Has Bobinski already drank the koolaide?

[bonefish1]

I hate this quote: “We’re never going to match the largeness of Ohio State".

Is he already making excuses for trying to do more with less? Is he already putting in place the 'managing expectations' argument and to make sure they're not too high?

Look....I'm a realist and I realize that places like OSU, UM or ND have access to resources, right now, that Purdue doesn't. But why can't that change? Why can't Purdue eventually be mentioned in the same sentence with those three programs?
Up until Izzo took over MSU, few would believe that MSU would be mentioned at a perennial Final Four contender with the likes of UNC, Duke and Kentucky.

Maybe the Purdue BOD and administration simply lacks vision and a belief that Purdue can be better than above average.

 

[rgarlitz]

Maybe we're just so cynical at this point that we're prepared to construe anything that comes from upper administration as capitulation or excuse making.

Let's give the guy a chance. He oversaw a spunky basketball program at Xavier and some football success at Georgia Tech.

Growing the resource base is certainly important, but so is having a firm grasp of reality.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

I hate this quote: “We’re never going to match the largeness of Ohio State".

Is he already making excuses for trying to do more with less? Is he already putting in place the 'managing expectations' argument and to make sure they're not too high?

Look....I'm a realist and I realize that places like OSU, UM or ND have access to resources, right now, that Purdue doesn't. But why can't that change? Why can't Purdue eventually be mentioned in the same sentence with those three programs?
Up until Izzo took over MSU, few would believe that MSU would be mentioned at a perennial Final Four contender with the likes of UNC, Duke and Kentucky.

Maybe the Purdue BOD and administration simply lacks vision and a belief that Purdue can be better than above average.

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY, hope it is just being safe and that he really feels he can take us to the very upper level or we just have another loser on board, JMO!

 

[cabes4purdue]

That quote was referring to the funding aspect of the program. Not on the field goals. Saying Ohio State will have more money always thrown in for their program that Purdue simply can't match. So Purdue will have to be able to find success without that level of cash flow. Just was meaning that we can never freely spend like the Michigan, MSU, OSU programs. Which is absolutely true. But that doesn't mean that programs with less money can't achieve high level success. I don't consider it a valid excuse for Purdue to use down the line if we continue struggling. We have enough money to be a better program by far.

 

[BoilerStutz]

I think the new guy looks and sounds terrific. And he comes from places with good basketball and football teams. Indicating that a few other places have greater resources is not rolling over. It simply is acknowledging reality. The key is what does he plan to do with the resources he has. I get the sense he will restore some sanity to the athletic department and invest resources where they will generate a return.

 

[TMA62]

I like this hire. I think he has the experience and exposure to large venues that we are looking for.

Also, he does not seem to follow the 'old boys network' where he is or was and understudy to MB. (This is what I feared the most). He is an outsider which I like.

He is a baseball guy. Purdue's baseball and softball facilities are brand new and we have a new baseball coach. This leaves his attention to other things namely the football situation.

Overall, I am optimistic.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Further BS, it is his job to convince the BOT's to spend like the big boys do! Purdue can if they choose to but haven't at this point in time!

 

[TMA62]

Incorrect. Purdue was not spending $$$ on coaches up until 2011 with the Matt Painter/Mizzou incident. After that, Painter got competitive salaries for him and his assistance coaches.

The same happened with our football team in 2013 with the hiring of DH.

In other words, the money is there. We just have to find the right coaches. Prior to 2011, Purdue was paying bottom tier salaries. Not anymore.

 

[bonefish1]

That quote was referring to the funding aspect of the program. Not on the field goals. Saying Ohio State will have more money always thrown in for their program that Purdue simply can't match. So Purdue will have to be able to find success without that level of cash flow. Just was meaning that we can never freely spend like the Michigan, MSU, OSU programs. Which is absolutely true. But that doesn't mean that programs with less money can't achieve high level success. I don't consider it a valid excuse for Purdue to use down the line if we continue struggling. We have enough money to be a better program by far.

I disagree on MSU. Purdue should absolutely be able to complete equally with MSU in terms of the financial commitment to FB or BB. Until recently (last 10-15 years), MSU was nothing special. They had success in both major sports now. No reason Purdue can't do the same.

