathological. Who are you to decide the value of another human life? Please tell me you’re not a Christian. You’re closer to a Nazi.

His family didn’t and doesn’t give a rip about him. If they did, he wouldn’t have been homeless. And good job fitting in a “nazi” mention. Will check that one off my liberal buzzword bingo card today.

 

[BuilderBob6]

The

His family didn’t and doesn’t give a rip about him. If they did, he wouldn’t have been homeless. And good job fitting in a “nazi” mention. Will check that one off my liberal buzzword bingo card today.

I don’t know that his family didn’t care about him. Do you? You infer they didn’t because he was homeless. Are you aware that homeless people refusing help from their families or social services happens all the time? Or families have tried to help their homeless relatives only to have them go back to the street or go back to drugs? Of course not because you’re a damn simpleton.

The Nazi reference isn’t about the Jews. The Nazis murdered criminals……..and the mentally and physically disabled.

 

[bonefish1]

His family.

To be clear, Penny should still be charged. The lowest level of crime having to do with unintentional death…….whatever that is in NY. Criminally negligent homicide I think.
Your disregard for human life is disgusting and borderline pathological. Who are you to decide the value of another human life? Please tell me you’re not a Christian. You’re closer to a Nazi.

I'm a good Catholic. But, I don't believe people get an endless number of chances in life to screw up.
You have to be held accountable and eventually, when you decide punishment and incarceration isn't enough of a deterrent, then complete removal from society is warranted.

Here's a little more on Neely:

From January 2020 to August 2021, he was arrested for public lewdness after pulling down his pants and exposing himself to a female stranger, misdemeanor assault for hitting a woman in the face, and criminal contempt for violating a restraining order. All three cases were dismissed as part of his Feb. 9 plea deal.

In June 2019, Neely attacked Filemon Castillo Baltazar, 68, on the platform of the W. 4th St. Station in Greenwich Village, according to the court papers.

“Out of nowhere, he punched me in the face,” the victim told the New York Daily News. He said he’d seen Neely before looking for food in the trash bins.

One month prior, he hit a man so hard in the face that he broke his nose on the platform of the Broadway-Lafayette station – the same subway stop where he died four years later.

For both 2019 cases, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and was sentenced to six months in jail.

Outreach workers were so familiar with Neely that he was on the city’s “Top 50” list – an internal roster kept by the Department of Homeless Services of people living on the street who were most in need of help, the New York Post reported. He had cycled in and out of hospitals and jails for years.

 

[bonefish1]

Quite possibly. If he is attacked or the guy is close enough to attack him. But if the guy with the knife is 30 feet away or running out the door, the clerks life is not in danger. If he shoots him in the back running away, that’s against the law. It’s called nuance.

So again, you take the side of the criminal. Shocker. (and you wonder why I call you a lefty lib)?

 

[GeorgeDubya]

So again, you take the side of the criminal. Shocker. (and you wonder why I call you a lefty lib)?

Hillary voter, defending lifelong criminals, Ukraine flag virtue signaling avatar while telling people to “stfu”. If that’s not a lefty lib, I don’t know what is.

 

[GeorgeDubya]

The

I don’t know that his family didn’t care about him. Do you? You infer they didn’t because he was homeless. Are you aware that homeless people refusing help from their families or social services happens all the time? Or families have tried to help their homeless relatives only to have them go back to the street or go back to drugs? Of course not because you’re a damn simpleton.

The Nazi reference isn’t about the Jews. The Nazis murdered criminals……..and the mentally and physically disabled.

Lol yes, yes. You’re not a simpleton at all with your extremely nuanced takes on Trump, that meanie “authoritarian”