 

[buygreekbonds]

Here's his bio....

http://www.purdueexponent.org/sports/pdf_3b9db214-5e38-11e6-9467-13ed141ca652.html

 

[banshee90]

I disagree on MSU. Purdue should absolutely be able to complete equally with MSU in terms of the financial commitment to FB or BB. Until recently (last 10-15 years), MSU was nothing special. They had success in both major sports now. No reason Purdue can't do the same.

I think the goal should be to compete and get success. The major issue is pivoting that success to the National level. And Morgan Burke couldn't do that. He didn't do it with Tiller, Keady, or Painter.

 

[bonefish1]

I think the goal should be to compete and get success. The major issue is pivoting that success to the National level. And Morgan Burke couldn't do that. He didn't do it with Tiller, Keady, or Painter.

I think it started moving in that direction with Tiller. Obviously Brees brought a lot of national exposure to P, but Orton was a leading Heisman candidate for a while (hell, I believe the Orlando Sentinel even picked us as their National Champion one year) and we were in the mix nationally.
I think the same thing happened with both Tiller and Keady. They both got lazy on recruiting and once that happened, couldn't get it back. Keady was simply kept around for too long. And, maybe Tiller wasn't given enough resources by the AD to build on the success. But either way, the momentum stopped and we're paying the price years later.

 

[BoilerStutz]

Here's his bio....

http://www.purdueexponent.org/sports/pdf_3b9db214-5e38-11e6-9467-13ed141ca652.html

Great bio. Xavier's b-ball program has become much stronger than ours. He has been at quality institutions, but places that have to work to recruit. Our biggest issue is getting quality Indiana kids to commit to Purdue in our major sports.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Further BS, it is his job to convince the BOT's to spend like the big boys do! Purdue can if they choose to but haven't at this point in time!

It's not happening. OSU's Athletic Department revenues are over twice what Purdue's are currently. The board of trustees is not going to pour in money from the general fund of the university to match OSU in spending. Even if the board wanted to be that irresponsible, it wouldn't go unnoticed by state legislatures. Revenues need to be improved and some investment will be required to get there, but matching OSU in size is crazy talk.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

 

[bonefish1]

It's not happening. OSU's Athletic Department revenues are over twice what Purdue's are currently. The board of trustees is not going to pour in money from the general fund of the university to match OSU in spending. Even if the board wanted to be that irresponsible, it wouldn't go unnoticed by state legislatures. Revenues need to be improved and some investment will be required to get there, but matching OSU in size is crazy talk.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

I don't think we need to match OSU, but I'd like to see what finance support the Ath Dept gets from the University itself or whether the AD is truly self sustaining and only has access to the money it can generate.
If other schools get financial support from some general university fund or from some endowments outside the AD, and PU doesn't, then we're at a competitive disadvantage and it should be changed.

 

[moebias]

I am an Illinois alum and my son is a student athlete at GT, I think this is a very interesting and curious hire for Purdue football. MB was starting to wear out his welcome on the Flats, he really didnt do anything other than hire Pastner. GT is a very tough place to recruit to because there is no where to hide the marginal kids, so they are going to have to figure out ways of doing things differently and in football they have for the most part, they have done more with less. MB needs to turn around football at Purdue, I was not impressed with his oversight and impact on GT's football program as the success they had under him was already largely in place. Josh Whitman at Illinois saw the sinking ship that was Illinois football and acted boldly and brought in Lovie, we will see what happens, but indications are positive progress is being made and most importantly some excitement is back in a largely dead program

Purdue is arguably in worse shape than Illinois from a football perspective, as crazy as that may seem when you look at what a dumpster fire Illinois football has been over the last 3 years, MB has not shown anything that would lead you to believe he can bring in a big name coach to get Purdue back to the top half of the conference, I just dont see it. MB seems like a guy who gets basketball and is an able administrator, not a bold visionary who can take calculated risks and put pieces of the football puzzle together to return the Boilers to previous levels enjoyed under Tiller.

This seems to me a lot like the hire of Mike Thomas at Illinois a couple years back from Cincy, looked good on the surface, but when you dig deeper there are substantial questions. Thomas was an absolute disaster in Champaign, MB will not be that, but I think he will have an uphill climb at Purdue

 

[banshee90]

I am an Illinois alum and my son is a student athlete at GT, I think this is a very interesting and curious hire for Purdue football. MB was starting to wear out his welcome on the Flats, he really didnt do anything other than hire Pastner. GT is a very tough place to recruit to because there is no where to hide the marginal kids, so they are going to have to figure out ways of doing things differently and in football they have for the most part, they have done more with less. MB needs to turn around football at Purdue, I was not impressed with his oversight and impact on GT's football program as the success they had under him was already largely in place. Josh Whitman at Illinois saw the sinking ship that was Illinois football and acted boldly and brought in Lovie, we will see what happens, but indications are positive progress is being made and most importantly some excitement is back in a largely dead program

Purdue is arguably in worse shape than Illinois from a football perspective, as crazy as that may seem when you look at what a dumpster fire Illinois football has been over the last 3 years, MB has not shown anything that would lead you to believe he can bring in a big name coach to get Purdue back to the top half of the conference, I just dont see it. MB seems like a guy who gets basketball and is an able administrator, not a bold visionary who can take calculated risks and put pieces of the football puzzle together to return the Boilers to previous levels enjoyed under Tiller.

This seems to me a lot like the hire of Mike Thomas at Illinois a couple years back from Cincy, looked good on the surface, but when you dig deeper there are substantial questions. Thomas was an absolute disaster in Champaign, MB will not be that, but I think he will have an uphill climb at Purdue

I fully Disagree with your assessment of Illini being ahead of Purdue. They just hired Smith, sorry but that dude is so washed up its not even funny.

 

[moebias]

I fully Disagree with your assessment of Illini being ahead of Purdue. They just hired Smith, sorry but that dude is so washed up its not even funny.

You lost 48-14 at Home to basically an interim coach and you lost 2 years before to arguably the worst HC in College football, Tim Beckman and you are in a better place? Just curious on your logic why you think that Purdue is ahead of Illinois right now?

 

[BoilerBiker]

Just curious on your logic why you think that Purdue is ahead of Illinois right now?

I think very very few would attempt to argue this.

 

[banshee90]

You lost 48-14 at Home to basically an interim coach and you lost 2 years before to arguably the worst HC in College football, Tim Beckman and you are in a better place? Just curious on your logic why you think that Purdue is ahead of Illinois right now?

Because we didn't sign a big contract with a proven loser like Smith. We have an empty coach's office this year. We fire DH and hire whoever. I just happen to be hopeful that we will get a better coach than Lovie Smith.

 

[Statey]

Because we didn't sign a big contract with a proven loser like Smith. We have an empty coach's office this year. We fire DH and hire whoever. I just happen to be hopeful that we will get a better coach than Lovie Smith.

Correct, Purdue signed a big contract with an unproven guy who many would contend has been a big loser.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of Lovie Smith either, but the guy has extensive coaching experience. In all fairness, he can't be a complete idiot. If his name helps him recruit, that's a good chunk of the battle. And if he can get quality assistants who can get the players trained on a good system (big IF, certainly), there's no reason to think that IL can't become at least competitive in the much-less-of-a-meat-grinder West division.

 

[banshee90]

Correct, Purdue signed a big contract with an unproven guy who many would contend has been a big loser.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of Lovie Smith either, but the guy has extensive coaching experience. In all fairness, he can't be a complete idiot. If his name helps him recruit, that's a good chunk of the battle. And if he can get quality assistants who can get the players trained on a good system (big IF, certainly), there's no reason to think that IL can't become at least competitive in the much-less-of-a-meat-grinder West division.

LOL Yeah picking up an up and comer is never a sure thing. Never said it was though. I would say it probably has better odds than picking up a guy who couldn't keep his job in Tampa Bay. IDK how good Lovie Xs and Os are, but from how the Bears turn to shit so quickly I am going to take a small leap and say he can't develop talent worth a shit.